People need to stop getting annoyed that others will pay $60 for Black Ops.

[ranger19]

A lot of people are going around getting upset that people are paying full price for the latest Call of Duty installment, and it's beginning to get a little silly. There are numerous reasons why one should not complain about another's purchase (for one, if someone else enjoys a game you find extremely repetitive and stagnant, that's their right to enjoy it).

However, the problem is a fundamental contradiction. I just looked up the price of a subscription to World of Warcraft, and it looks like even the best value deals are more than $10 per month. That's $120 per year, the price of TWO Call of Duty games each year (and still more than a Call of Duty game if you buy every map pack at full price). And the people getting these subscriptions aren't getting a brand new game every year: they're playing (largely) the same worlds, the same mechanics, the same game.

There is not nearly as much outrage at those who have WoW subscriptions, and indeed several articles on the Escapist have pointed out that these people, who play WoW so much, are actually getting more hours of entertainment for their dollar than most other people. The same can be said for Call of Duty players, who put in hundreds of hours each year.

So please, calm down on the Call of Duty hate, or take the bullet and start raging at MMO players too. At the end of the day, to each his own.

 

[TerranReaper]

In b4 someone states themselves as superior to the "mindless sheep" that buys COD every year. Seriously, the elitism is just astounding, I'm starting to think this site is comparable to 4chan's /v/.

I completely agree OP, some people can't just accept the fact other people enjoy playing those games and have to think themselves as superior to those people.

 

[CitySquirrel]

To each his own, as you say, so why do you even let it bother you?

 

[SturmDolch]

Although I agree with you, your argument is flawed.

First of all, World of Warcraft is to Call of Duty as apples are to oranges. They're completely different styles of games. Call of Duty is developed once, then shipped out. Some people continue to work on patches and map packs, but otherwise, most of the team moves on to other projects.

On the other hand, World of Warcraft is in persistent development. This requires more resources and therefore more money.

Second, you are assuming that all CoD haters play World of Warcraft. This is obviously not even close to being true.

Now, I said I agree with you, even though I'm not a CoD fan. But definitely not for your ludicrously narrow reasons.

My reason is that games have to increase in price eventually. They've stayed largely the same for the past years while most other products increase in price. I believe read a PC Gamer article that stated that games should be costing around $58.

Do I want to pay more? Of course not. But it really just makes sense. You can't buy a bottle of coke for a cent anymore.

 

[DeadlyYellow]

And the people getting these subscriptions aren't getting a brand new game every year: they're playing (largely) the same worlds, the same mechanics, the same game.

A lesser man would take this and run with it.

I however, find it hard to part with $60 for any game. The Call of Duty franchise in particular carries a particular stigma of the blame for the increased gaming price. The only downside of others spending top dollar for the game, is a reinforcement of the attitude that consumers will continue to pay more for their entertainment.

But hey, I get to play it for free so what do I care?

 

[Ironic Pirate]

To each his own, as you say, so why do you even let it bother you?

Maybe you haven't been on the receiving end of it yet, but the amount of people on here (and even on GameFAQs) viewing themselves as edgy and anti-conformist for not buying a video game is simply astounding. A game which most people on earth will never buy, or possibly even hear of.


And everyone is just as much of a sheep as the next, just sometimes you have a smaller herd.

 

[CitySquirrel]

To each his own, as you say, so why do you even let it bother you?

Maybe you haven't been on the receiving end of it yet, but the amount of people on here (and even on GameFAQs) viewing themselves as edgy and anti-conformist for not buying a video game is simply astounding. A game which most people on earth will never buy, or possibly even hear of.


And everyone is just as much of a sheep as the next, just sometimes you have a smaller herd.

Yeah but my point is...why does it bother you? Who cares what idiots think or say? You don't need to defend the game... their words won't cause it to end or further content to be dispensed with. At worst they are trolling you and this thread is massive bait for every anti Black Ops troll to come rushing in and tell OP why he/she is wrong.

 

[MiracleOfSound]

I think it's pretty funny how many people seem to think they are some kind heroic anti-establishment rebels for not buying a popular game.

If people like it, it's for a reason. Let them be excited over the games they like.

