Pet killer in Calgary - $20,000 bounty

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nuttshell said:
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the difference is nature vs nurture - no cat watched a mouse starve over the period of a month
Yeah, I also know of people who didn't do that and I can hardly imagine them doing that in the future. Animals will be nice to you if they were brought up by a nice human. Did you ever face a wild dog or a dog whose owner wasn't exactly nice to him? I know, it is crazy what some humans are capable of and I think seeing other animals as pure and innocent is a bit untrue.
"Whose owner wasn't exactly nice to him" key words, don't you think, once again - it is the ugly human element making the difference!
 

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fowleronce said:
nuttshell said:
fowleronce said:
the difference is nature vs nurture - no cat watched a mouse starve over the period of a month
Yeah, I also know of people who didn't do that and I can hardly imagine them doing that in the future. Animals will be nice to you if they were brought up by a nice human. Did you ever face a wild dog or a dog whose owner wasn't exactly nice to him? I know, it is crazy what some humans are capable of and I think seeing other animals as pure and innocent is a bit untrue.
"Whose owner wasn't exactly nice to him" key words, don't you think, once again - it is the ugly human element making the difference!
Actually when you think about it - animals behave according to the rules of nature - unless humans have interferred - or they get rabies. Perhaps the human that did this has rabies, one can only hope!
 

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this autistic and everyone like him
You sir have crossed the line. That's an exceedingly offensive thing to say.

I'm just as outraged as anyone about this, but there's no need for offensiveness like that.

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fowleronce said:
"Whose owner wasn't exactly nice to him" key words, don't you think, once again - it is the ugly human element making the difference!
And what about the wild? You can nurture animals and nature itself isn't really nice to them either.
 

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The thing about someone being cruel to animals in this fashion is that it's unlikely the animals themselves were harmful towards the person doing this in the first place. To do this is pure sadism. That's why it's considered horrible.

If someone murders another person it's possible motivated by hate, greed, jealousy or any other number of "rational" causes. But to do this to an animal? That's just doing it because you enjoy making something suffer - that's why people are so enraged by this person's actions.

So yes, I hope he gets hit by a fucking bus.
 

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I'm not sure how we jumped into vigilante arrests and outright hitman stuff. The lnk is clearly "For information leading to a conviction in court".

While its good (if a bit depressing that its necessary) to motivate people to assist in whats hypothetically the natural good-natured thing to do regardless of money, the amount seems excessive. You could make a 20,000 dollar donation to a number of avenues to save a lot more animals on the grand scale.
 

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nuttshell said:
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"Whose owner wasn't exactly nice to him" key words, don't you think, once again - it is the ugly human element making the difference!
And what about the wild? You can nurture animals and nature itself isn't really nice to them either.
Yes but Nature is untamed - it is not vindictive or nice or not nice - it just is. Creating an unnatural situation where any living creature cannot breathe, eat, drink - remember Darwin - we are supposed to be evolved - we know better and behave worse in some cases.
 

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Yes but Nature is untamed - it is not vindictive or nice or not nice - it just is. Creating an unnatural situation where any living creature cannot breathe, eat, drink - remember Darwin - we are supposed to be evolved - we know better and behave worse in some cases.
Just because nature "is", doesn't make it any less cruel. Those aren't really unnatural situations - think of desease, drowning, a fire, an earthquake, even to be a meal for certain spiders is torture. The world, allthough beautiful, has terrible sides. Indeed, it is deeply disturbing, that many of us, who can change it to the better, instead add to the horror.
 

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nuttshell said:
fowleronce said:
Yes but Nature is untamed - it is not vindictive or nice or not nice - it just is. Creating an unnatural situation where any living creature cannot breathe, eat, drink - remember Darwin - we are supposed to be evolved - we know better and behave worse in some cases.
Just because nature "is", doesn't make it any less cruel. Those aren't really unnatural situations - think of desease, drowning, a fire, an earthquake, even to be a meal for certain spiders is torture. The world, allthough beautiful, has terrible sides. Indeed, it is deeply disturbing, that many of us, who can change it to the better, instead add to the horror.
And the situation in Calgary has "unnaturally" added to the horror.
 

