Piracy, really such a bad thing?

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terminator320 said:
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davisj3608 said:
I'm just gonna say that I agree. I've had this conversation with countless other pirates, and those opposed to the legal gray area we call copyright infringement, and I've always got the same response - that copyrights are there not to help or benefit the artists (especially when talking about music), but the labels, who are already bloated and rich enough as it is. Now games, on the other hand, are a different matter. In addition to the software bugs you inevitably run into when you run pirated software or games, there usually isn't a third party involved when you get your games. For example, Valve (if I have my information straight) markets and sells their own stuff, so when you go out and buy a copy of L4D (or get it on Steam), all the money goes towards the people that developed and published the game. Or at least most of it. Like I said, I'm not an expert :p
The Orange Box was published by EA, but that is besides the point. Large companies still take advantage of their clientel(Activision). Games just have a smaller percentage of assholes who do that. For the record, games without DRM actually do run better.
it all depends like all the steam games are bad when you pirate them because if it has any multiplayer you can't get the full package plus some crack files are really buggy
Yeah, but Steam doesn't use DRM. For games like Crysis and other processor hungry games, usually run better without it. I believe it was PC gamer that actually did a study on that. I will edit if I find it.
 

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Zeeky_Santos said:
AC10 said:
I'm not going to read the article form some college rag, but pirating stuff is not STEALING, it's copyright infringement, there is a big difference.
it is stealing. it is taking stuff without paying for it. STEALING. piracy is bad news for everyone in the industry. its not just the Hollywood fat cats who have pools full of money who get hurt by piracy, its the little guy, the guy working at the video store or dvd factory or the guy at the cinema who gets hurt. they don't make millions of dollars for every movie, they get low wages, but to them that gets them by. if you pirate a movie you won't have to see it at a cinema (thats one guy who loses wages), you won't need to buy it or rent it from the store(thats another two). now think about the fact that it is not only you who is pirating the movie, think about it, there are hundreds of thousands of people in every country that steal movies thus hurting the little guy who needs the sales.

piracy is stealing. DO NOT DO IT.
No, it's copyright infringement.
Stealing removes the original object. If i steal a loaf of bread the person whose bread it was no longer has it. If I infringe on copyright, I have duplicated a work that is copyrighted, but the original is not removed.
 

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The only games i download are stuff i have no way of getting otherwise. ie. Dragon quest monsters caravan heart and a translater mod, earthbound, stuff that was never released over here. other than that, i tend to avoid it
 

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Zeeky_Santos said:
AC10 said:
Zeeky_Santos said:
AC10 said:
I'm not going to read the article form some college rag, but pirating stuff is not STEALING, it's copyright infringement, there is a big difference.
it is stealing. it is taking stuff without paying for it. STEALING. piracy is bad news for everyone in the industry. its not just the Hollywood fat cats who have pools full of money who get hurt by piracy, its the little guy, the guy working at the video store or dvd factory or the guy at the cinema who gets hurt. they don't make millions of dollars for every movie, they get low wages, but to them that gets them by. if you pirate a movie you won't have to see it at a cinema (thats one guy who loses wages), you won't need to buy it or rent it from the store(thats another two). now think about the fact that it is not only you who is pirating the movie, think about it, there are hundreds of thousands of people in every country that steal movies thus hurting the little guy who needs the sales.

piracy is stealing. DO NOT DO IT.
No, it's copyright infringement.
Stealing removes the original object. If i steal a loaf of bread the person whose bread it was no longer has it. If I infringe on copyright, I have duplicated a work that is copyrighted, but the original is not removed.
stealing is simply not paying for a good or service despite the fact that you have to pay for it. the point its that you are trying to defend something that hurts everybody. it takes money away from people who work hard to earn it. stealing. the service of entertainment through digital media is not your choice of whether to pay or not. if that was the case then i could just take that loaf of bread and no one would be able to stop me.
Where the hell was I DEFENDING it? I was saying it was not THEFT, it's COPYRIGHT INFRINGEMENT, which is still ILLEGAL. They are LEGALLY treated as different acts! You can go ahead and classify it as theft till the cows come home, but the court will classify it as copyright infringement.
 

