Permanent Character Death
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EDIT: EVERYTHING I SAID BEFORE IS HEREBY RETRACTED. THANK YOU CRAZZEE FOR KNOCKING SOME SENSE INTO ME. HERE IS MY NEW RESPONSE:
No, I don't like the idea. Sounds a bit grind-y.
No, I don't like the idea. Sounds a bit grind-y.
Not even. Playing through hours upon hours of story because of a stray grenade or whatever is lame. I'm thinking of something more akin to the Roguelike, where the games are essentially the same thing, but every time you play, every level of the dungeon/part of the world is procedurally generated, and dying means you roll a new character, with new stats, in a new world/dungeon. The thing is, while games like that exist, I want to see this brought into a more modern era, where instead of ASCII and tilesets, we have 3D, interesting maps and areas.Timelord91 said:
Also my thread got necroed, that makes me happy. <3
...Now that's just being a fucking asshole. You can make a point without being a jerk about it. Read my above post, please, it explains in a way that might make more sense to you.SideburnsPuppy said:
But, if permanent character death gives the option of reverting back to an old save, wouldn't that essentially mean the exact same thing as your game just going back to the last save anyway? I think most people get too attached to their characters to not just revert back to an old save. So, interesting in theory, but I'm not sure how it would work in practice.
This would obviously be bad, simply because chances are everyone would complain about losing their characters too easily and ruining the game for them, so many players would hate that game. Just imagine, if you screwed up in the first dungeon simply because you made a mistake and didn't know the right solution, wouldn't it completely ruin the the rest of the game for you if you had to continue all by yourself, making the rest of the game frustratingly diffucult ?
Judging by the rage I felt at having to restart form distant checkpoints after dying in Far Cry 2, I would say I strongly disagree.
Gaming is meant to be fun, and frustration and a sense of loss do not equate to fun for me.
Gaming is meant to be fun, and frustration and a sense of loss do not equate to fun for me.
The Diablo-esque "Hardcore" mode is probably the best implementation. Play hardcore and death is permanent. Don't care to take that risk? You don't have it.
Sorry. Went over what I said, realized what I said, and now I feel like an asshole. I'll be sure to edit it right away.Crazzee said:
No, no, no, no, no! If this is ever adopted by the mainstream it will mean the end of modern gaming and the backslide back to the old coin-ops of the 90's and 80's.
Glad to be of service.Crazzee said:
You seem to be missing the point of "permanent". Only a minor segment of gaimng currently employs truly unkillable main characters. The rest is just loading, or worse - autoloading. There is nothing permanent about that. As for the attachement to characters - yeah. There's this odd thing about that - people will find (sometimes very convoluted) ways to keep their character alive with out-of-game means, but they will not spend the extra effort to keep the character from dying in the first place.badgersprite said:
Judging by a game that has checkpoints is not quite valid. With a game with save-on-exit only, you go into it expecting death, expecting severe punishment for your mistakes. As for the fun aspect, Fun [http://www.dwarffortresswiki.net/index.php/Fun]. By losing irreversibly you gain general skills that should be applicable to various situations in-game (bad game design aside). By having save points, you build specific skills - shooting down boss A with weapon cache W; passing deadly trap filled corridor K with only N health.miracleofsound said:
The sense of accomplishment is clearly greater in the former case.
I don't see that happening, please provide more detail.mrhappyface said:
The MMORPG Dofus features a Heroic Server [http://www.dofus.com/en/mmorpg-game/heroic-server.html] which has permanent character death. But in return you also have positive changes compared to the normal servers such multiplied experience and drop rates, and you get all the equipment of the players you defeat.
Fuck! Partially ninja'd! (I don't suck at video games).pantsoffdanceoff said:
In all seriousness, Heavy Rain does look awesome.
I just don't care enough about a character to worry about his death and don't mind recreating a char, but dying a bajillionty times would mean I never finished a game. Baby cries, dog needs let out, something falls and I have to make sure baby hasn't escaped the crib (not old enough to do that yet, but my paranoia is well developed, it's usually the cats jumping off things) I can say with absolute certainty I would never buy a game again if very many of them had "real" deaths (I'd probably still rent a few though) Life gets in the way of my games and sometimes I don't have time to finish a fight or get somewhere safe before I have to leave the game to do some damage control; knowing that when I die I'll have a save point only a few seconds back as opposed to who knows how long makes the games fun rather than work. Also having multiple saves lets me not really worry if someone wants to play my game so they can see what a game is like after the char develops or whatever. If they kill my character, it's ok. I'd be ok with games that had a hardmode so long as my sissy-pants mode was still in there.