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fowleronce said:
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And the situation in Calgary has "unnaturally" added to the horror.
When a dog's muzzle is taped - we cannot say "whoops there goes another rubber tree plant!"
Why do you keep quoting and replying to yourself? You're arguing with yourself?

There's an EDIT button if you want to add more to a post.
 

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And the situation in Calgary has "unnaturally" added to the horror.
Well, I think you can argue if human influence is natural or not...after all, we are a part of nature but that would be just arguing semantics. We can certainly kick the horror up a "notch".

Anyways, I think we are going in circles here...
 

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anyone with an intention to kick the horror up a notch - should be under the microscope - let the circle end.
 

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He just feels powerless in his life and can relate to the animal on a selfish level. The fantasy of "killing" the guy is the usual internet thing of someone taking out their own life problems on something seemingly unrelated. Ever fantasize about foiling a bank robbery or mugging? Same principle. He sees himself as the animal and the guy as everyone who has ever wronged him. The whole "Humans are trash, the guy must die" routine is him trying to personalize his own frustration at the worlds meaningless injustice.
Cute. If you are going to condescendingly attempt (and fail) to psychoanalyze me could you do it to my face? (i.e quote me)
 

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Well...that's...pleasant.

Christ, some people are just fucked up.

I can see it now, "I'm sorry his ribs and face are broken, officer. He was resisting citizen's arrest. I had no choice."
 

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major_chaos said:
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He just feels powerless in his life and can relate to the animal on a selfish level. The fantasy of "killing" the guy is the usual internet thing of someone taking out their own life problems on something seemingly unrelated. Ever fantasize about foiling a bank robbery or mugging? Same principle. He sees himself as the animal and the guy as everyone who has ever wronged him. The whole "Humans are trash, the guy must die" routine is him trying to personalize his own frustration at the worlds meaningless injustice.
Cute. If you are going to condescendingly attempt (and fail) to psychoanalyze me could you do it to my face? (i.e quote me)
I just meant anybody who thinks humans should die for murdering animals. You were quoted in that post I referred to, but I didn't mean you specifically. Just anyone with that opinion. It's a generalisation, it's not about anyone specific. If you choose to self apply that to yourself specifically thats your own business, it's your own beliefs.

I'm not here to psychoanalyse some post on the internet, as flattering a thought as that may be.
 

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Lono Shrugged said:
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Well, surely it's entirely possible to care about both, fellow human beings and animals alike? Within reason, of course.
Sorry, I thought I made that clear in the post. I do of course love animals and think there is little more disgusting than an animal being mistreated. As you said, perspective is needed. The idea of an animal being pure and a human being evil is a bit childish and simplistic.
Ah, I see! I do beg your pardon, I misinterpreted it. It's more or less what I think, as well.
nuttshell said:
Oh! We got a new serial killer in the making! Where's Dexter, when you need him?

To all the guys who think there's nothing worse than animal torture and that all animals are much better than humans: did you ever watch a cat playing with a mouse or a gecko? Don't get me wrong, I still find this disgusting.
Oh, Christ, yes. I've had cats my entire life, and they can be terribly mean to their prey. They would play with the terrified little field mouse until they suddenly got bored and bit its neck off. Then, they'd look at me with a terrible, blank expression of "We're just alike".

We had an old pair of robins living outside. That is, until the cat killed the missus and hid her behind the sofa. I remember looking out the window one snowy day, and just seeing the widower outside looking absolutely miserable, while the cat was asleep in the sofa, looking innocent like a lamb.

I obviously projected a lot of human characteristics on that scene, but it felt rather touching. At least they finished the poor robin off one day.
 

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As an animal love and pet owner, I hope someone finds this sick bastard and subjects them to the same tomrment they gave to these poor animals... or just shoots them in the head, I'm not picky.

Okay yes, animals aren't always so innocent either, but if a person's beloved pet has killed in such a manner, wouldn't they want revenge?
 

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I'm really against the deaths of animals. Unlike humans, they don't know why they're being tortured. Their emotions simply work differently from ours.

I'm really pissed off at this. I hope something awful happens to the criminal involving his/her anus and a large, metallic thing.