Pirate copy of Fallout 3

[Asehujiko]

It's not that you're ever entitled to steal. The other day, I was regaled by the tale from the sister who knew a friend who felt it was okay for her to take a video camera from her employers because they weren't paying her nearly as much as they promised they would. She went to jail. Same principle: no, the law is not on your side to take what you feel entitled to.

Fallacy Alert! Fallacy Alert!

The women in question took a camera that was never part of the deal and the missing money was likely caused by not reading the contract carefully enough or by the economic crisis. She also deprieved her employers from one camera, something that has a tangible effect when they try to use something that isn't there.

Purchasing a game, not getting it and using another way to get it does not involve anything that wasn't part of the deal in the first place nor does it prevent bethesda from selling one copy of the game.

 

[geldonyetich]

It's not that you're ever entitled to steal. The other day, I was regaled by the tale from the sister who knew a friend who felt it was okay for her to take a video camera from her employers because they weren't paying her nearly as much as they promised they would. She went to jail. Same principle: no, the law is not on your side to take what you feel entitled to.

Fallacy Alert! Fallacy Alert!

The women in question took a camera that was never part of the deal and the missing money was likely caused by not reading the contract carefully enough or by the economic crisis. She also deprieved her employers from one camera, something that has a tangible effect when they try to use something that isn't there.

Purchasing a game, not getting it and using another way to get it does not involve anything that wasn't part of the deal in the first place nor does it prevent bethesda from selling one copy of the game.

Fallacy Alert? Grow up.

Actually, considering you're taking a copy from an entirely different party, it's similar to stealing a camera from Bi-Mart because it wasn't available at Target where you purchased it. Sure, the company that made the camera might get their cut, but all the middlemen (the store, those who moved it from the factory to the store, ect) are shorted.

You would go to jail for stealing the camera, good luck arguing otherwise to a judge. You might want to keep discussion with a judge in mind before publicly saying there's ever a case in which you are permitted to steal with your lame-brained, "Fallacy Alerts."

Of course, if you read the rest of my post, you'd see I said "if you legally purchased a registration code, you're pretty much good to go." Digital distribution complicates things: the copy doesn't physically exist for there to be middlemen who are shorted. But then, that's not the part of my message you quoted, is it?

 

[Asehujiko]

It's not that you're ever entitled to steal. The other day, I was regaled by the tale from the sister who knew a friend who felt it was okay for her to take a video camera from her employers because they weren't paying her nearly as much as they promised they would. She went to jail. Same principle: no, the law is not on your side to take what you feel entitled to.

Fallacy Alert! Fallacy Alert!

The women in question took a camera that was never part of the deal and the missing money was likely caused by not reading the contract carefully enough or by the economic crisis. She also deprieved her employers from one camera, something that has a tangible effect when they try to use something that isn't there.

Purchasing a game, not getting it and using another way to get it does not involve anything that wasn't part of the deal in the first place nor does it prevent bethesda from selling one copy of the game.

Fallacy Alert? Grow up.

Actually, considering you're taking a copy from an entirely different party, it's similar to stealing a camera from Bi-Mart because it wasn't available at Target where you purchased it. Sure, the company that made the camera might get their cut, but all the middlemen (the store, those who moved it from the factory to the store, ect) are shorted.

You would go to jail for stealing the camera, good luck arguing otherwise to a judge. You might want to keep discussion with a judge in mind before publicly saying there's ever a case in which you are permitted to steal with your lame-brained, "Fallacy Alerts."

Of course, if you read the rest of my post, you'd see I said "if you legally purchased a registration code, you're pretty much good to go." Digital distribution complicates things: the copy doesn't physically exist for there to be middlemen who are shorted. But then, that's not the part of my message you quoted, is it?

What third party is being shorted here? It isn't the store because they got their money but refused to keep up their part of the deal. Neither is it bethesda because they got their share of the money. There's just one copy of F3 missing from the transaction which is artificialy added in by downloading it. Unless you consider the lost bandwidth for the uploader as "stolen". Futhermore i was adressing you about your fallacy, not the judge. Don't put words into my mouth. The part about digital distribution has nothing to do with this topic and neither does your ranting about "registration codes" which bethesda doesn't use. You either get a disk which allows installs as long as it works or a steam account which allows installs untill it's VAC banned. Finally, the reason i quoted only a part of your post is because i was adressing a point in that part in particular and removed the rest for easier reading for everybody else on the forum.