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well is not would you pirate any more. it is more like, CAN you pirate. Man i use to be able to hack old games like the original StarCraft by my self. (no i don't mean downloading a crack i mean using the damned C++ to override the security measures) but now days, its impossible! now i buy every game I own. for the simple reason that is a freaking hassle to crack the damned things. Also My alienware PC has this weird anti-hacking licensed games built in somehow... I dont know but i know it is the computer, because i am able to do it in another computer in my house with the same OS and the same Patches.
 

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I am in college to become a game designer, I know pirating is never going to stop. But hear me, I am going to make a system that tags you. Just like the explosive ink protectors that clothing stores have. I will tag your computer, Send in police to investigate and get you charged for theft and piracy. simple, I just hope congress doesn't make some bullshit about privacy and shit. all these legal moral crap just makes people that try to enforce law harder. we just need to know now that is worse. game desingers getting your info or them lossing money.
 

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sheic99 said:
terminator320 said:
sheic99 said:
davisj3608 said:
I'm just gonna say that I agree. I've had this conversation with countless other pirates, and those opposed to the legal gray area we call copyright infringement, and I've always got the same response - that copyrights are there not to help or benefit the artists (especially when talking about music), but the labels, who are already bloated and rich enough as it is. Now games, on the other hand, are a different matter. In addition to the software bugs you inevitably run into when you run pirated software or games, there usually isn't a third party involved when you get your games. For example, Valve (if I have my information straight) markets and sells their own stuff, so when you go out and buy a copy of L4D (or get it on Steam), all the money goes towards the people that developed and published the game. Or at least most of it. Like I said, I'm not an expert :p
The Orange Box was published by EA, but that is besides the point. Large companies still take advantage of their clientel(Activision). Games just have a smaller percentage of assholes who do that. For the record, games without DRM actually do run better.
it all depends like all the steam games are bad when you pirate them because if it has any multiplayer you can't get the full package plus some crack files are really buggy
Yeah, but Steam doesn't use DRM. For games like Crysis and other processor hungry games, usually run better without it. I believe it was PC gamer that actually did a study on that. I will edit if I find it.
I am not dissagreeing with you for the most part but steam as a program is drm it is just drm that except for the annoyance of having to have internet to play a game actually works well
 

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Piracy Rules :) I don't remember the last time I paid for Music. Considering my connection speed I rarely download movies, but who cares if a multibillion dollar corporation such as Warner or Microsoft or Sony loose a few bucks?
 

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Nearly all the music I listen to is free so I don't really have this problem with music.
 

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i only purchase music from Canadian artists or Indie artists that actually need our support and can't afford to go on a world tour to make up for the losses from piracy
 

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You know, these ads make me WANT to pirate, just so I don't have to sit through the warning about illegal DVDs that I didn't buy.
 

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If I have no intention of paying for a game, is it still loss of profits? Example- As soon as there is a reliable crack out, I will likely download Weapons Of Fate (the Wanted game), but I would not pay money for it, as the game can be finished in a day, 9 levels long and has been repeatedly called a "mediocre generic shooter" with one slightly non-generic feature (the bullet bending).


Movies... movies I don't understand the worry. If I download a movie, I'm likely to watch it once and delete it. What's the difference between this and SkyMovies? Nothing.
 

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Insomniaku said:
i only purchase music from Canadian artists or Indie artists that actually need our support and can't afford to go on a world tour to make up for the losses from piracy
hehe, II know a lot of local DJs and can just get tons of free mixes from them.
 

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I don't have the money to buy all the games I want, and I don't think most games are worth the price you have to pay for them here. So unless there is something I think is truely worth the money, and I have the money to buy it with, I pirate it.

I don't go out of my way to justify my actions, I know that i'm hurting companies by doing it. What I do know is, i'm just one guy. The money the companies lose is so miniscule it's not even noticeable, so I don't feel particularly bad about it. They're not even nessesarily losing anything because chances are I wouldn't buy these games if I couldn't pirate them.