 

[ranger19]

To each his own, as you say, so why do you even let it bother you?

I knew someone would ask this, and it's a valid question. Kudos for picking it up so quickly.

I'll say it doesn't bother me too much. What bothers me is the inherent inconsistency with being okay with an MMO subscription while not being okay with buying Call of Duty every year. That bothers me because it simply does not make sense; I am fine with other people's opinions and thoughts, as long as they can be justified.

So I have no problem with people who buy Call of Duty every year because they like it; they justify their purchase on their enjoyment. It is troublesome to have people who have no logical reasoning behind their words. If someone were to say "I think people who buy Call of Duty and MMOs are dumb because they're pouring money into the same thing over and over" I would have less of a problem, because that point of view makes more sense.

Does this settle your contention?

 

[Dularn]

I WISH we had the option to pay $60 in Australia.

Publishers really try to rip us off here, the regional price for Black Ops on Steam here is $90 USD.

In a store you are probably looking at between $100-$110 AUD (same price in USD).

We really get a poor deal here, Mass Effect 2 is $60 USD for Aussie steam users (300% more than the price for US Steam users).

And since there is a free trade agreement between the US and Australia they can't really blame these prices on trade costs, it's not like they are paying for shipping either seeing as digital prices are just as high. It is pure greed.

Anyway, the point of this post: Be grateful you can get it for $60. You have a pretty good deal compared to people luck myself who are screwed over by regional pricing.

 

[TomLikesGuitar]

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WOW players are much worse, but I don't think anyone is saying otherwise... Pretty much any gamer who doesn't play WOW knows it's not that great a game and is just a horrible addiction.

However, by paying 60 dollars for Black Ops, you're helping ensure that CoD falls down a similar path of releasing not-so-different content for full price.

In b4 someone states themselves as superior to the "mindless sheep" that buys COD every year. Seriously, the elitism is just astounding, I'm starting to think this site is comparable to 4chan's /v/.

I completely agree OP, some people can't just accept the fact other people enjoy playing those games and have to think themselves as superior to those people.

I don't think I'm superior. I'm not buying Black Ops for basically the same reason I didn't get L4D2. Sure, I honestly do think if NO ONE bought it, it would do wonders for the franchise, but I also just don't think it's gonna have much lasting value.

That's why I almost didn't get Reach, and I'm starting to regret that now.

To each his own, as you say, so why do you even let it bother you?

Maybe you haven't been on the receiving end of it yet, but the amount of people on here (and even on GameFAQs) viewing themselves as edgy and anti-conformist for not buying a video game is simply astounding. A game which most people on earth will never buy, or possibly even hear of.


And everyone is just as much of a sheep as the next, just sometimes you have a smaller herd.

Hey, could it be that you are just a passive aggressive dick who has to bash people who actually care about the industry which they work/play in?

Or are we all just edgy *non-conformists*?

 

[Armored Prayer]

Yes! I'm sick of all this hate around Black Ops and those who purchased it.

So what that they enjoy it and you don't, there is no real reason to ***** and insult about it. If your going to rant about it at least have a mature valid reason for your dislike, other than saying "Its repetitive, Its dull, and its overhyped." Quit being jerks about it, seriously the amount of insults and hate I've been seeing is disgusting.

Oh, and short wise ass remarks to the game are just as annoying and should stop.

 

[JourneyThroughHell]

Pretty much any gamer who doesn't play WOW knows it's not that great a game and is just a horrible addiction.

And this is where you are mistaken.

To be so narrow-minded to suggest that everyone who doesn't play WoW automatically hates it and pities everyone who plays it is astounding.

Also, as to Black Ops, by paying those sixty bucks, I'm paying for something I enjoy. You might not see how I'm getting the value out of my buck, but that's none of my business.

However, to suggest that you are somehow "better" because you "care for the industry" and nobly refuse to buy a game you find overpriced... well, not cool. At all.

 

[Julianking93]

Even though I partook in a lot of the Modern Warfare 2 hate last year, it was mainly because I was tired of hearing how great it was, not because I didn't like the game or because I'm annoyed that people payed full price for a game I don't like.

That doesn't bother me in the least. You can use your money to buy whatever you want, it's not my business.

