'Pick-up artist' banned from the UK

[Izanagi009_v1legacy]

Oh wow, this guy is really as bad as he seems. No wonder the UK rejected his Visa request. It might be bad precedent but the guy isn't exactly an angel either and I would rather not have him set foot anywhere near me. It also doesn't help that ,as an anime fan, his stance on Japanese women while somewhat and unfortunately true is degrading and ignorant of a larger picture of gender interaction in Japan

Now that the logical side is out of the way, time for my emotional reaction and I will probably get a warning for it.

THIS GUY DESERVES TO BE CHAINED UP BY HIS TOES, COVERED IN MEAT SAUSE AND THEN EATED BY 10 HUNGRY TASMANIAN DEVILS WHILE HAVING A PAIN AMPLIFYING DRUG INJECTED IN HIM AND FORCED THROUGH A REGIMENT OF SHOWING HIM PORN AND HITTING HIM IN THE BALLS WITH A SLEDGEHAMMER EVERY TIME HE GETS AN ERECTION.

OR BETTER YET

HE IS TRASH, HE IS GARBAGE, HE IS UTTER SCUM/

 

[DementedSheep]

As little sympathy as I have for those who let guys treat them like this in the first place they are within their right to deny this piece of shit entry. Sure people get in with worse but that's usually because they don't know about it or they are rich and/or famous enough that they want them there for other reasons. If that is your argument then you should have problem with the people who did worse getting in not this guy being kept out. The immigration laws basically have it so they can bar you for whatever they want. You don't have to actually be charged with anything. They just have decide you're a detriment to "public good". Considering he films himself grabbing women and shoving them into his crotch (which is sexual assault and illegal) it's not like they have no evidence. You don't have a particularly high chances of getting in with a swastika tattooed on your forehead either. If you were born there they have to deal with you and can't do shit unless you do something illegal and get charged in a court of law. If you weren't being allowed into the country is a privilege not an automatic right.

Captcha: grand slam

Captcha, that is just gross.

 

[Lil devils x_v1legacy]

Interesting. So I'm assuming that Britain will be denying entry to all future immigrants and visitors who show sexist, homophobic, or anti-semitic views?

Also, all this does is help this guy out. Now he can claim his techniques are so effective that they were banned in some countries by man-hating ugly feminists, and people will believe it.

The guy actively encourages people to break the law and commit sexual assault. He teaches how to break the law and GET AWAY WITH IT!

Could you provide an example? I saw that mentioned numerous times in the article but I never saw them actually provide an example of him teaching people how to commit actual sexual assault.

Short speech from Blanc about how he ran around, jamming girl's faces into his dick in Japan. The video ends with video of him doing it to Japanese girls who are smiling, but quite obviously out of nervousness, as they try to resist his cock homing hand.

It's not much, but it's mostly because most videos of the stuff have been taking down. You'd be surprised at how many videos have been deleted from online news sources. Wonder why.

Legally speaking, that's not sexual assault. Creepy and fucked up and highly face-punchable? Definitely, but not technically sexual assault: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_assault

I think the guy is a grade A asshole and a country has the right to deny a Visa to anyone, I just think it needs to be careful of going down the road of "well we don't have evidence that you actually committed a crime, but we think what you're saying might lead to a crime, even though there isn't any evidence of that either, so you're not allowed in." Continuing on that path, they could theoretically deny entry to anyone who espoused homophobic views, even on religious grounds, under the basis that it 'encourages homophobic violence'.

Actually, it is sexual assault by the medical definition, however, laws of various nations vary as tio which sexual assaults can be prosecuted.
http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Sexual+Contact
http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/sexual+assault

Medically it is considered sexual assault without a doubt, this is not a gray area. It is still sexual assault regardless of if all nations prosecute all forms of sexual assault. This is the medical definition of sexual assault used globally.

Yes, this IS ILLEGAL IN THE US and prosecuted as sexual assault in the US, you are mistaken.

