PETA for kids

[CarlMin]

Why all this hatred against PETA? Is this organization accountable for crimes I don't know about, or is it just that animal rights ethics and vegetarianism makes people furious?

Personally, I don't see anything wrong with this page. It introduces children to the possibility of a vegetarian diet, encourages them to keep an eye up for animal abuse in their community, in their school - how can this possibly be wrong?

You're like republicans ranting about how liberals brainwash children with this homosexual acceptance agenda in that you keep blaming organizations for their "political motives" aimed at the "innocent children", while completely failing to explain why these political motives should be harmful in the first place.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9ijLulwUTY

Watch.
Learn.
Be educated.

Its harmful because the group all but supports and funds eco-terrorists. Its harmful because they say that they will save animals that they will adopt, but they take them into a van and kill them.

Its harmful because the one in charge admitted "Yes, we could become a no kill shelter. But we'd have to become a non-profit organisation."

Its harmful because they shout at the top of their lungs that if you're a diabetic, you shouldn't take insulin, because it was developed via animal testing. Even though people *need* it in order to survive! Their lives are not worth the chance that an animal might have been involved in the testing! If a cure for cancer was found, if it was tested on one animal, they'd scream that anybody who ever took it is a horrific animal killer and torturer.

Then in the same breath, one of their founding members says its ok for *her* to use insulin, after all, she's saving animals! Nobody else, though. Anybody else who does it is a horrible person who should be burned at the stake.

Their entire group is just rife with hypocrites, terrorists, and in general, sick bastards.

That. Is why all the hatred against PETA.

Yeah, I would have to do a bit more research before deciding how much of that is true and not. It sounds like you've picked up a few examples of stupid statements from the organizations, and pinpointed certain flaws in their system that are being magnified by the groups opposers, and then based your opinion on that.

Maybe you simple need a more comprehensive view on the group and its work. I don't, for example, believe that every single PETA member is a hypocrite, terrorist or sick bastard. Actually, you coming with such a statement really says more about you.


Anyway, which animal rights organizations DO you support?

 

[jedizero]

Maybe you simple need a more comprehensive view on the group and its work. I don't, for example, believe that every single PETA member is a hypocrite, terrorist or sick bastard. Actually, you coming with such a statement really says more about you.

I have not said that ALL of them is a hypocrite, or terrorist, or sick bastard. I said it is rife with. Not comprised solely of. The minority in this case is sadly, the people who truly want to help animals that need to be helped.

Anyway, which animal rights organizations DO you support?

ASPCA. American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals.

What, are you part of PETA or something?

well lets see, peta wants you to stop eating animals, the nra wants everyone to be able to buy assualt rifles, which one is potentially more deadly?

PETA funds eco-terrorists.

the NRA wants everyone to be able to enjoy their second amendment rights.

 

[Worgen]

well lets see, peta wants you to stop eating animals, the nra wants everyone to be able to buy assualt rifles, which one is potentially more deadly?

Well, not that i agree with the NRA, actually i despise the NRA, but seeing how ETA gives money to people who FIREBOMB ANIMAL TESTING LABS, i'm gonna have to say PETA.

If PETA had their way, all the people in the world who have diabetes, and thus have to inject themselves with insulin would be dead right now.

They are against ANY kind of animal testing, and without animal testing, there is no bio-medical research, NO new medicine would be developed and millions of people who could be saved will die.

I repeat, I do not agree with the NRA, and i think that people who buy assault riffles for self defence are retards, but PETA is way, waaaaaaaaaay, more deadly.

oh please, the lax gun standards that the nra loves are partly responsible for all the drug crime in mexico, mexico has pretty strict gun laws but its easy for someone to just go to a gun show here and buy all sorts of weapons then ship em down there for easy killing, I think I read that more then a few assualt weapons found in cartel hands have been traced to a gun shop in houston

found the story
http://www.reuters.com/article/2009/05/29/us-crime-guns-texas-idUSTRE54S04A20090529

 

[Gilhelmi]

PETA is the Westboro Baptist Church of vegetarians. Brainwashed trolls that are best ignored.

Wow I never realized it until you said it but You are quite correct.

