Pissed at my English teacher, justified?
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No, you have no right to be upset about the situation.
You should have asked your teacher if she would accept video games as "art".
If she was one of those, "art" is everything people, then she would have had nothing to say.
Fortunately for the world, it would appear that she has higher criteria for art, and has rightly rejected the idea that a group of people writing software is "art".
Considering that you didn't complete the assignment as instructed, and she still gave you an 85%, I would say you came out of the situation on top.
You should have asked your teacher if she would accept video games as "art".
If she was one of those, "art" is everything people, then she would have had nothing to say.
Fortunately for the world, it would appear that she has higher criteria for art, and has rightly rejected the idea that a group of people writing software is "art".
Considering that you didn't complete the assignment as instructed, and she still gave you an 85%, I would say you came out of the situation on top.
You should argue with her! Art isn't something that just covers certain concepts. Art is an expression of emotions or feelings that comes from your soul, and if you feel that video games are an art, so be it! One could argue that teabagging freshly decimated corpses in halo is an art! You should certainly argue with her.
bullshit she shouldn't grade something based on personal preferences IMHO EVERYTHING can be art
Eh, we're all going to be against the teacher here. I don't think she has any right to dock your grade for anything so subjective though. Personally if I'd gone that route, I'd have taken a bit to explain what exactly was artistic about Pokemon Red, just knowing that it's probably outside the scope of her understanding.
For instance, I did a paper on social inequalities (where the prompt was a "book or movie"), and two of my topics were Tactics Ogre and Persona 4. I spent a little longer than I did on the books and movies on my paper explaining the settings, mostly to illuminate how similar they were in terms of analyzable stories. Granted, my teacher was one of the more understanding ones I think are out there, but since most college professors know next to nothing about vidya gaims, the little extra effort can help.
Anyways, if it's that big a part of your grade, definitely bring it up to someone. It shouldn't be hard to overturn it, but it might strain your relationship with the professor for the rest of the year.
For instance, I did a paper on social inequalities (where the prompt was a "book or movie"), and two of my topics were Tactics Ogre and Persona 4. I spent a little longer than I did on the books and movies on my paper explaining the settings, mostly to illuminate how similar they were in terms of analyzable stories. Granted, my teacher was one of the more understanding ones I think are out there, but since most college professors know next to nothing about vidya gaims, the little extra effort can help.
Anyways, if it's that big a part of your grade, definitely bring it up to someone. It shouldn't be hard to overturn it, but it might strain your relationship with the professor for the rest of the year.
Fight her on it. If you truly believe that something is art, then there is nobody on this planet or in the entirety of existence that can say otherwise. She is wrong to be so dismissive of something that has had such a large impact on your life, and she has no right to dock you marks simply because she doesn't share your point of view.
Yes, you are absolutely justified in being pissed. That's a huge chunk of grade to take off because of her own ignorance, and you should not put up with it. Just make sure you're tactful about it- going in angry and just straight-up demanding a better grade will just piss her off and then she'll probably take further disciplinary action. Be as civil and rational as you can possibly be.
Also, nice choice on Red. Pokémon is definitely art, no matter what the popular opinion of it is.
Also, nice choice on Red. Pokémon is definitely art, no matter what the popular opinion of it is.
Absofuckinglutely. Take it up with her. I won't call every game out there art (in the same way that I won't call every film, novel, or painting art), but there are games out there that are indisputably works of art. Educate her.
i'm inclined to agree with your teacher.
if pokemon red got you into technology it wasn't the piece as a work of art tha got you into technology (i may not know a great deal about pokemon but i sure as shit know its got fuck all to coment on technology in a deep or affecting manner)it was the fact that it was piece of technology. the engineering not the art in it got you into technology. the art side of pokemon red had no impact on technology becomeing prevalent in your life the technology powering pokemon red did.
in gaming its a fine line but i don't see how pokemon red equates somehow to a burgeoning desire for technological knowledge.
firstly if you're arguing with the old guard of art you can't leave room for them to manuvre, and you most certainly did. Because even if technology was an overriding technique in Pokemon red it is readily apparent that it would not be an overiding theme (even to the lay man) because of the nature of the piece being about human coexistantce with the power of the natural.
Furthermore it seems you've equated art which is technological to being about technology which is not the case. Art is cerebral and taking the physicality at face value dosn't endeer the traditional art world to us as a medium because that is a shallow line of thought.
the novel Moby dick isn't about isn't about printmaking because its printed on paper, or is it? No of course not you fool.
of course i'm ranting and drunk but a gamer who cares should be aspiring for more and be ready to accept we will not always be welcome in the halls of art's classical pillars. At leats for now.
if pokemon red got you into technology it wasn't the piece as a work of art tha got you into technology (i may not know a great deal about pokemon but i sure as shit know its got fuck all to coment on technology in a deep or affecting manner)it was the fact that it was piece of technology. the engineering not the art in it got you into technology. the art side of pokemon red had no impact on technology becomeing prevalent in your life the technology powering pokemon red did.
in gaming its a fine line but i don't see how pokemon red equates somehow to a burgeoning desire for technological knowledge.
firstly if you're arguing with the old guard of art you can't leave room for them to manuvre, and you most certainly did. Because even if technology was an overriding technique in Pokemon red it is readily apparent that it would not be an overiding theme (even to the lay man) because of the nature of the piece being about human coexistantce with the power of the natural.
Furthermore it seems you've equated art which is technological to being about technology which is not the case. Art is cerebral and taking the physicality at face value dosn't endeer the traditional art world to us as a medium because that is a shallow line of thought.
the novel Moby dick isn't about isn't about printmaking because its printed on paper, or is it? No of course not you fool.
of course i'm ranting and drunk but a gamer who cares should be aspiring for more and be ready to accept we will not always be welcome in the halls of art's classical pillars. At leats for now.
Honestly? You should have written an extra paragraph explaining why do you consider games to be art. Don't expect a high school teacher who probably played no more than 3 games in her life (including Tetris and Solitare) to agree with you without you giving some kind of justification for your views.renegade7 said:
Besides, it's just school, get over it.
Fuck your teacher dude. I really dont think she has ANY place to say video games arent art. Especially since in Contemporary Art people put a friggin toilet seat on a pedestal and claimed it was art, and other asshats agreed. Go to your counselor and anyone else to put your english teacher down. If she agreed it was well written but took off because she doesnt consider something art, then yeah, you deserve a higher grade.renegade7 said:
Whether Pokemon is art or not is purely subjective. If this (http://www.howard-hodgkin.com/photos/PA144.jpg) is art then why not Pokemon? He has every right to argue that his points shouldn't have been taken off.The Madman said: