PETITION: Continue to sell Grand Theft Auto 5 in Australia

[Something Amyss]

So getting the creator of NYS fired,recently harassing a woman off of twitter who was on their side to begin with,making deranged rants about wishing the opposition would be mass murdered are all made up?I couldn't make that stuff up even if I tried.

You're not exactly demonstrating any of your claims. Except, of course, these weren't the ones I was referring to, which is dishonest in and of itself. It's bait and switch. You go from things like "Gamers are dead proves that these people think gamers are all white males" to "X was fired over Y."

Of course, even that one was disingenuous, as I looked it up. There's no specific proof about the firing I can find, it's merely presumed some "SJW" did it, etc. I sort of wonder how many of your other claims have as little truth to them. I'm betting all of them, but I wouldn't preclude the notion that GG stumbled on to a truthful one by blind chance.

Look, this is part of the problem. You're spouting a bunch of things taken as fact directly from GG and apparently not even bothering to fact check them,. then claiming you're some sort of middle ground. You just told me the equivalent of "fire can't melt steel" and you expect me to think something, anything other than this is apologetics for GG. Best case scenario? You're literally the worst skeptic ever.

(Sighs)...Look,let's rewind and start over here.I apologize for unknowingly misconstruing anything you said,I enjoyed having this conversation with you despite having several disagreements.

Just just fucking did it. IN THIS POST. How can I ever take you seriously? Why should I?

 

[Something Amyss]

What's your problem?

I'm trying to be civil here.

Wait, what?

What's your problem?

I'm trying to be civil here.

No, those still don't match up.

I just admitted I was wrong.

You didn't. You just doubled down on bullshit. Did you forget the part where I called you on claims you made in that post?

So getting the creator of NYS fired,recently harassing a woman off of twitter who was on their side to begin with,making deranged rants about wishing the opposition would be mass murdered are all made up?I couldn't make that stuff up even if I tried.

You then apologised for "unknowingly" misconstruing things I said, even as you did it again.

This goes right back to the question of "why would I possibly believe you?"

Imagine if someone said "I'm if I insulted your mother." They then went on to insult your mother immediately afterwards. Would you believe them? Would you trust that they intended anything but being insulting? Don't try to play this up as some sort of persecution, either. You have been repeatedly factually incorrect, and persist in it even as you claim both neutrality and contrition. You twisted my words even as you claimed an apology, and you're still making false claims last I knew.

I really think Loonyyyy had the right idea.

But I will repeat myself:

Look, this is part of the problem. You're spouting a bunch of things taken as fact directly from GG and apparently not even bothering to fact check them,. then claiming you're some sort of middle ground. You just told me the equivalent of "fire can't melt steel" and you expect me to think something, anything other than this is apologetics for GG. Best case scenario? You're literally the worst skeptic ever.

So I'm not even sure why you wouldn't know what "my" problem is. But if you need things even more explicit, don't say false things and then complain when you're called on them.

 

[Loonyyy]

Indeed, though I can't help but think the overlap between "concerned about game sales" and "teenagers or younger playing M-rated titles" is pretty big. I don't have any numbers on that, as it's just a guess, but still.

That doesn't seem too huge an assumption. I've spent enough time in multiplayer to feel that there are way too many parents out there letting manshoots raise their children.

I forget what they said on the topic, but didn't they actually work with Microsoft to brainstorm ideas or something after that episode? Doesn't seem to have worked, but Microsoft seems to have no fucks to give. I always love getting repeatedly paired off with people I set to "avoid."

I didn't see the followup. I personally like their suggestions about automatically muting people who are muted at a certain rate, and working to implement moderation, and strategies for guiding the flow of communication. Like, obviously you shouldn't be able to send rape threats straight to another user on xBox live just because they're on the system.

I saw on Rap Critic's Facebook people arguing over the fact that the kid should have used "common sense." It's really sad that a 12 year old black kid needs to employ more common sense than a grown-ass white person. But evil still, they pulled up right next to the kid and opened fire--a far cry from the claim that he reached for his gun after repeatedly being told to stop or whatever. It doesn't look like they even gave him a chance to be a threat.

It's just really fucking sad.

No! That's just what they want, fool! Islam is already taking over Europe! By 2020, 21584793468% of Europe will be Muslims!

A tangent, but I really love the work the Santanists are doing over here. Challenging the Ten Commandments statue, putting up a depiction of an Angel being tossed into Hell, etc.

I love that. I saw the statue of Baphomet on here, and it was so damn funny. I want monsters and demons in all of our government buildings. Satanic monks in the place of chaplains
"I'm having trouble with puberty, I'm bleeding"
"That's exactly what Satan wants you to do"

"This kid's picking on me"
"Cut his throat and use his blood to enslave his soul for all time"

"I was told to ask you about the birds and the bees?"
"I'd rather talk about the goats."

Can't be worse than the support system in the schools I went to.

I don't know, the only stances I've seen from her repeatedly are on veganism, feminism, and Israel. She's a rabid zionist who thinks that abusing animals is worse than abusing Palestinians and she takes the same approach to feminism as homophobes take to gays--how am I suppose dto explain THAT to my kids? And considering she's ripped her shirt off and thrust her tits into the camera on TBBT, I think maybe she should start with her own presentation of women if she's going to complain.

Why do people have to disappoint me? I hadn't seen any of this, and now I am sad. I'd seen relatively harmless stuff about vegetarian/vegan cooking, and fairly benign feminism stuff crop up on Facebook once or twice.

It makes me wonder, though, if she's so concerned about explaining these things to her boys, how exactly she explained mommy getting her tatas out on a show that now averages 20 million viewers in prime time.

Mommy got bills to pay kids. Selling out's easy.

Sadly, I've seen that first hand. According to one poster, I have personally made Ubisoft immune to criticism. Even as I was criticising Ubisoft. I am totally for Ubisoft getting away with it, too!

...even though I've been vocally against their practices, don't support pre-orders or broken products, and don't buy any game that requires uPlay.

I haven't gone that far, but my brother's impression of Far Cry 4 is it's incredibly broken. I'm saving money atm, so I'm not picking it up until it's down in price, fixed, and comes with the damn sliced off DLC. I'll be waiting a while.

And then people point at positive things that are largely a byproduct and say "see? It's a good organisation!" Except even the KKK adopts highways. That doesn't make them good people, or their cause good. I've known terrible people who give to charity or donate time. It doesn't make them good people, it just means there's more to them than being terrible people.

Even Hitler had a dog. And then he killed it, because Hitler was a dick.

It's still often fairly hard to get feminism, at least in this country, to care about women of colour. It's not just Jezebel. And that's worth calling out and fighting over.

It's sad, and more than a little pathetic. They had some extra special stuff on how misogynistic gay men are(Not that they can't be. The article was just damn terrible. "Gay Male Privilege". Because we all know that gay people have privilege over straight people, and that gay men definitely aren't exercising regular old male privilege. And of course, when it gets to the comments, it's "mansplaining".). Including the terrible misogyny of not being favoured for service in a gay bar. Who knew that they suffered this hardship? Oh the huge-manateeeeeeeeeeeeeee.

Then of course, there's everything about how they handle race, like employing Hugo Schwyzer, to their strange coverage of a few things around that time, which got them some pretty heavy shit.

My pet issue is batboy in games journalism. #istandwithbatboy

My pet issue is making comics more realistic for cynical audiences, and avoiding anything human. #ISTANDWITHTHEBATMAN. And also chainsmoking cigarettes whilst listening to Death Metal, because Christian Bale needs it for his bat-voice.

I try not to use the "ignore" function, but there are certainly some people where I do, and probably more where I should. On the one hand, I don't like shutting out contrary points of view. On the other, Gamergate has left me disgusted with a lot of people who suddenly seem to have no problem saying and doing all sorts of outrageous crap in the name of "ethics in journalism." I think I've used the word "misrepresenting" here more in the last 3-4 months than I have in the rest of my time on the internet combined. And I've been told I stand for things like rape, child abuse, homophobia, and racism. I probably wouldn't even care except it's coming from the same people who insist that that's what "we" do.

There are some people who I'm never going to agree with, and I'm going to be tempted to respond when I see their brand of comment, and it's just not good for anyone. There's also some people who just aren't worth talking to, because it's so much effort going over the same stuff, and then it goes around again. I ended up with that rigmarole happening in this very thread.

There's also some views that are just plain toxic, but they at least keep you on your toes. Extra points go to the "Drunk Responsibility" thread. That's some classy fun. I think that even if you just ignore some people, you can still find new and alternate points of view, and there's still the vast majority of the site posting.

One of the pictures that always comes up of Milo looks like he's Cosplaying the Eleventh Doctor, from the suit to the boo tie to the hair.

Eh, I'm not sure which one I'd like the least. The eleventh doctor represents everything I hate about Moffat killing something I once loved dearly. I feel bad for poor Matt Smith, just because I feel disgusted just at the sight of him. And of course, Milo is a terrible human being, but I never liked him or Breitbart.

But yeah, the way GG latched onto Milo and Breitbart kind of demonstrates that this isn't about ethics. Conveniently, bot hparties appear to have a problem with women, though. I'm sure this is totally unrelated.

Don't you understand. They're liberal and left leaning, and that means this is too, and they're definitely not misogynists #TotallyYourShield.

So you hoped that someone who harmed another would experience the same thing?

Eh, yes and no. I more said that it was what I'd wish on him, but it's not like my wishes do shit. It was in a response to the allegation that fucking with a bully of that order is somehow "Petty" or "Immature". Essentially, I was leaning towards anything that they get short of being abused about their appearance until it contributes to an eating disorder is getting off easy. Which it is. Plus, there's a school of thought that teaching people to be less dickish so they don't victimise others is serving society in general, but some people rather ignore things and justify letting it slide.

You monster. The SJC is so going to sanction you.

With this and the mansplaining, I'm not sure how the PC police haven't found me.

Honestly, I'm not sure I'd wish that on anyone, but I'm not going to call you out on it because I'm pretty sure I get where you're coming from. As someone with anxiety disorders and other issues, I sometimes wonder how people would handle such things themselves, since they mock or berate or downplay. I sort of wish they could experience it, but the thing is, I don't want them to.

Eh, I don't really wish that on anyone seriously. In the abstract, I wish people who bullied people like that would experience it, but it's not really a solid or concerted effort. The people who fucked with me I don't wish an illness on. I wish I had 5 minutes alone with them, without any rules. Funny how people get cowardly all of a sudden when puberty turns you into a giant. I was standing behind one of my tormentors in a fast food place the other day with a friend. This guy had gone douchebag bodybuilder, but he took one look at us and then kept his head to the front, because suddenly I'm a foot taller than him, and look like a goddamn crazy, and my buddy's even bigger. Unfortunately, society demands that I hold my temper. Shame it didn't do the same to them.

The person who fucked me up the most is coping with their own mental illness, and it was their unresolved issues that made them so dangerous. Tangentially related, the film "The Babadook" is awesome.

On a similar note, I often wonder why black people don't flip more tables in this country. And not just black people, but race keeps coming up, and specifically blacks, of late. And when you have a bunch of white, middle class people insisting that there's no problem, I wonder how they'd react if they or their loved ones were treated this way.

Probably because they can't hold their hands up while flipping tables. I think that's the big issue though. White people trust the police. They can't comprehend the attitude towards the police that black people have. Unfortunately, their trust is abused, and the role of the police as heroes and the idea of the police officer (Particularly his representation in media) ends up being pressed onto the police, regardless of whether they deserve it. Being a cop is a damn difficult job, and there's a whole bunch of people with that job who just can't do it. It's like a fucking engineer who refuses to do ODEs, or carry a calculator.

The Boondocks have a few episodes about that, specifically Season 2 Episode 3: Thank You for Not Snitching. Some more goodness.

At least the LCR actually aren't just a subset of the Republicans, and they're willing to disagree with them, and make their voice heard to influence the course of their party. At least from where I sit, they're kind of like what the Libertarian fringe has been trying to position themselves as, more consistent in the application of their beliefs.

Though it still baffles me when they do things like fight same sex marriage.[/quote]
I wasn't aware of that one. My knowledge is pretty abbreviated on them, mostly wikipedia level stuff. I was under the impression the opposed homophobic legislation and policy, and opposed certain candidates based on this. Of course, they're still with the Republican party, so that's kind of extremely limiting. I just can't see modern American Republicanism as being that important, but then again, I think their fiscal policy and their social policy fucking sucks, but that's cause I'm a damn lefty socialist punk type.

Unless you really need to know what resolutions are available in a game, I'm not sure why he'd do it for anyone. He's also been very big on corporate apologetics when the issues don't directly conflict with his own profits or hobbies. I mean, I've watched quite a bit of what he has to say. I tend to watch people I disagree with, to the point I think YouTube thinks I'm a Gamergater, a fundamentalist Christian, and probably some other stuff. My recs list on YouTube includes two TAA videos (three, if you include a Drunken Peasants vid), multiple Thunderf00t videos (all dealing with Anita), one more anti-Anita video, and three videos that claim to prove God in some way. It also has a couple things I might actually enjoy, but jeeeeeeeze I am flooded with people angry about things I support. RTU's been showing up there, too, but I was a subscriber until recently.

You have a much stronger stomach than I. I think I finished one of TF00T's Anita videos. "Woman, you are a liar without shame" he says on Hitman, a game he never played, whilst missing the point of the episode that's in the fucking title "Women as Background Decoration". I can't watch TAA anymore, just him coming up makes me sick, it's just too much stupid, and certainty, and wallowing in his own smugness at the celebrity he's attained. And the worst is to think that I could have ended up anything like that.

I honestly think TB went where the money was. I think Thunderf00t did, too. Granted, I think one of those guys is significantly less of a dick than the other, but still.