Sexual contact.? The term ?sexual contact? means?
(A) touching, or causing another person to touch, either directly or through the clothing, the genitalia, anus, groin, breast, inner thigh, or buttocks of any person, with an intent to abuse, humiliate, or degrade any person; or
(B) any touching, or causing another person to touch, either directly or through the clothing, any body part of any person, if done with an intent to arouse or gratify the sexual desire of any person.
Touching may be accomplished by any part of the body.
http://www.justice.gov/ovw/sexual-assault
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/10/920

c) Aggravated Sexual Contact.? Any person subject to this chapter who commits or causes sexual contact upon or by another person, if to do so would violate subsection (a) (rape) had the sexual contact been a sexual act, is guilty of aggravated sexual contact and shall be punished as a court-martial may direct.
(d) Abusive Sexual Contact.? Any person subject to this chapter who commits or causes sexual contact upon or by another person, if to do so would violate subsection (b) (sexual assault) had the sexual contact been a sexual act, is guilty of abusive sexual contact and shall be punished as a court-martial may direct.

THIS IS SEXUAL ASSAULT AND SHOULD BE MADE VERY CLEAR THAT THIS IS NOT LEGAL IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM

ALSO: Wiki is not an accurate source.

 

[cleric of the order]

CAPTCHA: "i know nothing!" - Well f*** you to you too.

Get a load of this guy, the captcha is trying to tell you something man.

Encourages kissing and touching without consent? Well fuck this guy. Good on the UK

uh, man I just dude what?
From what I'm seeing that's like the least evil thing that guy does.

Not sure if they should have turned him away but Britain has every right to

He seems like a bit of an unsavoury sort. I can't say I'd care to be in the vicinity of him, but, banning him from the country?

No, that's absolutely ridiculous.

Remarkably despite what some people seem to think, women are capable of opinions and thoughts of their own, and unless something non-consensual has happened, I'm not seeing the issue here.

I agree thoroughly, I have no care for the guy or the batch of half formed impotent sociopaths he will try and mold, but his tactics are obvious and are more likely to get people into shit then anything else.
A dangerous fellow but I think He's trying to stir things up, no sane human being would say or act that sort of way if he wasn't trying to piss people off and gain coverage.

on a side note I have to ask what's the Uk's policy on the matter, did they technically break or foul the law to get that bugger out.

 

[Lil devils x_v1legacy]

Spoiler: Snip

Interesting. So I'm assuming that Britain will be denying entry to all future immigrants and visitors who show sexist, homophobic, or anti-semitic views?

Also, all this does is help this guy out. Now he can claim his techniques are so effective that they were banned in some countries by man-hating ugly feminists, and people will believe it.

The guy actively encourages people to break the law and commit sexual assault. He teaches how to break the law and GET AWAY WITH IT!

Could you provide an example? I saw that mentioned numerous times in the article but I never saw them actually provide an example of him teaching people how to commit actual sexual assault.

Short speech from Blanc about how he ran around, jamming girl's faces into his dick in Japan. The video ends with video of him doing it to Japanese girls who are smiling, but quite obviously out of nervousness, as they try to resist his cock homing hand.

It's not much, but it's mostly because most videos of the stuff have been taking down. You'd be surprised at how many videos have been deleted from online news sources. Wonder why.

Legally speaking, that's not sexual assault. Creepy and fucked up and highly face-punchable? Definitely, but not technically sexual assault: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_assault

I think the guy is a grade A asshole and a country has the right to deny a Visa to anyone, I just think it needs to be careful of going down the road of "well we don't have evidence that you actually committed a crime, but we think what you're saying might lead to a crime, even though there isn't any evidence of that either, so you're not allowed in." Continuing on that path, they could theoretically deny entry to anyone who espoused homophobic views, even on religious grounds, under the basis that it 'encourages homophobic violence'.

Sexual assault, a form of sexual violence, is any involuntary sexual act in which a person is threatened, coerced, or forced to engage against their will, or any non-consensual sexual touching of a person.

Ok, cool. Guess I'm free to grab random women's hands and force them to touch my groin.

The Penal Code also criminalizes ?Forcible Indecency?. Article 176 of the Penal Code provides that ?[a] person who, through assault or intimidation, forcibly commits an indecent act upon a male or female of not less than thirteen years of age shall be punished by imprisonment with work for not less than 6 months but not more than 10 years. The same shall apply to a person who commits an indecent act upon a male or female under thirteen years of age.?

EDIT: That was needlessly snarky. Completely uncalled for.

Think I'll ditch this thread until tomorrow, after some good sleep.