Thank you

 

[Arehexes]

Sort of off-topic but i'd just like to say because some eople don't make this distinction, i'm a vehetarian and I hate PETA, so when you hear someone say they're a vegetarian, don't jump to that conclusion, this annoys me to no end...

No worries here mate I only hate vegetarians when they won't let me enjoy my damned burger...also really off topic but where did you get your avatar and do they have a flutter shy one

 

[Arehexes]

Any group with a beneficiary who goes to SCHOOLCHILDREN and shows them how to make bombs (Which Rod Coronado did) is a supporter of terrorism, and said beneficiary is absolutely a terrorist.

Oh, and I can't remember the name, but a chef on the west coast received death threats to him and his wife and child because he refused to stop serving foie gras in his market. What do you call that? Mild harrassment?

Again, the reason I wouldn't consider it terrorism is because these kinds of activists generally explicitly include as part of their goals not to hurt humans. In every case where someone's actually been arrested for this that I've heard of, even Rod Coronado, they never want to hurt people (physically, that is; they seem to be fine with committing acts which will hurt people indirectly). That gives them a huge moral boost up in my opinion, and so I think they shouldn't be treated the same as, say, Al-Qaeda.

Edit: Forgot about that death threat guy, but I'm going to have to ask you to provide a link to verify the story. At any rate, I doubt he's officially affiliated with PETA.

You don't have to kill people to be a terrorist, since they teach people how to make bombs to kids, and support groups who BLOW UP research places to save animals from testing. Now no one is hurt but all the money went into that work is gone to prove their point through a violent means. That in a way is a form of terrorism, using violence to get your point across.

 

[Thundero13]

Sort of off-topic but i'd just like to say because some eople don't make this distinction, i'm a vehetarian and I hate PETA, so when you hear someone say they're a vegetarian, don't jump to that conclusion, this annoys me to no end...

No worries here mate I only hate vegetarians when they won't let me enjoy my damned burger...also really off topic but where did you get your avatar and do they have a flutter shy one

It was a site that had a load of nyan cats, I couldn't find any Fluttershy though, sorry there's a couple Rainbow Dash versions and the one Pinkie Pie but apart from that I couldn't find any, also if you're a big MLP:FiM fan would you like to join the escapist usergroup?
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/groups/view/MLP-Friendship-is-Magic
It's lots of fun, we chat about the show & stuff ^~^

 

[Arehexes]

well lets see, peta wants you to stop eating animals, the nra wants everyone to be able to buy assualt rifles, which one is potentially more deadly?

Well, not that i agree with the NRA, actually i despise the NRA, but seeing how PETA gives money to people who FIREBOMB ANIMAL TESTING LABS, i'm gonna have to say PETA.

If PETA had their way, all the people in the world who have diabetes, and thus have to inject themselves with insulin would be dead right now.

They are against ANY kind of animal testing, and without animal testing, there is no bio-medical research, NO new medicine would be developed and millions of people who could be saved will die.

I repeat, I do not agree with the NRA, and i think that people who buy assault riffles for self defence are retards, but PETA is way, waaaaaaaaaay, more deadly.

The irony is one of the heads of peta uses insulin which was either tested on or made with dogs I don't remember off the top of my head (I'm going with tested on).

 

[Jegsimmons]

I don't even trust regular vegetarians ( outside of religious ones) why should I care what these domestic terrorist say?

so you trust religious domestic terrorists then?

peta is the left wing equivalent of the nra, they are stupid but ultimately less harmful then the right wing version

No I don't .
And saying the NRA is more dangerous is an opinion (especially since they teach gun safety and don't demand you change your way of life for what they believe in, so in my opinion, saying the NRA is dangerous is unjustified in the case.)

well lets see, peta wants you to stop eating animals, the nra wants everyone to be able to buy assualt rifles, which one is potentially more deadly?

1. you can already buy assault rifles, and assault rifles (the ones owned by civilians legitimately) are almost NEVER used in a crime. same with most guns. (simple research and FBI statistics)
2. fighting for the right to have the option to own one is a lot different than making people changing their life style without option.
3. the NRA hasn't honestly done anything to be labeled as a dangerous/ extremist group. it's a legit organization that has had even members that where presidents. Just because you do not agree with the politics doesn't make them bad. After all, I fully disagree with a lot of liberal groups, but i don't hate them or make false accusations. PETA on the other hand, is known to be bat-shit crazy.

 

[Verlander]

In America, it seems like every organisation is out to brainwash first... it's like a race.

I don't like this, but if it wasn't this, then it'd be something else. I don't agree with the "stop eating them!" bit, dictating to small children what they can and cannot eat is very dodgy territory for me (when regarding perfectly healthy food that is).

Also, for a lot of people in the world, not eating meat just isn't possible, and that goes for America too.

 

[Sethzard]

They funny thing is that if humans didn't eat a lot of the animals we do then they would die out as there would be nothing to protect them.

Protect them from what though?

Natural predators. A lot of animals e.g. cows probably would have died out as they have little in the way of defense mechanisms.

 

[Beliyal]

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Its brainwashing because of how they go about spreading their message. Its not about "Hey, if you're interested in this check this out!" its "do it this way or you're a horrible animal killer." Brainwashing by its very nature removes liberties from its victims by removing their freedom of choice. So, its in how the message is relayed not the message itself that causes harm.

Yes, but they're not spreading it in kindergartens, schools and streets (though, there are parades where they make even ME feel bad for still eating eggs and cheese), or through law and media (let's ignore "I'd rather go naked than wear fur" advertising posters). The website is not intrusive (before you're already on it) and it's not making anyone go there. Basically, kids that are not interested in this and do not specifically search for PETA or information on vegetarianism or do not have internet access are not going to come across the site. That's why I wouldn't really call it "brainwashing"; it doesn't really force anyone to listen to it. Anyone who didn't specifically search for it in the first place. Brainwashing would be something that systematically and constantly pushes itself into media and public life, aggressively advertises outside of its medium and is generally being annoying and everywhere. However, I agree that their presentation of the issue is too inconsiderate and aims too strong messages to little kids. It's more sensationalism and shock-factor than brainwashing. I bet some kids that stumbled upon the site were freaked out by the info.

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They funny thing is that if humans didn't eat a lot of the animals we do then they would die out as there would be nothing to protect them.

Protect them from what though?

Natural predators. A lot of animals e.g. cows probably would have died out as they have little in the way of defense mechanisms.

Well, cattle was domesticated around 10,000 years ago, approximately. But cattle existed for at least 15,000 additional years (which is almost double the time of the existence of our entire civilization) and survived well without our help. Not to mention that the ancestors of cattle go back many million years and pre-date even humans. There [http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/10/091019172632.htm].

Pairing a new approach to prepare ancient DNA with a new scientific technique developed specifically to genotype a cow, an MU animal scientist, along with a team of international researchers, created a very accurate and widespread "family tree" for cows and other ruminants, going back as far as 29 million years.

 

[JochemDude]

P - People
E - Eat
T - Tasty
A - Animals

I know I'm not supposed to, but this is what I was about to post. Long story short 'This'

 

[jedizero]

Yes, but they're not spreading it in kindergartens, schools and streets

http://www.slashfood.com/2009/08/07/peta-unhappy-meals-targeting-kids/

Quoting from the article.

"McDonald's markets its food to children by packaging it in brightly colored boxes with toys," Lindsay Rajt, a spokeswoman for PETA, tells Slashfood. "But most kids really love animals, and if they knew that McDonald's suppliers were breaking the wings and legs of gentle animals like chickens, I think that you'd have to drag kids into McDonald's kicking and screaming."

 

[Cheesus333]

And don't forget to recruit your classmates to help you tackle these issues!

Educate others! Use animal issues as topics for all your school projects. From book reports to posters in art class - we've got you covered.

"Hey kids! While you're being helplessly indoctrinated, don't forget to annoy your friends and alienate the people who love you!"

I like the ideals behind PETA (animals deserve better treatment, etc.) but I don't like what they do and I don't like how they do it. 'Recruiting' children is just another in a long line of head-shakingly unpleasant acts on their part.

 

[jedizero]

Uh, great. Nicely done with the pun too. Still doesn't begin to tell me what the issue people are having is. I do not understand what anyones problem with PETA is. I do not know what issue there is to have with them, other than the idea that animals, like you an me, have rights. Could you maybe clarify your statement, and by clarify I mean add some actual information?

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.294229-PETA-for-kids?page=4#11647716