Agreed. Although at least Tf00t already had his feminism hate boner because of his FTB thing. [/quote]

One trait of a cult is the rejection of outsiders and the alienation of people who still cling to the ways of outsiders. And I've noticed not only is basically "everyone who's not with us" considered against GG, but also when you go to sites with friends lists, you'll see the vocal GG folks tend not to have many/any people on their lists outside of other vocal GG folks.

This trend appears to be a one-way street.

Eh, I've been noticing the August/September 2014 join dates a lot, and it's no suprise they make friends there. It's just the language is so damn cultish and isolated. Anti-GG, AGGRos "GTP" and all sorts of shit. When they stagger out into the other threads, they make no damn sense. Then again, similar accusations could be levelled at me, most of my friends list are pretty anti, barring WittyNameHere. I mean, most of them were there before, and they're there because they're people I find interesting and likeable, which is a biased sample, but it could happen.

The isolationism and drawing of lines is definitely disturbing. Apparently I'm part of some Anti-GG, which is so aggravating to drive people Anti-Anti-GG, and my "side" is as bad as the other, because some people have opposed GG by doxxing, harrassing and being dickheads. Of course, the moment I start calling myself a member of whatever group it is they're trying to build, they may have a point.

Crap, you're right. It was Harris. yers has been fairly anti-Muslim, though, so I think that's why I conflated them.

Meyers is just toxic. I'm not interested in seeing this sort of shit http://davegodfrey.dreamwidth.org/29860.html?thread=28836&format=light . Because of course, Meyers doesn't believe anything which is wrong, and because it really matters a whole lot if someone chooses to continue leaving space for a belief in god in their life. I am grateful for one thing though, and the stupid generated this response. http://www.shamusyoung.com/twentysidedtale/?p=923 Which I shall forever regard as priceless, until I get my copy of the Witch Watch signed personally, because that book is awesome.

I can't say that his regular posting is much better. Angry snippets minus any degree of real insight. Like a lot of FTB actually, it feels like that site is an aggregator for abbreviated, crappy posts, and a lot of just shitposts and announcements. I can't get anything out of that thing, even when I don't hate the writer.

I really enjoy TBS. I'm actually subscribed to him. About half of my subscriptions come from Steve Shives' recommendations, who himself deserves more attention. OF course, he recently released a video mocking Gamergate, so I'm pretty sure the attention he gets will be negative.

Steve Shives is also a great guy. His lists are hilarious. TBS needs to post more, I was just getting into him when he went dark. His WLC saga was epic, and he's very rigorous.

I gave him a try back when he was also Distressed Watcher on TGWTG. I'd had enough well before he told someone to drown in a pool of rape semen, though.

I heard about that after the fact. He doesn't exactly keep people posted on the shitty stuff, unless he's excusing it because he's a shit, or because he's a pervert. Never saw him on TGWTG, but I never really did that, watched Critic and Chick on YT, followed Dan Olsen to chezapocalypse, because Foldy is amazing. I love that guy, he's awesome.

Probably for the best I missed it. Or at least don't recognise it.

Something about how "Naked Celebrities new social statement" (Abusing the hell out of quotes, I should probably square bracket everything within). It ended badly.

So is this Aussie blackface?

You say that, but "Hey Hey it's Saturday" already came back, and ran blackface gags. Ah Australia. Of course, we have our own black people, except we don't much like talking about the Aboriginal Australians, because we kind of screwed them massively, and people might think we were less easygoing if they realised how terribly racist we are.

 

[Loonyyy]

If you lie to people, you can convince them to support you, and that's been a big thing with this GG fiasco.

Hey man, I'm #notyourshield

But I thought you were my sword snark?

Say, Lena Dunham

Please don't.

Lena Dunham. Lena Dunham. LENA DUNHAM. OH GOD MY EYES ARE BLEEDING, WHAT'S SHE DOING IN THE MONITOR?

I didn't even know who she was until her book came out and people were flipping out over it. She seems like an entitled shithead, but yeah, that doesn't mean everyone in her circles is bad.

She's terrible. I actually do extend it to her circle a bit actually, just not to people with surface similarities. Judd Apatow said some really stupid shit in defense of her stupid show and its stupid race problem, and I'd definitely side-eye her collaborators. I just wouldn't extend it so far as people who share a superficially similar belief think like she does. I mean, she's ostensibly progressive, just really fucking racist about it.

 

[Bizzaro Stormy]

(Don't say it. Don't say it. Don't get involved. Oh why not?) So this whole thing just reminds me of people whining for years about Wal-Mart only selling CD's with cleaned up lyrics. I'm not saying who's right and wrong, but if everyone would stop and think back on their opinions of that particular nontroversy it might help bring this all into perspective.

 

[Something Amyss]

That doesn't seem too huge an assumption. I've spent enough time in multiplayer to feel that there are way too many parents out there letting manshoots raise their children.

Well, they can't let TV do it. Too many gays and stuff.

I didn't see the followup. I personally like their suggestions about automatically muting people who are muted at a certain rate, and working to implement moderation, and strategies for guiding the flow of communication. Like, obviously you shouldn't be able to send rape threats straight to another user on xBox live just because they're on the system.

It'd be nice if they took their own terms a little more seriously, anyway. People don't get suspended a lot of the time for violating their terms. I remember Xbone was going to have some new dynamic filtering system and....nobody I know thinks it worked. I can't judge, because I don't have an Xbone. However, I remember that sort of claims from the beginning of the 360 generation, and I still get repeat visits from people I put on avoid.

It's just really fucking sad.

It also amazes me how tone deaf a bunch of white guys can be on the page of a black personality. A while after I posted this, I saw someone post one of those "dat nigga" memes on one of his comments, which I think was about the New York case. God help me, so many black people have been assaulted or killed by the cops of late I'm losing track of which was which!

I love that. I saw the statue of Baphomet on here, and it was so damn funny. I want monsters and demons in all of our government buildings. Satanic monks in the place of chaplains
"I'm having trouble with puberty, I'm bleeding"
"That's exactly what Satan wants you to do"

"This kid's picking on me"
"Cut his throat and use his blood to enslave his soul for all time"

"I was told to ask you about the birds and the bees?"
"I'd rather talk about the goats."

Can't be worse than the support system in the schools I went to.

And I say, teach the controversy!

My favourite right now may be the angel, though, because it's a scene from the Bible. Christians are objecting to the display of holy scripture because it's offensive. Granted, I'm all for them putting up those Baphomet statues and challenging the "Hobby Lobby decision."

Why do people have to disappoint me? I hadn't seen any of this, and now I am sad. I'd seen relatively harmless stuff about vegetarian/vegan cooking, and fairly benign feminism stuff crop up on Facebook once or twice.

I don't follow Miyam, but these were actually trending news for a while. Well, not the Zionist one (her description, BTW, not mine), but that showed up when I googled her after. I think she took issue with Frozen, too. I may be confusing her with someone else, though, because there were three or four butthurt rants about feminists going on at the same time.