That information provided was incorrect. It is most definitely sexual assault by the medical definition.
http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Sexual+Contact
http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/sexual+assault
This should not be confused, and should be made very clear that any contact with sexual organs without consent even through clothing of victim or perpetrator is sexual assault. Taking any persons body parts and touching the groin IS sexual assault and should never be confused. There is no gray area, this is the medical definition used at hospitals to determine whether or not a sexual assault has taken place and is admissible in court. In the US THIS is very much illegal, and the Courts use the medical definition. Simply because not all nations prosecute all forms of sexual assault, does not make it suddenly not sexual assault because this medical definition is used globally.
http://www.justice.gov/ovw/sexual-assault

 

[NiPah]

Ironically enough the Escapist is currently running ads for The Girlfriend activation system:

I googled this and "my eyes, my eyes," so I don't know. Does the "Girlfriend Activation System" involve telling people that they can get away with groping women in certain parts of Japan because not only won't the women say anything, neither will the men or the police?

Because there's scum, and there's instructing people on how to get away with assault.

Not too sure on that, I spent about 20 seconds on the site trying to find what the hell it was saying before realizing that's exactly what they want, I saw something about women's DNA and how the owner has had 3 girlfriends who had lots of sex with him.

More likely just there to get malware on your PC, I'd rather not go back to find out.

 

[Erttheking]

Interesting. So I'm assuming that Britain will be denying entry to all future immigrants and visitors who show sexist, homophobic, or anti-semitic views?

Also, all this does is help this guy out. Now he can claim his techniques are so effective that they were banned in some countries by man-hating ugly feminists, and people will believe it.

The guy actively encourages people to break the law and commit sexual assault. He teaches how to break the law and GET AWAY WITH IT!

Could you provide an example? I saw that mentioned numerous times in the article but I never saw them actually provide an example of him teaching people how to commit actual sexual assault.

That's because the guy is doing damage control and pulling all of his videos of him pulling the faces Japanese women into his crotch.

But there's still this.


For the record, he flat out says men should be cutting out women's thoughts before they can properly form them. Because sex.

And this.


"If you're a white male in Japan, you can do whatever you want" And "Just grab her."

Fuck. Him.

 

[DefunctTheory]

Spoiler

Spoiler: Snip

Interesting. So I'm assuming that Britain will be denying entry to all future immigrants and visitors who show sexist, homophobic, or anti-semitic views?

Also, all this does is help this guy out. Now he can claim his techniques are so effective that they were banned in some countries by man-hating ugly feminists, and people will believe it.

The guy actively encourages people to break the law and commit sexual assault. He teaches how to break the law and GET AWAY WITH IT!

Could you provide an example? I saw that mentioned numerous times in the article but I never saw them actually provide an example of him teaching people how to commit actual sexual assault.

Short speech from Blanc about how he ran around, jamming girl's faces into his dick in Japan. The video ends with video of him doing it to Japanese girls who are smiling, but quite obviously out of nervousness, as they try to resist his cock homing hand.

It's not much, but it's mostly because most videos of the stuff have been taking down. You'd be surprised at how many videos have been deleted from online news sources. Wonder why.

Legally speaking, that's not sexual assault. Creepy and fucked up and highly face-punchable? Definitely, but not technically sexual assault: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_assault

I think the guy is a grade A asshole and a country has the right to deny a Visa to anyone, I just think it needs to be careful of going down the road of "well we don't have evidence that you actually committed a crime, but we think what you're saying might lead to a crime, even though there isn't any evidence of that either, so you're not allowed in." Continuing on that path, they could theoretically deny entry to anyone who espoused homophobic views, even on religious grounds, under the basis that it 'encourages homophobic violence'.

Sexual assault, a form of sexual violence, is any involuntary sexual act in which a person is threatened, coerced, or forced to engage against their will, or any non-consensual sexual touching of a person.

Ok, cool. Guess I'm free to grab random women's hands and force them to touch my groin.

The Penal Code also criminalizes ?Forcible Indecency?. Article 176 of the Penal Code provides that ?[a] person who, through assault or intimidation, forcibly commits an indecent act upon a male or female of not less than thirteen years of age shall be punished by imprisonment with work for not less than 6 months but not more than 10 years. The same shall apply to a person who commits an indecent act upon a male or female under thirteen years of age.?

EDIT: That was needlessly snarky. Completely uncalled for.

Think I'll ditch this thread until tomorrow, after some good sleep.

