PETA weighs in on Redskins debate

[Mersadeon]

I could SWEAR I heard that exact joke the logo makes a few days ago. I just can't remember where.

Also, needless to say... PETA. Come on. Stop existing. Please.

I feel bad for all those people who just don't know the truth about these guys. I have met so many who, when asked, said "PETA? Oh those with the naked chicks on the posters! Yeah, they are, like, in favour of saving animals, right? Those must be good guys." Often enough, I am not even believed when I talk about what heinous crimes they've committed, I get looked at like a conspiracy nut who said Greenpeace is a conspiracy to plant trees on the moon.

EDIT: It's even worse with Coca Cola. Nobody wants to believe what they finance by drinking that stuff. Grargh.

 

[Thaluikhain]

I feel bad for all those people who just don't know the truth about these guys. I have met so many who, when asked, said "PETA? Oh those with the naked chicks on the posters! Yeah, they are, like, in favour of saving animals, right? Those must be good guys." Often enough, I am not even believed when I talk about what heinous crimes they've committed, I get looked at like a conspiracy nut who said Greenpeace is a conspiracy to plant trees on the moon.

Oh yeah, second that. Well, less about the creepy sexual ads they have going, if that's your only knowledge of them you'd probably be worried just by that.

But by the nominal caring about animals stuff...well, that's why they called themselves PETA, they intentional didn't stick the word "hypocrite" in there. Similarly, in the R&P forum, someone said they voted for the Australian party "Family First", because that seemed like a reasonable name for a party, not realising they were bigots...though I'd argue that the name is a bit of a giveaway, it's the sort of things bigots call themselves to avoid looking like bigots.

 

[Mersadeon]

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[...] Similarly, in the R&P forum, someone said they voted for the Australian party "Family First", because that seemed like a reasonable name for a party, not realising they were bigots...though I'd argue that the name is a bit of a giveaway, it's the sort of things bigots call themselves to avoid looking like bigots.

Not to derail this discussion too much (although it's not much of a discussion, I don't think anyone here is going to argue in favour of PETA), but that pisses me off when political parties and NGO's choose that kind of name. We have "Alternative für Deutschland" - "Alternative for Germany" over here, who are quite blatantly anti-multicultural.
In fact, small racist parties are incredibly annoying here. They aren't going to get any votes anyway, but they dare to throw leaflets into your box on christmas day, and then don't sign it because they're chickens. Those really love to use "innocent" names, so as to not be associated with Nazis.

 

[Brian Tams]

That said, PETA still ranks as one of my top 5 most hated organizations.

Whoa, that's pretty impressive. They're beating out a huge number of terrorist organisations, secret-police forces, and despotic parties for that spot!

Fun fact. PETA used to be #1 on the United States Domestic Terrorist List (this was back when they were bombing animal testing labs).

 

[Abomination]

Is there already a team called the "Braves"? Figured that'd be a fairly respectful and thematically constant name to call the team.

Not in the NFL, but there seems to be an unusual aversion to naming a professional team after another one from a different league, and the MLB has already taken the Braves. Though this is sort of a joke, it is odd how you have Detroit Tigers (MLB) and Cincinnati Bengals (NFL) rather than both being Tigers, or the Chicago Bears (NFL) and Memphis Grizzlies (NBA) rather than both being named the same. Even seemingly common names, such as Lions, can't seem to be repeated among the different leagues. There is the Florida Panthers (NHL) and Carolina Panthers (NFL), so it isn't entirely unheard of, but it does seem to be more rare than you'd expect.

OT: I wouldn't mind seeing that as the Redskins logo. Then again, I have an unusual hatred for the Redskins regardless of not being particularly fond of any of their rivals (I'm OK with the Giants and Eagles, but I loathe the Cowboys).

If not the "Braves" then perhaps call themselves the name of whatever native american tribe that occupied the region called their elite warrior caste at the time?

The solution to the problem is honestly very simple.

What about the New Zealand All Blacks and All Whites Rugby and Football teams? Will those names need to be changed?

The name they are given is because that's the colour of their jerseys and uniforms.

The term "redskin" unfortunately does have no recourse because the icon on their logo is also a fucking stereotypical native american caricature.

 

[Absolutionis]

PETA does these sorts of stunts in order to get your attention. They got your attention and they got you to share a link on your social networking sites. Stop furthering their agenda.

Gamers, Sports Fans, and Celebrity Watchers are the demographics most likely to share PETA's stunts with their friends. That's why they constantly target them.

Stop helping PETA.

 

[Worgen]

Peta is very good at one thing, making its name known, and in the charity racket, that's all that matters.

 

[MCerberus]

Peta is very good at one thing, making its name known, and in the charity racket, that's all that matters.

The worst part is that each penny gone towards... that group... is one that doesn't go towards the ASPCA(Which some people have hangups on, I don't) or local shelters. Each time you say the name of... that group... money gets funneled somewhere stupid.

That's right, they're a net-negative for animals.

 

[Silvanus]

Well, remember that list of the US's most hated companies, and how a games developer got first or something?

Heh, the number one spot? I'll have to look into that.