Mommy got bills to pay kids. Selling out's easy.

XD.

I mean, honestly, I have no problem with either position. It's the two combined I can't wrap my head around.

I haven't gone that far, but my brother's impression of Far Cry 4 is it's incredibly broken. I'm saving money atm, so I'm not picking it up until it's down in price, fixed, and comes with the damn sliced off DLC. I'll be waiting a while.

It's not like I'm boycotting them or anything. But my interest in AC games is limited, I don't do FPS, and Watch_#@Dogs had some pretty bad flaws otherwise. Closest I come to paying full price for a game is I periodically buy Rocksmith songs. But again, this is mostly because their games don't interest me (mostly). I do, however, hate their DRM on PC and will actively avoid games with it or, best scenario, but a console version. Still, I'm far from the enabler I've been painted. Unless supporting the few games I do like is enabling the bad ones, somehow.

Even Hitler had a dog. And then he killed it, because Hitler was a dick.

That just proves how evil dog owners are.

Unless I'm a dog owner, in which case, "notalldogowners"

It's sad, and more than a little pathetic. They had some extra special stuff on how misogynistic gay men are(Not that they can't be. The article was just damn terrible. "Gay Male Privilege". Because we all know that gay people have privilege over straight people, and that gay men definitely aren't exercising regular old male privilege. And of course, when it gets to the comments, it's "mansplaining".). Including the terrible misogyny of not being favoured for service in a gay bar. Who knew that they suffered this hardship? Oh the huge-manateeeeeeeeeeeeeee.

I've seen several instances personally of gay men groping women, the women not liking it, and the men accusing them of homophobia. And it's like, maybe they just don't want to be touched unprovoked by people they may not even know (a couple instances were total strangers). Worse when they're lesbians, who, you know, probably don't want that kind of attention from any male.

I say "probably," because it's not always the case, but still.

My pet issue is making comics more realistic for cynical audiences, and avoiding anything human. #ISTANDWITHTHEBATMAN. And also chainsmoking cigarettes whilst listening to Death Metal, because Christian Bale needs it for his bat-voice.

Well, if Nolan's involved, you're safe.

There's also some views that are just plain toxic, but they at least keep you on your toes. Extra points go to the "Drunk Responsibility" thread. That's some classy fun. I think that even if you just ignore some people, you can still find new and alternate points of view, and there's still the vast majority of the site posting.

Quite possibly, but the "you're just shutting out people who disagree with you" thing starts to make you think after the 11000000th claim.

Eh, I'm not sure which one I'd like the least. The eleventh doctor represents everything I hate about Moffat killing something I once loved dearly. I feel bad for poor Matt Smith, just because I feel disgusted just at the sight of him. And of course, Milo is a terrible human being, but I never liked him or Breitbart.

I like Matt Smith. I enjoyed his Doctor even in episodes where I outright hated what Moffat was doing.

Don't you understand. They're liberal and left leaning, and that means this is too, and they're definitely not misogynists #TotallyYourShield.

I've been tempted to use that, but the people who most need to pay attention don't seem to grasp irony.

Also, men are just better at technology, according to Breitbart, who made a career out of not understanding vidya games.

Plus, there's a school of thought that teaching people to be less dickish so they don't victimise others is serving society in general, but some people rather ignore things and justify letting it slide.

I don't agree with letting it slide. I'm just not sure I can justify an "eye for an eye" mentality, even if it's just in my mind.

With this and the mansplaining, I'm not sure how the PC police haven't found me.

You've only got a two star. They don't really bust out the search lights until three. Try telling women they have it better than men.

Probably because they can't hold their hands up while flipping tables. I think that's the big issue though. White people trust the police. They can't comprehend the attitude towards the police that black people have. Unfortunately, their trust is abused, and the role of the police as heroes and the idea of the police officer (Particularly his representation in media) ends up being pressed onto the police, regardless of whether they deserve it. Being a cop is a damn difficult job, and there's a whole bunch of people with that job who just can't do it. It's like a fucking engineer who refuses to do ODEs, or carry a calculator.

The funny thing is we've got a culture that seems to both love and hate the cops, often at the same time. A bunch of survivalist bastards will defend the cops one day and threaten to shoot the next. Thing is, they rarely have any real cause to hate the police, and so it's mostly this paranoid idea that "the man" is fucking with them. Contrast Cliven Bundy to (insert black person murdered by cop lately).

I wasn't aware of that one. My knowledge is pretty abbreviated on them, mostly wikipedia level stuff. I was under the impression the opposed homophobic legislation and policy, and opposed certain candidates based on this. Of course, they're still with the Republican party, so that's kind of extremely limiting. I just can't see modern American Republicanism as being that important, but then again, I think their fiscal policy and their social policy fucking sucks, but that's cause I'm a damn lefty socialist punk type.

I think it's the usual "it doesn't matter to me, it shouldn't matter to you" stuff. But they've fought same sex marriage legislation. Even that seems to have changed, though, as when I did a search, my first page was filled with their support of Maine's Susan Collins and her stance on marriage equality. But then, the Republican Party as a whole has been saying "ixnay on the o homo nay," now that the tides have turned in public opinion. I fully imagine that in ten years, it will always have been their idea.

You have a much stronger stomach than I. I think I finished one of TF00T's Anita videos. "Woman, you are a liar without shame" he says on Hitman, a game he never played, whilst missing the point of the episode that's in the fucking title "Women as Background Decoration". I can't watch TAA anymore, just him coming up makes me sick, it's just too much stupid, and certainty, and wallowing in his own smugness at the celebrity he's attained. And the worst is to think that I could have ended up anything like that.

I've only watched a couple, but it's enough for my recs to have blown up. I do love the irony of a man who doesn't play games editing down a critic's video to remove pertinent information, calling her on it, and then accusing her of being a liar without shame. I don't watch TAA stuff anymore, but it keeps showing up.

Agreed. Although at least Tf00t already had his feminism hate boner because of his FTB thing.

Oh, definitely. And his early attacks may have been legit, but I think he figured out that the money wasn't in being an entitled atheist but in being an entitled dude.

Eh, I've been noticing the August/September 2014 join dates a lot, and it's no suprise they make friends there.

I'm talking about people who have been on here as long as me, who have suddenly sheared their friend's lists down to 5-6 other like-minded individuals. Several of these people I appeared on their friend's lists before "the purge," and who had many other friends on the "anti" side before that. Hell, I had several of these people on my XBL list until about that point.

One of the reasons I've noticed this with people who are not me is that I tend to look at someone's post history if I'm going to bother to argue. It's weird, apparently, but I like to be informed. Some of the more vocal GGers used to have large friend's lists and now have very tiny ones.

It's just the language is so damn cultish and isolated. Anti-GG, AGGRos "GTP" and all sorts of shit. When they stagger out into the other threads, they make no damn sense.

It's funny as hell watching them try and make a point out side the echo chamber, though. They've become so used to being unchallenged that the moment you do, it's like their heads explode.