That information provided was incorrect. It is most definitely sexual assault by the medical definition.
http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Sexual+Contact
http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/sexual+assault
This should not be confused, and should be made very clear that any contact with sexual organs without consent even through clothing of victim or perpetrator is sexual assault. Taking any persons body parts and touching the groin IS sexual assault and should never be confused. Thee is no gray area, this is the medical definition used at hospitals to determine whether or not a sexual assault has taken place and is admissible in court. In the US THIS is very much illegal, and the Courts use the medical definition. Simply because not all nations prosecute all forms of sexual assault, does not make it suddenly not sexual assault because this medical definition is used globally.
http://www.justice.gov/ovw/sexual-assault

According to wikipedia, what's going on is sexual assault. I was sarcastically pointing out (And obviously failing) that his own source even labels this as a sexual assault (Specifically, non-consensual sexual contact).

 

[Maze1125]

Continuing on that path, they could theoretically deny entry to anyone who espoused homophobic views, even on religious grounds, under the basis that it 'encourages homophobic violence'.

Sounds good to me.

 

[Lil devils x_v1legacy]

Spoiler

Spoiler: Snip

Interesting. So I'm assuming that Britain will be denying entry to all future immigrants and visitors who show sexist, homophobic, or anti-semitic views?

Also, all this does is help this guy out. Now he can claim his techniques are so effective that they were banned in some countries by man-hating ugly feminists, and people will believe it.

The guy actively encourages people to break the law and commit sexual assault. He teaches how to break the law and GET AWAY WITH IT!

Could you provide an example? I saw that mentioned numerous times in the article but I never saw them actually provide an example of him teaching people how to commit actual sexual assault.

Short speech from Blanc about how he ran around, jamming girl's faces into his dick in Japan. The video ends with video of him doing it to Japanese girls who are smiling, but quite obviously out of nervousness, as they try to resist his cock homing hand.

It's not much, but it's mostly because most videos of the stuff have been taking down. You'd be surprised at how many videos have been deleted from online news sources. Wonder why.

Legally speaking, that's not sexual assault. Creepy and fucked up and highly face-punchable? Definitely, but not technically sexual assault: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_assault

I think the guy is a grade A asshole and a country has the right to deny a Visa to anyone, I just think it needs to be careful of going down the road of "well we don't have evidence that you actually committed a crime, but we think what you're saying might lead to a crime, even though there isn't any evidence of that either, so you're not allowed in." Continuing on that path, they could theoretically deny entry to anyone who espoused homophobic views, even on religious grounds, under the basis that it 'encourages homophobic violence'.

Sexual assault, a form of sexual violence, is any involuntary sexual act in which a person is threatened, coerced, or forced to engage against their will, or any non-consensual sexual touching of a person.

Ok, cool. Guess I'm free to grab random women's hands and force them to touch my groin.

The Penal Code also criminalizes ?Forcible Indecency?. Article 176 of the Penal Code provides that ?[a] person who, through assault or intimidation, forcibly commits an indecent act upon a male or female of not less than thirteen years of age shall be punished by imprisonment with work for not less than 6 months but not more than 10 years. The same shall apply to a person who commits an indecent act upon a male or female under thirteen years of age.?

EDIT: That was needlessly snarky. Completely uncalled for.

Think I'll ditch this thread until tomorrow, after some good sleep.

That information provided was incorrect. It is most definitely sexual assault by the medical definition.
http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Sexual+Contact
http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/sexual+assault
This should not be confused, and should be made very clear that any contact with sexual organs without consent even through clothing of victim or perpetrator is sexual assault. Taking any persons body parts and touching the groin IS sexual assault and should never be confused. Thee is no gray area, this is the medical definition used at hospitals to determine whether or not a sexual assault has taken place and is admissible in court. In the US THIS is very much illegal, and the Courts use the medical definition. Simply because not all nations prosecute all forms of sexual assault, does not make it suddenly not sexual assault because this medical definition is used globally.
http://www.justice.gov/ovw/sexual-assault

According to wikipedia, what's going on is sexual assault. I was sarcastically pointing out (And obviously failing) that his own source even labels this as a sexual assault (Specifically, non-consensual sexual contact).

It is scary to think that anyone did not know this was sexual assault, so I wanted to make sure they understood this point very clearly that it is.

 

[Something Amyss]

Not too sure on that, I spent about 20 seconds on the site trying to find what the hell it was saying before realizing that's exactly what they want, I saw something about women's DNA and how the owner has had 3 girlfriends who had lots of sex with him.

More likely just there to get malware on your PC, I'd rather not go back to find out.