Someone bombs a makeup factory, they shouldn't be given an attorney by an organisation that is donated by people who wouldn't donate towards illegal practices like that.

Not debating that point-- I agree. There are still hundreds upon hundreds of organisations that should be rated higher on any rational "most hated" list. I don't think the ire directed towards PETA is entirely motivated by principle, that's my point.

Fun fact. PETA used to be #1 on the United States Domestic Terrorist List (this was back when they were bombing animal testing labs).

I'm not really knowledgeable about the competition they were facing, I'm afraid, but it's still very interesting.

 

[Scentedwiind]

So why are they talking about this, I don't believe it appropriate for an animal rights organization to chime in for the abolishing of a stereotypical caricature. One could make the rather dark assumption that they are assuming native Americans are animals, an all too common part of the caricature that implies their superiority. The whole thing just seems to open the possibilities for rather unpleasant conclusions. I for one am horrified at the implications and confused as to why they would branch out into the issue.

 

[Psychobabble]

Yep, just like Madonna these guys are fighting as hard as they can to keep people from forgetting about them.

 

[Lightknight]

Someone bombs a makeup factory, they shouldn't be given an attorney by an organisation that is donated by people who wouldn't donate towards illegal practices like that.

Not debating that point-- I agree. There are still hundreds upon hundreds of organisations that should be rated higher on any rational "most hated" list. I don't think the ire directed towards PETA is entirely motivated by principle, that's my point.

There aren't really that many legitimate (legally operating in the open) organizations that we know supports the wellbeing of animals over humans. If we're including criminal organizations then yeah, i'm sure we can do better. But as far as a legal organisation, Peta gets one of my votes easily. Humans being speciest over mankind is... odd.

 

[TheMigrantSoldier]

That said, PETA still ranks as one of my top 5 most hated organizations.

Whoa, that's pretty impressive. They're beating out a huge number of terrorist organisations, secret-police forces, and despotic parties for that spot!

Well, remember that list of the US's most hated companies, and how a games developer got first or something?

It was EA. It somehow beat out Bank of America for the spot. It was a Consumerist contest, if I recall correctly.

 

[Silvanus]

There aren't really that many legitimate (legally operating in the open) organizations that we know supports the wellbeing of animals over humans. If we're including criminal organizations then yeah, i'm sure we can do better. But as far as a legal organisation, Peta gets one of my votes easily. Humans being speciest over mankind is... odd.

What about political parties & secret police forces? They aren't criminal organisations.

You'd have to add many more stipulations than that to make PETA rank very high.

 

[Silvanus]

Well, remember that list of the US's most hated companies, and how a games developer got first or something?

Ohhh! This [http://www.dorkly.com/article/51363/eas-reponse-to-being-named-the-worst-company-in-america]! I feel quite embarrassed that I'd genuinely forgotten all about that, now.

EDIT: Damnit, I've gone and posted again, when the last post was mine too. Sorry. Won't happen again.

 

[Redlin5_v1legacy]

Oh PETA, never change.

For those who say they aren't serious, its PETA, they don't realize we don't take them seriously.

That does require them to be more self aware of their surroundings and how human beings react to idiocy. So impossible really.

 

[Lightknight]

There aren't really that many legitimate (legally operating in the open) organizations that we know supports the wellbeing of animals over humans. If we're including criminal organizations then yeah, i'm sure we can do better. But as far as a legal organisation, Peta gets one of my votes easily. Humans being speciest over mankind is... odd.

What about political parties & secret police forces? They aren't criminal organisations.

You'd have to add many more stipulations than that to make PETA rank very high.

I am displeased with political parties who clearly put the wealthy backers above their actual constituents and I'm not aware of secret police forces, perhaps that's why they're named thus.

You're really just saying that there's more to have on the list. I didn't say PETA was at the top of my list. That was someone else. I don't really number organizations on some arbitrary scale. All that matters to me is that PETA is on my shit list for its many offerings of support for people who actively harm or endanger human lives to save or even sometimes without saving non-sentient beings.

 

[Silvanus]

I am displeased with political parties who clearly put the wealthy backers above their actual constituents and I'm not aware of secret police forces, perhaps that's why they're named thus.

You're really just saying that there's more to have on the list. I didn't say PETA was at the top of my list. That was someone else. I don't really number organizations on some arbitrary scale. All that matters to me is that PETA is on my shit list for its many offerings of support for people who actively harm or endanger human lives to save or even sometimes without saving non-sentient beings.

I originally wrote in response to this post [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.830977-PETA-weighs-in-on-Redskins-debate#20277853] by Eggsnham.

I am not trying to defend PETA. That's simply not what I was doing. My point was that if PETA is truly in Eggsnham's top five worst organisations, then that's not a very rational list at all. That was the point I was making, to which you replied, saying how awful they were, etc etc. If you weren't disagreeing with the point I was making, then you were replying to the wrong person. I don't need to read PETA's rap sheet.


As for political parties, there are also those who actively murder their constituents.

 

[Pyramid Head]

I need to correct you on something. PETA is not an animal rights group, it's a mix of stupid assholes and people who think all domesticated animals should die.

 

[Something Amyss]

It is a little clever.

A little too clever to have come from PETA, if you know what I mean....