Then again, similar accusations could be levelled at me, most of my friends list are pretty anti, barring WittyNameHere. I mean, most of them were there before, and they're there because they're people I find interesting and likeable, which is a biased sample, but it could happen.

It could be a problem, but unless you've been purging your friend's list. The worst I've done is trimmed a few people I've noticed have "unfriended" me, and you'll still see folks like grassgremlin on my list. And he thinks I hate him and am persecuting him. Part of this is that I don't really care much, and am too disorganised to spend a lot of time maintaining things like that. Hell, I don't think I've updated my bio since 2008.

The isolationism and drawing of lines is definitely disturbing. Apparently I'm part of some Anti-GG, which is so aggravating to drive people Anti-Anti-GG, and my "side" is as bad as the other, because some people have opposed GG by doxxing, harrassing and being dickheads. Of course, the moment I start calling myself a member of whatever group it is they're trying to build, they may have a point.

Yeah, I must have missed my membership, because I get the same complaints even though I have no idea how I qualify in a lot of cases. Oh, I oppose Gamergate, but that's because I can read and have thoughts. No conspiracy necessary, and I'd oppose them even if I was the only one, because I think their claims are wrong, their goals are largely fronts, and their actions speak to that.

And now, we've taken Hatred from them. Not only does Target prove that Anita Sarkeesian is taking away our games, but Valve's decision not to stock a game created by Nazis also proves it.

Meyers is just toxic.

Agreed.

http://www.shamusyoung.com/twentysidedtale/?p=923

Okay, that was pretty awesome.

Like a lot of FTB actually, it feels like that site is an aggregator for abbreviated, crappy posts, and a lot of just shitposts and announcements. I can't get anything out of that thing, even when I don't hate the writer.

I never really paid attention to FTB, and probably wouldn't even know about it if not for the Thunderf00t blowup. Meyers shit gets spread around a lot, though, so I know some of the stuff I've seen originates there.

Also, The Atheist Experience directs you to FTB to discuss the show. And while I don't mind that they close comments on their videos, I'm not going to another forum specifically to discuss YouTube comments.

Steve Shives is also a great guy. His lists are hilarious. TBS needs to post more, I was just getting into him when he went dark. His WLC saga was epic, and he's very rigorous.

He did a lecture somewhat recently, or a talk or whatever, and it was entertaining. It wasn't hosted on his channel, though.

I heard about that after the fact. He doesn't exactly keep people posted on the shitty stuff, unless he's excusing it because he's a shit, or because he's a pervert. Never saw him on TGWTG, but I never really did that, watched Critic and Chick on YT, followed Dan Olsen to chezapocalypse, because Foldy is amazing. I love that guy, he's awesome.

For a couple of years there, I tried out pretty much everyone on TGWTG. The new CA site is an eyesore, so the few people I still watch I either don't or watch on YouTube. I didn't know about the "rape semen" thing at the time, but already found him insufferable. His film criticisms are often as steeped in sexism as his rants on Atheism and such. Nostalgia Chick once made the joke "for there is no lower form of life than the teenage girl, and we must loathe them dutifully." She could have been taking a shot right at TJ, since he went down that road multiple times. What? A big summer movie that doesn't directly consider meeeeeeeeeeeee? This is literally the worst thing ever!

Again, you can tie this right back to the discussion of gaming. The idea that a major publisher might have the balls (because, obviously, game devs are also male) to make something that doesn't actively court straight white dudes as the primary audience is enough to outrage the people, many of which are totally not sexist but just angry that women and SJWs are ruining gaming and hashtag movements become necessary.

I really hate that so many of the "big" atheists are entitled little pricks.

Something about how "Naked Celebrities new social statement" (Abusing the hell out of quotes, I should probably square bracket everything within). It ended badly.

Oh, I saw the beginning of that thread and quickly bowed out. *shudder* Guess I missed the "fun."

You say that, but "Hey Hey it's Saturday" already came back, and ran blackface gags. Ah Australia. Of course, we have our own black people, except we don't much like talking about the Aboriginal Australians, because we kind of screwed them massively, and people might think we were less easygoing if they realised how terribly racist we are.

I remember a few years back being in a group with a bunch of Aussies who liked to ***** about Muslims taking over and how much Muslims hated Australia and I thought "you know, these guys sound rather American." But then again, the South is considered pretty easygoing, too. You know, the place with a large bulk of the racial tensions. And with a higher-than-average number of school shootings for the US. And with disproportionate crime rates which outdo most everywhere but LA and NYC.

EASYGOING.

I mean, I'm sure #notallaussies and such, it's just that your racists and xenophobes sound a lot like ours.

But, you see, the difference between the blackface gag and "Aussie Blackface" is that one of those is actually blackface, and the other lacks self-awareness.

 

[Loonyyy]

It'd be nice if they took their own terms a little more seriously, anyway. People don't get suspended a lot of the time for violating their terms. I remember Xbone was going to have some new dynamic filtering system and....nobody I know thinks it worked. I can't judge, because I don't have an Xbone. However, I remember that sort of claims from the beginning of the 360 generation, and I still get repeat visits from people I put on avoid.

I think there's a demand for it, and they're happy to supply it, so I'm happy not to pay to be a part of their communities.

It also amazes me how tone deaf a bunch of white guys can be on the page of a black personality. A while after I posted this, I saw someone post one of those "dat nigga" memes on one of his comments, which I think was about the New York case. God help me, so many black people have been assaulted or killed by the cops of late I'm losing track of which was which!

It really is just a sad state of affairs.

And I say, teach the controversy!

My favourite right now may be the angel, though, because it's a scene from the Bible. Christians are objecting to the display of holy scripture because it's offensive. Granted, I'm all for them putting up those Baphomet statues and challenging the "Hobby Lobby decision."

Teach the controversy! Raptor sympathisers are among us!

I don't follow Miyam, but these were actually trending news for a while. Well, not the Zionist one (her description, BTW, not mine), but that showed up when I googled her after. I think she took issue with Frozen, too. I may be confusing her with someone else, though, because there were three or four butthurt rants about feminists going on at the same time.

It's really strange when you don't see anything like that, and then it suddenly comes out. It's disconcerting.

XD.

I mean, honestly, I have no problem with either position. It's the two combined I can't wrap my head around.

If she stuck to one or the other she wouldn't be selling out. Why have one, when you can have both?

It's not like I'm boycotting them or anything. But my interest in AC games is limited, I don't do FPS, and Watch_#@Dogs had some pretty bad flaws otherwise. Closest I come to paying full price for a game is I periodically buy Rocksmith songs. But again, this is mostly because their games don't interest me (mostly). I do, however, hate their DRM on PC and will actively avoid games with it or, best scenario, but a console version. Still, I'm far from the enabler I've been painted. Unless supporting the few games I do like is enabling the bad ones, somehow.