Can't say as I blame you. The sites I saw looked anything but safe. And while I don't know that there's anything wrong, I wouldn't risk it. Still, unless I know they're doing something wrong, it's hard to put them against this douche.

I think the guy is a grade A asshole and a country has the right to deny a Visa to anyone, I just think it needs to be careful of going down the road of "well we don't have evidence that you actually committed a crime, but we think what you're saying might lead to a crime, even though there isn't any evidence of that either, so you're not allowed in." Continuing on that path, they could theoretically deny entry to anyone who espoused homophobic views, even on religious grounds, under the basis that it 'encourages homophobic violence'.

The UK has hate speech laws, right? I'm pretty sure the equivalent here would actually be a crime, so I don't know if the slippery slope fallacy is the way to go on this one.

You know, I've supported the right of some pretty despicable groups to hate gays all they want, including the Westboro Baptist Church. But the equivalent here would be a guy encouraging people to go to a country where, "technically speaking," beating up or even killing gays wasn't a crime. I'm having trouble seeing why not allowing that guy in would be a negative outcome.

 

[Boris Goodenough]

Oh great, now he's coming to Denmark... I don't think we have a histori of banning people from entering

 

[Bat Vader]

Oh great, now he's coming to Denmark... I don't think we have a histori of banning people from entering

Find the plane he is going to be on, wait in front of the gate, and when he steps off punch him in the face.

 

[Boris Goodenough]

Find the plane he is going to be on, wait in front of the gate, and when he steps off punch him in the face.

I think I would do it much smarter, take him to Sweden, get him drunk and make him show me how "it" is done on a Swedish police officer...

 

[Bat Vader]

Find the plane he is going to be on, wait in front of the gate, and when he steps off punch him in the face.

I think I would do it much smarter, take him to Sweden, get him drunk and make him show me how "it" is done on a Swedish police officer...

Is it wrong if I want to replace the officer with Swedish Chef from The Muppets?

 

[verdant monkai]

Quick question.

How the fuck do you trick someone into having sex with you? Surely you just act charming then you ask. Does this guy get girls drunk then have sex with them? because thats not tricking them, thats just taking advantage of the drunk which isn't hard. But seriously how do you go about tricking someone into it? Promise wine gums and a free CD after your done? and then refuse to give them anything? Because if you promise to give someone something in return for sex (who's not a prostitute) they sort of deserve to be duped, man or woman they should be excersising more self control.

Girl: Wow Julien that sex was incredibly average!
Julien: I know baby
Girl: So where are my free wine gums and CD?
Julien: *leans in close* I tricked you... there are no wine gums or CD.

 

[Boris Goodenough]

Find the plane he is going to be on, wait in front of the gate, and when he steps off punch him in the face.

I think I would do it much smarter, take him to Sweden, get him drunk and make him show me how "it" is done on a Swedish police officer...

Is it wrong if I want to replace the officer with Swedish Chef from The Muppets?

Sadly I don't think that would make my plan work, also I should get him drunk in Denmark and then taking him to Sweden, since alcohol is so expensive in Sweden... Or at least bring alcohol from Denmark.

 

[Gordon_4_v1legacy]

Meh, the UK Customs and Immigration are within their sovereign rights to deny any passenger entry to their country. It can be petty, nonsensical, stupid or even downright outrageous but it is their right. Besides, it's probably easier than to refuse him entry than to let him come here and run the risk of a fiasco if someone tries to prosecute him under hate speech legislation.

 

[Lieju]

Quick question.

How the fuck do you trick someone into having sex with you? Surely you just act charming then you ask. Does this guy get girls drunk then have sex with them? because thats not tricking them, thats just taking advantage of the drunk which isn't hard. But seriously how do you go about tricking someone into it? Promise wine gums and a free CD after your done? and then refuse to give them anything? Because if you promise to give someone something in return for sex (who's not a prostitute) they sort of deserve to be duped, man or woman they should be excersising more self control.

Girl: Wow Julien that sex was incredibly average!
Julien: I know baby
Girl: So where are my free wine gums and CD?
Julien: *leans in close* I tricked you... there are no wine gums or CD.

It's really about pressuring more than tricking (although getting close to women on false pretenses can be a part of it), finding women who are less likely to press charges or feel like they shouldn't say no, and in his case, fleeing the country before the charges on sexual assault can be pressed.

In any case, he is NOT advocating 'being charming and asking'.