I don't think piracy has much effect at all, the proof is how much money the companies have. I don't think they need more, to be honest.
 

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Well, I noticed that the article seems to focus on music, but I'd like to talk about game pirating, since that's what most people will think of when they read the topic title.

Let's be not-stupid about this, and put it into perspective.
Let's say a game gets made that took years to make and cost a lot of money. It then costs more money to distribute it on several game consoles in stores across "the" country (whichever country that may be).
And then, nobody buys it. Ever.
Oh, they're playing it. They're loving it! But they're not BUYING it, because, SOMEHOW, everyone in the whole country pirated it. Thus, the company spent all the money to make the game, all the money to distribute it, gets zero dollars for making the game. Game stores don't make any money, but they spent money to get the games, so now the economy is crashing! Oh no! So nobody's making any money for a game that everybody is playing, but they spent all that money making it!
Now obviously there's no way that NOBODY would buy a game that EVERYONE loves, but I'm putting it into perspective to say that,
YEAH,
PIRATING IS A BAD THING.
Doesn't stop people like me from doing it but it hurts the company when people don't pay for the games they paid to make, and it hurts game stores, too.
But to hell with Gamestop. EB Games was better.

When it comes to music, I don't even care. I never buy albums because artists only ever make one good song and then every other song on the album is crap. Most of the songs I like are either singles or they come from video games or they come from artists that don't charge people to download the songs anyway.
 

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Schnippshly said:
Well, I noticed that the article seems to focus on music, but I'd like to talk about game pirating, since that's what most people will think of when they read the topic title.

Let's be not-stupid about this, and put it into perspective.
Let's say a game gets made that took years to make and cost a lot of money. It then costs more money to distribute it on several game consoles in stores across "the" country (whichever country that may be).
And then, nobody buys it. Ever.
Oh, they're playing it. They're loving it! But they're not BUYING it, because, SOMEHOW, everyone in the whole country pirated it. Thus, the company spent all the money to make the game, all the money to distribute it, gets zero dollars for making the game. Game stores don't make any money, but they spent money to get the games, so now the economy is crashing! Oh no! So nobody's making any money for a game that everybody is playing, but they spent all that money making it!
Now obviously there's no way that NOBODY would buy a game that EVERYONE loves, but I'm putting it into perspective to say that,
YEAH,
PIRATING IS A BAD THING.
Doesn't stop people like me from doing it but it hurts the company when people don't pay for the games they paid to make, and it hurts game stores, too.
But to hell with Gamestop. EB Games was better.

When it comes to music, I don't even care. I never buy albums because artists only ever make one good song and then every other song on the album is crap. Most of the songs I like are either singles or they come from video games or they come from artists that don't charge people to download the songs anyway.
What if I pirate a game to try it cause it has no demo?
I've done that. Like with the latest need for speed, played it for 5 minutes before I purged it from my hard drive.

I should also note that if I pirate a game and play it for more than an hour, I buy it out of principle.

I don't know how many people like me there are out there, but if there are any it goes to show that the numbers companies present to you in "what we lost due to piracy" are not right. If anything piracy would gain them sales in my particular case as I ALWAYS try a game before I buy it.
 

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terminator320 said:
orannis62 said:
AC10 said:
I'm not going to read the article form some college rag, but pirating stuff is not STEALING, it's copyright infringement, there is a big difference.
Still illegal though.
ya but there have been many times where I bought legit software but the drm kept it from working on my machine so I had to download an illegal crack of the internet to get it to work and when that is happening you know something went wrong. So I had to break the law to get something I bought to work plus in rainbows by radiohead is an example of the fact that even pirates will pay for music.
I understand that people pirate once the original game doesn't work for some reason. I'm fine with that. It's the people who pirate because they don't want to pay that I have a problem with.

EDIT:Oh, and this [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/editorials/experienced-points/5777-Excuses-on-the-High-Seas] sums up my opinion pretty well, minus what I said above.
EDIT2:Nope, I was wrong, he also summed up what I said.
 

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These anti-piracy ads are whats encouraging piracy
And all of the protection systems to like SECUROM, STAR DEFENCE etc.