No, I get that. I haven't purchased an AC title since III, which burned me, and Watch-Dogs is just generic Ubi shovelware. I do hate their DRM, although I don't quite hate uPlay as much as when it was older, the always on on AC II kept kicking me and losing progress. uPlay's just extra annoying, because it's a shallow Steam knockoff with none of the functionality, and bullshit "Points" to unlock content in your own damn game. I don't think people need to boycott Ubi, because their shit's already so bad that you shouldn't buy it.

Even Hitler had a dog. And then he killed it, because Hitler was a dick.

That just proves how evil dog owners are.

Unless I'm a dog owner, in which case, "notalldogowners"[/quote]
#Ethicsinpetjournalism. Clearly a biased Cat owning SJW.

I've seen several instances personally of gay men groping women, the women not liking it, and the men accusing them of homophobia.

Oh, definitely. There's a bunch of BS and shitty behaviour they could have targetted, and instead, they kind of missed it. I can't remember the name, but I was watching this fashion designer documentary, and he basically treated his models like objects. It was really disconcerting. Still, I found their coverage distinctly lacking, and remarkably tone-deaf.

And it's like, maybe they just don't want to be touched unprovoked by people they may not even know (a couple instances were total strangers). Worse when they're lesbians, who, you know, probably don't want that kind of attention from any male.


I say "probably," because it's not always the case, but still.

Definitely. Although, even people with strong preferences for the same sex don't necessarily have no interest in the opposite sex. If they're groping up someone under the guise that they don't sleep with their gender, it's just a lie, and it's sexual, and inappropriate, even if they pretend it ain't.

There's also some views that are just plain toxic, but they at least keep you on your toes. Extra points go to the "Drunk Responsibility" thread. That's some classy fun. I think that even if you just ignore some people, you can still find new and alternate points of view, and there's still the vast majority of the site posting.

Quite possibly, but the "you're just shutting out people who disagree with you" thing starts to make you think after the 11000000th claim.[/quote]
If I'd managed to shut out everyone who disagreed with me, I wouldn't keep seeing things I disagree with, or things which change my mind.

I like Matt Smith. I enjoyed his Doctor even in episodes where I outright hated what Moffat was doing.

Eh, the first episode gave me the worst impression. And the damn forced memeing was grating. I can't stand Moffat. Sherlock's ok, but he's poison to DW. Davies wasn't particularly bright, or inspired, but he made Doctor Who. He just seemed like a fan who was happy to bring it back, and to just keep the fans happy. Then Moffat decides we have to disappear up his asshole in convoluted, senseless plots, and annoying romantic and sexual rubbish. I'll never picture the Doctor as anything but asexual(And being a 900 year old alien makes his relationship with girls in their teens or mid-twenties extra creepy), and Moffat's excuse that being sexual opens things up more is disconcerting. He's said some remarkably tone-deaf things, and I think I'll start watching in full once he's gone(Last one I watched was the last season final. So disappointing. Battle of Canary Warf it wasn't). I kind of feel bad, because Matt Smith ends up being the face of Moffat to me, even though it's not his fault.

I've been tempted to use that, but the people who most need to pay attention don't seem to grasp irony.

I thought you came up with #TotallyYourShield. I'm not sure where I read that now

I don't agree with letting it slide. I'm just not sure I can justify an "eye for an eye" mentality, even if it's just in my mind.

Oh, sure, I'm not saying you're letting it slide, that was the position I was arguing against. I don't think in practice eye for an eye is a good mentality(Whole world blind and all that). I think it's one to consider in context though. If being stood up on a date is weighed against 3 years of harassment, then they got off lightly, and I could entirely understand someone who retaliated in kind when they're victimised, even if I don't think that principle is one that we should hold, or should be part of the law. But in an a world where people complain that gang-rapists are having their lives ruined by prosecution or accusation, I think it's important to keep in mind.

You've only got a two star. They don't really bust out the search lights until three. Try telling women they have it better than men.

Then they'll send the helicopter, and I can't escape that one without a runup to the bridge.

The funny thing is we've got a culture that seems to both love and hate the cops, often at the same time. A bunch of survivalist bastards will defend the cops one day and threaten to shoot the next. Thing is, they rarely have any real cause to hate the police, and so it's mostly this paranoid idea that "the man" is fucking with them. Contrast Cliven Bundy to (insert black person murdered by cop lately).

I've been more an more disconcerted by rogue cops and the like in movies and television. And the general contempt for internal affairs. I just started watching Angel, and his detective buddy brutalised a suspect numerous times. I'd just read about the same thing happening to a black kid by an officer who thought he was obstructing them. Kid's legs were broken. They beat him when he should have been on crutches and bed rest, and then dragged him to the car because he couldn't walk.

I think it's the usual "it doesn't matter to me, it shouldn't matter to you" stuff. But they've fought same sex marriage legislation. Even that seems to have changed, though, as when I did a search, my first page was filled with their support of Maine's Susan Collins and her stance on marriage equality. But then, the Republican Party as a whole has been saying "ixnay on the o homo nay," now that the tides have turned in public opinion. I fully imagine that in ten years, it will always have been their idea.

I guess that's progress.

I've only watched a couple, but it's enough for my recs to have blown up. I do love the irony of a man who doesn't play games editing down a critic's video to remove pertinent information, calling her on it, and then accusing her of being a liar without shame. I don't watch TAA stuff anymore, but it keeps showing up.

TF00t is a liar without shame. He thinks Halo is a Playstation title. Damn fake nerd boy, I'll never find his ugly ass sexy.

I'm too busy being spammed by shitty music because it shares a label with whatever I'm listening to.

Oh, definitely. And his early attacks may have been legit, but I think he figured out that the money wasn't in being an entitled atheist but in being an entitled dude.

I think he was legitimately pissed at the FTB thing, and it coloured his perception of a lot of the views involved. Unfortunately, that mindset is really not very good for changing one's opinion, no matter how often it's touted as skepticism.

I'm talking about people who have been on here as long as me, who have suddenly sheared their friend's lists down to 5-6 other like-minded individuals. Several of these people I appeared on their friend's lists before "the purge," and who had many other friends on the "anti" side before that. Hell, I had several of these people on my XBL list until about that point.

One of the reasons I've noticed this with people who are not me is that I tend to look at someone's post history if I'm going to bother to argue. It's weird, apparently, but I like to be informed. Some of the more vocal GGers used to have large friend's lists and now have very tiny ones.

That's an odd one. I didn't notice that happening during the ME3 or original Sarkeesian bit.

It could be a problem, but unless you've been purging your friend's list. The worst I've done is trimmed a few people I've noticed have "unfriended" me, and you'll still see folks like grassgremlin on my list. And he thinks I hate him and am persecuting him. Part of this is that I don't really care much, and am too disorganised to spend a lot of time maintaining things like that. Hell, I don't think I've updated my bio since 2008.

I just try to ignore the posts that I know I won't be interested in.

