Piracy encourages innovation?

[Eponet]

I was reading through some articles about how The PC is concidered to be one of the best platforms for releasing games for new developers due to the low barriers of entry, and that it allows them to be more experimental with their games and a guide about the problems of piracy to the industry, something weird occured to me.

Piracy encourages innovation?

It's a widely know fact that the more popular a game is, the more likely it is that it will be cracked immediately and be pirated by many incredibly rapidly. As such, it seems like it would actually act as something of a leveler in this regard.

'Safe' games tend to succeed through marketing and excitement before anything actually happens, which is also one of the things that increases the rate at which piracy occurs, while experimental games tend to be a lot more polarised. A failed experiment might be a flop, but chances are that crackers are going to overlook it if it truely id terrible, while successful experimental games tends to gather a sort of cult status where the fans want to support the developer.

Looking at it, it seems as though piracy actually discourages mass market appeal, and instead encourages more experimental, niche titles. Looking though it, it seems to make some sort of sense, but it just feels wrong.

 

[The Rockerfly]

Man you have one broken poll..

 

[SomeLameStuff]

It may. Most of my friends pirate generic games like CoD or Far Cry 2 because they have a limited budget (Not me, back then I was rolling in cash). If games were less generic, some pirates may in time come to buy it.

Of course they will be those who pirate it anyway. Free stuff, who doesn't want that?

 

[Eponet]

Poll: Poll: and yet no poll!

Man you have one broken poll..

Whoops. The poll was supposed to be "Am I just being crazy?"

If anyone actually replies to that, I'll tally the votes manually.

 

[MarcFirewing]

It's a little from both column a and b on this matter.

Piracy itself doesn't encourage innovation, PC games itself does. Pirating a game is merely getting a copy of the install CD and a crack and then playing it without the code or paying for it. The fact that you can go into the Game folder and tweak with shit makes it possible to be innovative with it.

However, if you're talking about Piracy of the actual code, which is still wrong in many ways, then yeah sure it's innovation. You can actually open the files and mess around.

Sorry this isn't really a topic that can actually be covered in the way I believe you're thinking.

 

[TheComedown]

Poll: Poll: and yet no poll!

You may have a point there. But as usual all the over the top anti-pirate douchebags will totally ignore the point of your post and claim its just another "bullshit" excuse.
I will never understand what it is about "anti-pirates" that always results is such over the top douchebag behaviour especially since most of them are just pirates of a different flavour anyway.

Wait what? Anti pirates are actually pirates? How so? I don't get it.

Well it is a bullshit excuse, the industry should not need something as damaging as piracy to create innovation. This is more of a developers being lazy thing rather then a pro for piracy.

 

[aPod]

I am too poor to buy movies music and games, I pirate, if anyone thinks that means I shouldn't get to experience the media at no cost to anyone, you only believe so because you want to have what others don't and that is due to your weirdly small member!

What have you heard about my member?

This has to be the worst pro-pirate argument i have ever heard. People who buy games legitimately are snobbing you? It's such a sound argument I can't believe the pirate party hasn't adopted it as a slogan. Do you know how much a game cost? On average $60 brand spanking new... if you saved 2 dollars everyday for a month you could buy that game brand spanking new... or you could wait several months and buy it for significantly cheaper.

No sir! I say it is you pirates who are snobs, you put your fingers in everything and play it until you are bored with it, promising to purchase it if its good, and then cast it away and pirate another game because even though you love that game, and you played 150 hours of it, it still wasn't good enough for you to save up some money to buy it, even at a discount.

Plus I don't know how poor you are if you have a computer that can play the games that come out now, and can afford to pay for an internet subscription, but golly jee willikers... your wallet just happens to be empty when you visit a torrenting site.

And you OP, piracy does not encourage innovation, it encourages more piracy and lost profits. Loss of profits = less risk taking by developers. Less Risk on New IP's seems like exactly the opposite no?

 

[TheComedown]

I am too poor to buy movies music and games, I pirate, if anyone thinks that means I shouldn't get to experience the media at no cost to anyone, you only believe so because you want to have what others don't and that is due to your weirdly small member!

Wow you may want to re write that to make sense, although you may not be around long enough, supporting piracy will get you some mod wrath.

Let me try and understanding what your saying anyway. Because you can't afford movies or games its ok to pirate them? No. It doesn't work like that. Because I can't afford a BMW does that mean I can go out and steal one? No, I don't have a right to drive, let alone a right to a nice car, its a privilege. You don't have a right to play games or watch movies, its not a right, you don't have to play or watch anything, go outside, kick a ball, climb a tree whatever, you DON'T have to play games or watch films.

 

[SonicWaffle]

Piracy does encourage innovation. Developers and publishers are going to have to be really innovative to create anti-piracy measures that actually work

 

[Tipsy Giant]

I am too poor to buy movies music and games, I pirate, if anyone thinks that means I shouldn't get to experience the media at no cost to anyone, you only believe so because you want to have what others don't and that is due to your weirdly small member!

Wow you may want to re write that to make sense, although you may not be around long enough, supporting piracy will get you some mod wrath.