 

[geldonyetich]

Of course, if you read the rest of my post, you'd see I said "if you legally purchased a registration code, you're pretty much good to go." Digital distribution complicates things: the copy doesn't physically exist for there to be middlemen who are shorted. But then, that's not the part of my message you quoted, is it?

[I have not read this part, and therefore I am replying to you and saying:]
What third party is being shorted here? It isn't the store because they got their money but refused to keep up their part of the deal. Neither is it bethesda because they got their share of the money. There's just one copy of F3 missing from the transaction which is artificialy added in by downloading it. Unless you consider the lost bandwidth for the uploader as "stolen". Futhermore i was adressing you about your fallacy, not the judge. Don't put words into my mouth. The part about digital distribution has nothing to do with this topic and neither does your ranting about "registration codes" which bethesda doesn't use. You either get a disk which allows installs as long as it works or a steam account which allows installs untill it's VAC banned. Finally, the reason i quoted only a part of your post is because i was adressing a point in that part in particular and removed the rest for easier reading for everybody else on the forum.

Blah blah. Learn to read.

I wouldn't be such a douche about this, but you've done this to me twice now - that's two out of two, your not reading the entirety of my last message was responsible for your last tirade as well. I've been on forums long enough to know that if you're not going to bother reading my messages, I could write hundreds and you'd still not know what I'm talking about.

For a recent example, you can see Eggo's attempts to reply to me on his hardware thread [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/9.85390] from yesterday. I spent about a dozen messages trying to explain to him, "Why upgrade your PC hardware when the gaming market is such that you don't require a very up-to-date PC to play the typical PC exclusive (an indy or MMORPG)" and all he heard was, "Durr, PC gaming is doomed, man!"

Frankly, you're proving even worse at exhibiting the patience to read what's written than he was. I can tell from what you've written, because I've read what you've written that you're not reading me at all. I'm not going to argue with a wall of a paragraph based on imaginary sleights.

 

[MercFox1]

You paid for a single copy, and when your copy arrives, you will have two copies.
Regardless of whether you paid for it or not, you paid for a disk, and you did not use that disk to get the usage of this game, it is piracy. The Fallout3 you are playing is not the one you paid for.

That is not accurate; especially so in the digital distribution world, where an argument to that effect would be "You paid for Unreal Tournament 2004 ONCE, so you get to download it ONCE." If he paid for the rights to play Fallout 3, which is what, in essence, each EULA states when you accept it, then you should be able to play it. He does have a cracked copy, but many publishers have stated that cracked copies do not equal pirated copies, as many gamers choose to install No-CD cracks to avoid the disc hassle.

If he's paid for it, and Play.co.uk has been negligent in their dealings, I don't have an issue with this situation. HOWEVER, since he HAS NOT paid for it, he should cancel the deal at Play and acquire it from another source posthaste.

What you are doing, OP, is in effect piracy. If you had paid for it, it would not be (although there is a certain modicum of appropriateness you should follow), but you should immediately ensure that Bethesda is properly compensated for you playing their game without the purchase of said game. Once you do, by all means, enjoy!

 

[johnman]

It has been sorted. I now own a legal copy of Fallout i got pre-owned from play trade. Same price so all is now well. I have finally figured out how to use my play account as well so there shouldnt be a problem again.

 

[The Black Adder]

Ah this game sucks anyway you should just steal it. When Bethesda makes a good game again, like Call of Cthulhu, then they can get some of my money. Do yourself a favor and go to your local software store and look for Fallout 1 and 2 in the bargain bin for 10 bucks. Or you could just play Oblivion while sprinkling mud on your screen and turning of all the trees and vegetation.

 

[Valiance]

I think you're entitled to it, but if you were brought into a court, they would not be on your side.

 

[Asehujiko]

Of course, if you read the rest of my post, you'd see I said "if you legally purchased a registration code, you're pretty much good to go." Digital distribution complicates things: the copy doesn't physically exist for there to be middlemen who are shorted. But then, that's not the part of my message you quoted, is it?