I personally bought Black Ops yesterday at full price and I'm having a great time with it. It's my right to enjoy it and obviously a lot of other people do.

The only thing I'm pissed off about is that people online can be such meanies... seriously, I've never played it before. Stop being such dicks if I die a few times >>

 

[CitySquirrel]

To each his own, as you say, so why do you even let it bother you?

I knew someone would ask this, and it's a valid question. Kudos for picking it up so quickly.

I'll say it doesn't bother me too much. What bothers me is the inherent inconsistency with being okay with an MMO subscription while not being okay with buying Call of Duty every year. That bothers me because it simply does not make sense; I am fine with other people's opinions and thoughts, as long as they can be justified.

So I have no problem with people who buy Call of Duty every year because they like it; they justify their purchase on their enjoyment. It is troublesome to have people who have no logical reasoning behind their words. If someone were to say "I think people who buy Call of Duty and MMOs are dumb because they're pouring money into the same thing over and over" I would have less of a problem, because that point of view makes more sense.

Does this settle your contention?

No, not at all, because people who buy CoD and people who play MMOs are looking for different things. For someone who likes the casual and / or social feel of MMORPGs, it makes perfect sense to pay $120 for access to that world and all the things therein. So to them there is no inconsistency with thinking that is fine and thinking that CoD: Black Ops is a waste of money. Again, it is because it is all a matter of taste...what people are looking for in their entertainment. Taste isn't logical, so how can you demand logical consistency?

Of course, one thing that really struck me about this thread is that it is basically saying "well if we are dumb what about those MMO people, huh?" What does that even achieve? Now you are going to have anti-CoD people coming to tell you why you are wrong and MMO people coming to defend their genre... and we have an entire clusterfuck of hurt feelings. Do you really think anyone who holds such an opinion is going to read this and go "By Jove, that person is right! I'm an ass!"? Of course not, they have already made up their mind and they will see this as proof of their position.

And all this boils back down to what I said before... who cares if someone doesn't get or like what you do? Does that diminish it somehow? I like social games on facebook, and my enjoyment doesn't decrease every time someone talks about how dumb they are.

I don't know, maybe it was foolish of me to even respond to this thread, but I'm honestly not sure what you are hoping it will achieve.

 

[TomLikesGuitar]

Pretty much any gamer who doesn't play WOW knows it's not that great a game and is just a horrible addiction.

And this is where you are mistaken.

To be so narrow-minded to suggest that everyone who doesn't play WoW automatically hates it and pities everyone who plays it is astounding.

Jesus christ dude, chill.

I was just saying most people in the world realize it's a horrible addiction... if you disagree you're probably one of them.

Also, as to Black Ops, by paying those sixty bucks, I'm paying for something I enjoy. You might not see how I'm getting the value out of my buck, but that's none of my business.

However, to suggest that you are somehow "better" because you "care for the industry" and nobly refuse to buy a game you find overpriced... well, not cool. At all.

Let me start by quoting the rest of my post, which you failed to read somehow...

---"I don't think I'm superior. I'm not buying Black Ops for basically the same reason I didn't get L4D2. Sure, I honestly do think if NO ONE bought it, it would do wonders for the franchise, but I also just don't think it's gonna have much lasting value."---

Seriously though, I really don't care what some loser on the internet thinks is "cool".

What you fail to understand is that, as the mass consumer base, we shape this medium in the long run. If you're happy playing a new, slightly different, CoD game every year, then buy it. Honestly, I don't want the industry to cater to my needs; I just want it to flourish.

However, I seriously dislike many new "problems" that have developed over the years (DLC, DRM, same game/unmodified engine, etc...) and we have to realize that our choices of what we purchase, what we pirate, and what we don't give a second thought to, are the underlying reason behind said problems.

 

[Flishiz]

People have the right to be whiney bitches. I mean if they are American anyway I believe it is in the US constitution along with claiming responsibility for everything good and every victory and eating a mandatory 50 burgers a day.

Well with the obesity rates skyrocketing in this country as of late, Congress actually amended the Constitution to up the level to 60 burgers, seeing as people's stomachs have that much more room nowadays.