Yeah, I must have missed my membership, because I get the same complaints even though I have no idea how I qualify in a lot of cases. Oh, I oppose Gamergate, but that's because I can read and have thoughts. No conspiracy necessary, and I'd oppose them even if I was the only one, because I think their claims are wrong, their goals are largely fronts, and their actions speak to that.

And now, we've taken Hatred from them. Not only does Target prove that Anita Sarkeesian is taking away our games, but Valve's decision not to stock a game created by Nazis also proves it.

Yeah, and apparently selling gaming down the river by creating exactly what the anti-gamers have been calling games for years is art. To me it looks like complete shit, but I guess people want that.

It doesn't even lack the warped humor and idea of Postal, it just looks mean. And an immature idea of what "dark" is.

Like a lot of FTB actually, it feels like that site is an aggregator for abbreviated, crappy posts, and a lot of just shitposts and announcements. I can't get anything out of that thing, even when I don't hate the writer.

I never really paid attention to FTB, and probably wouldn't even know about it if not for the Thunderf00t blowup. Meyers shit gets spread around a lot, though, so I know some of the stuff I've seen originates there.

Also, The Atheist Experience directs you to FTB to discuss the show. And while I don't mind that they close comments on their videos, I'm not going to another forum specifically to discuss YouTube comments.[/quote]
Yeah, I tried following TAE on there, but I don't want to read their comment threads for episodes, I want to read the extra stuff they put out, and instead it's just notifications about videos I've already watched. Venturing into the comments seems a waste of time, especially since if they're on FTB, it's not like there's going to be a discussion with people of different faiths, it's just going to be wall to wall anti-theistic atheists. Which is a really boring way to talk about religion. If I wanted their extra stuff, I'd have to go through ten pages of articles to get me a half-hour's worth of filler.

He did a lecture somewhat recently, or a talk or whatever, and it was entertaining. It wasn't hosted on his channel, though.

I'll have to look for an upload. And also binge Shrives' latest vids.

For a couple of years there, I tried out pretty much everyone on TGWTG. The new CA site is an eyesore, so the few people I still watch I either don't or watch on YouTube. I didn't know about the "rape semen" thing at the time, but already found him insufferable. His film criticisms are often as steeped in sexism as his rants on Atheism and such. Nostalgia Chick once made the joke "for there is no lower form of life than the teenage girl, and we must loathe them dutifully." She could have been taking a shot right at TJ, since he went down that road multiple times. What? A big summer movie that doesn't directly consider meeeeeeeeeeeee? This is literally the worst thing ever!

Yeah, CA is an eyesore, and if you've ever run script-blockers(Which I have to for my computer's security, because it's been infected more than once through that vector), it's a nuisance to navigate. It's like an old 2000s Web-2.0 horror with all the extra nastiness of customised Myspace pages. Still, I tolerate it for Foldy and Todd in the shadows (Which I just realised spells TITS. Many lulz).

Again, you can tie this right back to the discussion of gaming. The idea that a major publisher might have the balls (because, obviously, game devs are also male) to make something that doesn't actively court straight white dudes as the primary audience is enough to outrage the people, many of which are totally not sexist but just angry that women and SJWs are ruining gaming and hashtag movements become necessary.

I really hate that so many of the "big" atheists are entitled little pricks.

I think it comes down to the most polarising voices that pander the most become the loudest. Whether it's because people love them or hate them. A really good way to be really polarising is be a really big shithead.

Oh, I saw the beginning of that thread and quickly bowed out. *shudder* Guess I missed the "fun."

It's fun from a really perverse mindset.

I remember a few years back being in a group with a bunch of Aussies who liked to ***** about Muslims taking over and how much Muslims hated Australia and I thought "you know, these guys sound rather American."

Yeah, we even had a prolonged riot over it that put us on a few lists for travel warnings.

But then again, the South is considered pretty easygoing, too. You know, the place with a large bulk of the racial tensions. And with a higher-than-average number of school shootings for the US. And with disproportionate crime rates which outdo most everywhere but LA and NYC.

I think we're a little better than the South. I mean, we're racist, and annoying, but at least we're more progressive and have a better standard of living. And we spell possum better *rimshot*.

EASYGOING.

I mean, I'm sure #notallaussies and such, it's just that your racists and xenophobes sound a lot like ours.

It's actually used as an excuse. See, you're meant to be a larrikin, you're meant to take a "joke", and you're not meant to take things seriously. But if you ask the taxi drivers in my state (Predominantly Indian and Asian immigrants), they've got quite a different view on it, and nearly all of them have little "Racism. It stops with me." stickers on their bumpers.

But, you see, the difference between the blackface gag and "Aussie Blackface" is that one of those is actually blackface, and the other lacks self-awareness.

Oh, yeah. It's just funny, because Australia still doesn't "get" blackface.

 

[Something Amyss]

I think there's a demand for it, and they're happy to supply it, so I'm happy not to pay to be a part of their communities.

But people who portray gamers as bullies, harassers, or childish asses are unethical.

I have XBL, but I haven't played in a public game in ages. Though I have to admit. Some of the assholes who tried to troll me were adorable. I still have a video from Black Ops II I really loved.

It really is just a sad state of affairs.

And it's probably only going to get worse.

Teach the controversy! Raptor sympathisers are among us!

Raptors are infamous SJWs. Don't listen to them.

It's really strange when you don't see anything like that, and then it suddenly comes out. It's disconcerting.

I think I first came upon it from some thread here. I think it was Miyam's "Frozen" rant, and then....BOOM.

If she stuck to one or the other she wouldn't be selling out. Why have one, when you can have both?

And if there's one thing I've learned from the gaming community, it's that single standards are for the other guy.

No, I get that. I haven't purchased an AC title since III, which burned me, and Watch-Dogs is just generic Ubi shovelware. I do hate their DRM, although I don't quite hate uPlay as much as when it was older, the always on on AC II kept kicking me and losing progress. uPlay's just extra annoying, because it's a shallow Steam knockoff with none of the functionality, and bullshit "Points" to unlock content in your own damn game. I don't think people need to boycott Ubi, because their shit's already so bad that you shouldn't buy it.

Basically, yeah. I bought a few of their AC games at 5 bucks apiece on PSN a while back, and I've been playing through them. Price does factor into my reaction of a game. I'm not totally skint, but 60 dollars on a game is 60 dollars I can't spend elsewhere. And this may seem weird talking to an Aussie, but keep in mind that I earn less than your minimum wage.

#Ethicsinpetjournalism. Clearly a biased Cat owning SJW.

I am offended that you assert that I own a cat, you Doggiegate supporter!

Oh, definitely. There's a bunch of BS and shitty behaviour they could have targetted, and instead, they kind of missed it. I can't remember the name, but I was watching this fashion designer documentary, and he basically treated his models like objects. It was really disconcerting. Still, I found their coverage distinctly lacking, and remarkably tone-deaf.

Yeah, I've never particularly got how one can be part of a minority and be so shitty to others. I mean, I know that minorities are people, too, but how the hell does being treated like shit for who you are not trigger some sort of empathy? We evolved as social beings, FFS.