[I have not read this part, and therefore I am replying to you and saying:]
What third party is being shorted here? It isn't the store because they got their money but refused to keep up their part of the deal. Neither is it bethesda because they got their share of the money. There's just one copy of F3 missing from the transaction which is artificialy added in by downloading it. Unless you consider the lost bandwidth for the uploader as "stolen". Futhermore i was adressing you about your fallacy, not the judge. Don't put words into my mouth. The part about digital distribution has nothing to do with this topic and neither does your ranting about "registration codes" which bethesda doesn't use. You either get a disk which allows installs as long as it works or a steam account which allows installs untill it's VAC banned. Finally, the reason i quoted only a part of your post is because i was adressing a point in that part in particular and removed the rest for easier reading for everybody else on the forum.

Blah blah. Learn to read.

I wouldn't be such a douche about this, but you've done this to me twice now - that's two out of two, your not reading the entirety of my last message was responsible for your last tirade as well. I've been on forums long enough to know that if you're not going to bother reading my messages, I could write hundreds and you'd still not know what I'm talking about.

For a recent example, you can see Eggo's attempts to reply to me on his hardware thread [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/9.85390] from yesterday. I spent about a dozen messages trying to explain to him, "Why upgrade your PC hardware when the gaming market is such that you don't require a very up-to-date PC to play the typical PC exclusive (an indy or MMORPG)" and all he heard was, "Durr, PC gaming is doomed, man!"

Frankly, you're proving even worse at exhibiting the patience to read what's written than he was. I can tell from what you've written, because I've read what you've written that you're not reading me at all. I'm not going to argue with a wall of a paragraph based on imaginary sleights.

You never posted anything helpful in that thread at all. When somebody asks for comments about their new rig, that means they want comments on their new rig and not some random blabbering about how there aren't any pc exclusives with high system requirements lately.

 

[geldonyetich]

You never posted anything helpful in that thread at all. When somebody asks for comments about their new rig, that means they want comments on their new rig and not some random blabbering about how there aren't any pc exclusives with high system requirements lately.

Funny enough, I thought that was what the thread was about. I looked again I found out that it was a thread about a general hardware website he put up. So, here's the ironic part, you come here to call me out about that and you're suffering from the same first mistake I made.

So, I guess the lesson here is that we're all really bad at reading. Perhaps an issue of 21st century information overload. Still, if I'm expecting meaningful communication, I guess my expectations are too high for the average forum. Perhaps even for the average human being.

 

[Theissen]

You paid for it, and you didn't get it. You're completely justified in pirating it.

You ordered the game.

You paid for the game.

You now own the game, even though you don't have the concrete game in your hands.

In my country, you are allowed to have as many copies of owned games/CD's as you like.

You downloaded a copy of the game, which is the same as copying it yourself.

Hence, you are not pirating.

To me, since the games companies decided we are paying for the licence rights to play the game, and not actually buying the game, he's perfectly fine, he's paid for the licence to play the game and he's playing it.

I'm sure legally they could find a way to nail him, but it'd be a terrible waste of resources with massive duplicating runs going on, and huge torrent sites etc, etc.

to me, if you've paid, you have NO reason to feel guilty, but every reason to keep your anti virus and firewall up to date.

Whoa Whoa Whoa?!? Just because you couldn't game you've taken to a life a pillage and plunder on the high seas?!


Oh...nevermind, ummm ya it's fine you paid for it.

People, listen. He has not paid for the game. Play do not charge until orders are actually sent. I think a quick look at a bank statement will confirm this.

And even if he has been charged, it does not give him the right to download a pirate copy of the game - he has paid for the right to install the software from the media provided in the box, which he has not yet received.

Even if Play have charged him without sending the game, which is extremely unlikely, he still does not have the right to download it. The correct course of action is to contact Play to chase the status of the order, and have resend or refund it if necessary.

Let's imagine the actual product is never sent. Are you going to allow Play to keep the money for something you never received? No, that would be ridiculous - you contact them and sort the mess out.

Of course, this makes all the difference.

IF Play has withdrawn money for Fallout 3, he owns the intellectual property for Fallout 3. Thus he does nothing illegal in downloading a copy from another site, as long as he only uses it himself. The download provider, however, is doing something illegal. He distributes a copy of the game, which isn't legal. The OP also owns one (1) unique serial code, which he also is entitled to have.

IF Play hasn't withdrawn money for Fallout 3, he isn't entitled to anything.

Whether or not he has the copy or not doesn't matter. What matters is whether he has paid or not. And by "has paid", I mean money has been transferred from buyer to seller.