Let me try and understanding what your saying anyway. Because you can't afford movies or games its ok to pirate them? No. It doesn't work like that. Because I can't afford a BMW does that mean I can go out and steal one? No, I don't have a right to drive, let alone a right to a nice car, its a privilege. You don't have a right to play games or watch movies, its not a right, you don't have to play or watch anything, go outside, kick a ball, climb a tree whatever, you DON'T have to play games or watch films.

But if I steal that car the dude whos car it is doesn't have a car anymore, if I torrent a movie for example, who finds out? I always go to the cinema to watch movies i'm excited about but if it just came out online and isn't available another way and I wanna see it, whos to stop me?

 

[Tipsy Giant]

I am too poor to buy movies music and games, I pirate, if anyone thinks that means I shouldn't get to experience the media at no cost to anyone, you only believe so because you want to have what others don't and that is due to your weirdly small member!

What have you heard about my member?

This has to be the worst pro-pirate argument i have ever heard. People who buy games legitimately are snobbing you? It's such a sound argument I can't believe the pirate party hasn't adopted it as a slogan. Do you know how much a game cost? On average $60 brand spanking new... if you saved 2 dollars everyday for a month you could buy that game brand spanking new... or you could wait several months and buy it for significantly cheaper.

No sir! I say it is you pirates who are snobs, you put your fingers in everything and play it until you are bored with it, promising to purchase it if its good, and then cast it away and pirate another game because even though you love that game, and you played 150 hours of it, it still wasn't good enough for you to save up some money to buy it, even at a discount.

Plus I don't know how poor you are if you have a computer that can play the games that come out now, and can afford to pay for an internet subscription, but golly jee willikers... your wallet just happens to be empty when you visit a torrenting site.

And you OP, piracy does not encourage innovation, it encourages more piracy and lost profits. Loss of profits = less risk taking by developers. Less Risk on New IP's seems like exactly the opposite no?

If they want my money, start selling campaign and multiplayer separately, I never play online and am sick of people saying I will get 100s of hours out of a 4 hour campaign (i'm looking at you call of duty)

 

[Anah'ya]

Gah.

... there is no fucking excuse for piracy. And it certainly doesn't encourage innovation. In fact, it eats small studios up alive if their title is interesting enough to be cracked.

I am too poor to buy movies music and games, I pirate, if anyone thinks that means I shouldn't get to experience the media at no cost to anyone, you only believe so because you want to have what others don't and that is due to your weirdly small member!

Sorry. But if you can't afford it then you have no entitlement to own it. That guy busting in a window and lifting a TV from someone else's house isn't going to get excused just cause he "wanted to have the same experience as others" either. And neither should you.

Rent and borrow.

 

[Tipsy Giant]

I will never understand what it is about "anti-pirates" that always results is such over the top douchebag behaviour especially since most of them are just pirates of a different flavour anyway.

Care to expand on this?

You find me a person who claims they have never photocopied a book, downloaded a tv show or song, watched unauthourised AMVs on youtube nor even borrowed a movie/game from a friend thus enjoying the media without paying anyone for it and I will find you a goddamn liar.

Everyone is a pirate to some degree so no one has the right to act so damn high and mighty as though they are better than others.
And sadly gamers are the absolute worst for this deluded bullshit since to them the only piracy that actually counts is games.

I want to make you a crown out of cardboard and glitter, you sir are the KING OF TRUTH!

 

[Tipsy Giant]

Gah.

... there is no fucking excuse for piracy. And it certainly doesn't encourage innovation. In fact, it eats small studios up alive if their title is interesting enough to be cracked.

I am too poor to buy movies music and games, I pirate, if anyone thinks that means I shouldn't get to experience the media at no cost to anyone, you only believe so because you want to have what others don't and that is due to your weirdly small member!

Sorry. But if you can't afford it then you have no entitlement to own it. That guy busting in a window and lifting a TV from someone else's house isn't going to get excused just cause he "wanted to have the same experience as others" either. And neither should you.

Rent and borrow.

I am borrowing it, off of the net



OK SMALL COMPLAINT TIME

Fine you don't like piracy, you are rich I get it, but can you ALL stop using "This guy steals physical object" as an example, Pirates aren't going to shops and stealing the games, they download them without anyone losing anything, the only loss is if the person would have bought the full version anyway and considering that most that download would maybe at best buy the game used, no money for the developer there either, you can stop worrying about sales. For an industry losing to pirates it's strange that MW2 could still sell more than anything ever, not really the sign of a struggling industry

 

[Anah'ya]

You find me a person who claims they have never photocopied a book, downloaded a tv show or song, watched unauthourised AMVs on youtube nor even borrowed a movie/game from a friend thus enjoying the media without paying anyone for it and I will find you a goddamn liar.

Everyone is a pirate to some degree so no one has the right to act so damn high and mighty as though they are better than others.
And sadly gamers are the absolute worst for this deluded bullshit since to them the only piracy that actually counts is games.

Well. Now that you put it like this...
...yes, I do feel as though I am doing something better by actually spending money on a product that I want and I reserve my right to look down upon those that decide to skimp their way through life one way or the other. Be that by refusing to work, stealing or pirating.