Definitely. Although, even people with strong preferences for the same sex don't necessarily have no interest in the opposite sex. If they're groping up someone under the guise that they don't sleep with their gender, it's just a lie, and it's sexual, and inappropriate, even if they pretend it ain't.

And that's just shitty, anyway. I mean, it's a page out of Chuck and Larry.

If I'd managed to shut out everyone who disagreed with me, I wouldn't keep seeing things I disagree with, or things which change my mind.

Could be worse. YouTube could think you're a Thunderf00t fan!

I can't seem to avoid people who disagree with me either, but you may have noticed, truth claims have little value online.

I thought you came up with #TotallyYourShield. I'm not sure where I read that now

I did. I just meant slapping it around more. Like, a concerted campaign, I guess.

Then they'll send the helicopter, and I can't escape that one without a runup to the bridge.

I just find an overhang. Or the subway tunnels.

I've been more an more disconcerted by rogue cops and the like in movies and television. And the general contempt for internal affairs. I just started watching Angel, and his detective buddy brutalised a suspect numerous times. I'd just read about the same thing happening to a black kid by an officer who thought he was obstructing them. Kid's legs were broken. They beat him when he should have been on crutches and bed rest, and then dragged him to the car because he couldn't walk.

My experience with the police force may be atypical, but cops really hate IA in that experience.

We love rogues, period. We have a petulant streak as a culture. Except when we're collecting medicare or other socialist benefits. But that's the kind of socialism we like. I think that's part of why we've reacted so strongly to these games issues. Of course, we also hae a paranoid streak and a racist streak which may have come into play both with the police and the games.

It's amazing, though, how quick white folk in this country will turn on the police when they're no longer convenient. I've seen white folk throw tantrums over traffic tickets that would count as rioting if someone with a higher melanin count did it.

I guess that's progress.

Despite their most concerted efforts. I admit, though, I like the fact that we've dragged 'em along.

TF00t is a liar without shame. He thinks Halo is a Playstation title. Damn fake nerd boy, I'll never find his ugly ass sexy.

And the part where he said all gamers suck and should die, which is obviously true and in no way a parallel to absurd Anita claims.

I'm too busy being spammed by shitty music because it shares a label with whatever I'm listening to.

See, and as someone who uses YouTube to determine what I might want to buy, you'd think I'd get that!

I think he was legitimately pissed at the FTB thing, and it coloured his perception of a lot of the views involved. Unfortunately, that mindset is really not very good for changing one's opinion, no matter how often it's touted as skepticism.

I don't doubt it. And in fairness, we tend to be blind to our own issues. Of course, Thunderf00t has drummed that up to such a level it's pageantry.

That's an odd one. I didn't notice that happening during the ME3 or original Sarkeesian bit.

I didn't notice it happening until #gamergate became a thing. I argued with a lot of people over Mass Effect 3 who were friends. My stance was largely the same as it is now: I support the consumer right to boycott and be dissatisfied with what they think is a bad product. That said, while I saw the ending and thought it was stupid, I didn't buy the game (until much later to play the co-op with friends), and really didn't feel the need to actually get up on EA.

And even though EA "caved," the world kept on turning. And EA kept being EA, no less. They're slightly less shitty right now, but that has little to do with ME3 and more that they seem to have been bit by a couple actual failures recently. Meanwhile, I imagine Target is still Target, and I know Steam is still Steam.

I just try to ignore the posts that I know I won't be interested in.

I would have to unplug the internet. >.>

Yeah, and apparently selling gaming down the river by creating exactly what the anti-gamers have been calling games for years is art. To me it looks like complete shit, but I guess people want that.

Yeah, it's amazing that this spawned so much controversy. But I think it does go back to the contrary streak. If Steam stopped stocking The Slaughtering Grounds, we'd buy 10 million copies.

Yeah, I tried following TAE on there, but I don't want to read their comment threads for episodes, I want to read the extra stuff they put out, and instead it's just notifications about videos I've already watched. Venturing into the comments seems a waste of time, especially since if they're on FTB, it's not like there's going to be a discussion with people of different faiths, it's just going to be wall to wall anti-theistic atheists. Which is a really boring way to talk about religion. If I wanted their extra stuff, I'd have to go through ten pages of articles to get me a half-hour's worth of filler.

It's amazing, though. They've actually managed to create a forum where I'd rather talk about it on YouTube. At least on fan-hosted clips, there's sometimes reasonable people. Amidst the crazies, of course.

I'll have to look for an upload. And also binge Shrives' latest vids.

Have you seen the Steve and Stuff video about "Ethics in Star Trek Journalism?"

I think I watched it like eight times. Steve's delivery at the end kills me.

Yeah, CA is an eyesore, and if you've ever run script-blockers(Which I have to for my computer's security, because it's been infected more than once through that vector), it's a nuisance to navigate. It's like an old 2000s Web-2.0 horror with all the extra nastiness of customised Myspace pages. Still, I tolerate it for Foldy and Todd in the shadows (Which I just realised spells TITS. Many lulz).

Yup. That's why it says TODD on all his videos. I just watch him on YouTube and/or Blip.

Linkara's long been my primary draw to the site. Which is weird, because I haven't been a huge comic reader for ages, but his vids entertain me.

I think it comes down to the most polarising voices that pander the most become the loudest. Whether it's because people love them or hate them. A really good way to be really polarising is be a really big shithead.

I think it's because they tend to be the ones with the least shame. I've followed several more reasonable atheists who have been bullied off YouTube, often by followers of the bigger dicks. I'm not saying they were behind it, just that they've become a de facto voice through self-promotion and jackass behaviour, and kind of set the standard.

Which again, seems to be the same thing with gaming. It's so weird how that works.

It's fun from a really perverse mindset.

Well, at least I have the mindset!

I think we're a little better than the South. I mean, we're racist, and annoying, but at least we're more progressive and have a better standard of living. And we spell possum better *rimshot*.

You mean country minks? >.>

It's actually used as an excuse. See, you're meant to be a larrikin, you're meant to take a "joke", and you're not meant to take things seriously. But if you ask the taxi drivers in my state (Predominantly Indian and Asian immigrants), they've got quite a different view on it, and nearly all of them have little "Racism. It stops with me." stickers on their bumpers.

"Take a joke" is pretty common here, too. I mean, I've known a few minority folks (this is a very white state, so not like, tons and tons) who will take things in stride and/or even make their own jokes, but that should really come down to them.

Oh, yeah. It's just funny, because Australia still doesn't "get" blackface.

Oh. Oh.... OHHHHH....

 

[sageoftruth]

All I have to say is, it's one incident. The main argument here is that letting this happen could set a precedent and cause game banning elsewhere. So, let's see if that actually happens. It won't be too late to make a stand once the 5th or 6th retailer has done the same thing. In fact, the claim that this incident is even worth talking about will actually carry more weight if there are repeat offenses, making us sound a lot less like a bunch of kids whining about something petty. So for now let's just sit back and see what happens.