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Nenad

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I heard there are older games that deal with philosophy. I don't know any, so can you recommend me some? Except PS:T, played that.
 

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You'd have to give us something more than that. Are you looking for specific genera? Do you mean games which spew philosophical notions at you, or simply ones which use their plots to explore them?

I'd say any game lauded for its story could be considered "dealing with philosophy". Two examples from me are System Shock 2 and Deus Ex.
 

Prince Regent

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If you type "PS:T" in the Wikipedia search bar, you get the persian article on the letter T :p.

Anyway I don't if it's philosophical enough for you, but Beyond good and evil was somewhat based on the book of the same name by Friedrich Nietzsche. It shares some of the same themes and overhauling story.

Here's a wikilink http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beyond_good_and_evil
 

Nenad

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RyQ_TMC said:
You'd have to give us something more than that. Are you looking for specific genera? Do you mean games which spew philosophical notions at you, or simply ones which use their plots to explore them?

I'd say any game lauded for its story could be considered "dealing with philosophy". Two examples from me are System Shock 2 and Deus Ex.
Well both, I'm staring to study philosophy later this year, so I'm interested in everything ^^
 

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Prince Regent said:
Beyond good and evil was somewhat based on the book of the same name by Friedrich Nietzsche.
I love how you made it sound as though Nietzsche was a fantasy author writing about antropomorphic animals.
 

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The Silent Hill series. The thinking person's Resident Evil.

That said, any philosopher will tell you that philosophy is everywhere. It's hard to imagine something that isn't philosophically interesting or at least a gateway to deeper thought.
 

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I wish somebody designed a game where you played as a random Greek citizen and you spent the entire game doing quests for Plato and Aristotle, oh and Diogenes too. For example, one of the quests would involve you fetching a basket of onions for Diogenes from a market.

Seriously though, I'd love to play a game like this. I've got this amazing concept in my head, I'm going to create an idea-chart and go from there.
 

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RyQ_TMC said:
Prince Regent said:
Beyond good and evil was somewhat based on the book of the same name by Friedrich Nietzsche.
I love how you made it sound as though Nietzsche was a fantasy author writing about antropomorphic animals.
It's true, the übermensch was originally ment to be a fat talking pig with rocketboots.
 

Nenad

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WaReloaded said:
I wish somebody designed a game where you played as a random Greek citizen and you spent the entire game doing quests for Plato and Aristotle, oh and Diogenes too. For example, one of the quests would involve you fetching a basket of onions for Diogenes from a market.

Seriously though, I'd love to play a game like this. I've got this amazing concept in my head, I'm going to create an idea-chart and go from there.
I can write... and I know philosophical stuff, if you ever get anywhere I'm an board!
[small]Or you would go to find planks and craft a barrel...[/small]

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Salopian said:
The Silent Hill series. The thinking person's Resident Evil.

That said, any philosopher will tell you that philosophy is everywhere. It's hard to imagine something that isn't philosophically interesting or at least a gateway to deeper thought.
I could tell you that, but I'm looking for, you know, the most philosophical games.
 

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Nenad said:
WaReloaded said:
I wish somebody designed a game where you played as a random Greek citizen and you spent the entire game doing quests for Plato and Aristotle, oh and Diogenes too. For example, one of the quests would involve you fetching a basket of onions for Diogenes from a market.

Seriously though, I'd love to play a game like this. I've got this amazing concept in my head, I'm going to create an idea-chart and go from there.
I can write... and I know philosophical stuff, if ever get anywhere I'm an board!

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Salopian said:
The Silent Hill series. The thinking person's Resident Evil.

That said, any philosopher will tell you that philosophy is everywhere. It's hard to imagine something that isn't philosophically interesting or at least a gateway to deeper thought.
I could tell you that, but I'm looking for, you know, the most philosophical games.
I'll be sure to let you know if anything serious arises from this.

On the topic of current games and philosophy, the Final Fantasy series is a good example. There's even a book called 'Final Fantasy and Philosophy', I've got it and it's a very interesting read. One of my favourite chapters in the book is what David Hume would think of Video Games as an artform and they base the whole piece on a Malboro (FF monster/mob).
 

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I suppose the Persona games are philosophical. Read up on Carl Jung and the persona.
 

Nenad

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WaReloaded said:
I'll be sure to let you know if anything serious arises from this.

On the topic of current games and philosophy, the Final Fantasy series is a good example. There's even a book called 'Final Fantasy and Philosophy', I've got it and it's a very interesting read. One of my favourite chapters in the book is what David Hume would think of Video Games as an artform and they base the whole piece on a Malboro (FF monster/mob).
Wow, that really does sound interesting, but then I would have to play FF and to do that get an PS, and that's a lotta trouble. I could just read the book, but that ain't my may, but I might make an exception.

Anyway, I should really better phrase my topics, I actually heard there are philo games among older titles. Know any?
 

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Well, Bioshock is the obvious one, as the plot specifically deals with the philosophy of Objectivism. I'd also point to Fallout: New Vegas as a good example of a game dealing with political philosophy. All the major factions in the game represent a point on the political spectrum, and, if my little chat with Caesar was any indication, I'd say the developers most certainly did their philosophical homework. Then there's the Assassin's Creed series, which largely deals with the philosphical question of what's more important; peace and order, or free will (with the Templars and Assassins representing order and free will, respectively).

But, really I'd say most games with any kind of narrative will have some sort of philosophy behind them, even if that's not the intention. It's impossible to have narrative without a theme, even a rudimentary one, and it's impossible to have a theme without it showing a little bit of the creator's personal philosophy. It's just a matter of looking for it.
 

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Wait? The ubisoft game was based on the work of Nietzsche? *Mind blown*
Somewhat yes, one of the main themes in both the game and the book being that you shouldn't have blindly trust others to tell you what is good and what is evil. But that you have to be critical and think about things/find out thins yourself.

In the book is about the dogmatism of the church and society.

In the game it's about a militairy origanisation that claims to be protecting you from space aliens :p and society I guess.
 

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There aren't really any 'philosophy focused games'. You can only really base games on underlying philosophical concepts (eg. 'what is reality/is this real', 'moral subjectivity' etc), and you'd be surprised how many mainstream games incorporate aspects of these sort of things already.

It's all about finding philosophical discussion within the games you know well, rather than finding philosophical games to play.

That is unless, of course, you're after those 'deep' and 'edgy' titles that spew out artsy semi-philosophical jargon, like Braid or something... If so, I can't really help you.
 

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Dungeons and Discourse. It's not a digital game, but it's completely and solely about philosophy. Go here [http://dndis.wikidot.com/] and have a look!
 

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Nenad said:
WaReloaded said:
I'll be sure to let you know if anything serious arises from this.

On the topic of current games and philosophy, the Final Fantasy series is a good example. There's even a book called 'Final Fantasy and Philosophy', I've got it and it's a very interesting read. One of my favourite chapters in the book is what David Hume would think of Video Games as an artform and they base the whole piece on a Malboro (FF monster/mob).
Wow, that really does sound interesting, but then I would have to play FF and to do that get an PS, and that's a lotta trouble. I could just read the book, but that ain't my may, but I might make an exception.

Anyway, I should really better phrase my topics, I actually heard there are philo games among older titles. Know any?
You could probably find a copy of Final Fantasy X and a used Ps2 cheaper than an actual PS1 nowadays.

Do I know any games strictly rooted in philosophy? Not really, no. Sorry. But having said that, philosophy and philosophical influence can be found in most video games. For example, with Doom 3 you could probably create a discussion on the ethics of killing the demons that roam the hallways and corridors, haha. I don't know.