Planescape Torment remake possibly coming after Baldur's Gate remakes.

[Terrible Opinions]

You mention showing Anas tail stopping via cinematography. Sure, that's possible. But really, games are so very ham fisted when it comes to that. Try as devs might, subtlety is quite outside their reach. Aside from that, some people might not pick up on it. If you're making a game as literary as PS:T you're doing yourself a disservice by relying on dodgy animations and cinematography.

"People often do it poorly" is not an excuse to not do it at all. People can do it well. Half-Life 2 is getting on in years, and look how well animated things like Dog and the hunters are. Fluid, believable models, animations, camera work, etc. are not so outside our grasp anymore. You do yourself a far great disservice by not trying to improve. Any time a non-word is capable of conveying a point as well as a word, the non-word is superior. "Perfection is attained not when there is nothing more to add, but when there is nothing more to remove" and all that shit.

If you're worried about "people not picking up on it", then... well, fuck 'em. There's a lot in PST that people might not pick up on.

 

[pilouuuu]

That'd be great. Baldur's Gate and Planescape are two games that I just can't get into due to its dated looks, even with high resolutions mods.

 

[Vegosiux]

Any time a non-word is capable of conveying a point as well as a word, the non-word is superior.

No, not "any time". Sometimes, I prefer words over non-words. Just because gamers these days are too lazy to read doesn't mean everything should be delivered to them on a platter.

Seriously, playing something like PS: T or BG for the looks is like watching porn for the story. Sure, okay if it's there but that's not why you actually do it.

 

[Terrible Opinions]

Any time a non-word is capable of conveying a point as well as a word, the non-word is superior.

No, not "any time". Sometimes, I prefer words over non-words. Just because gamers these days are too lazy to read doesn't mean everything should be delivered to them on a platter.

Seriously, playing something like PS: T or BG for the looks is like watching porn for the story. Sure, okay if it's there but that's not why you actually do it.

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I'm not getting through. Damn "words".

Look. You should not equate "portraying emotion and action through non-verbal means" with "I like pretty looking things". That's a bizarre misrepresentation of what I've been saying. This has nothing to do with laziness or "gamers these days" or any of that shit. It has everything to do with the most effective way to say what you want to say. Showing someone crying is better than telling me someone is crying. Showing me someone acting in fear is better than telling me that they're afraid. Showing me the air distort around the dustie's furnace is better than telling me how hot it is. Pretty pictures do not enter in to it.

"Show don't tell is not a hard rule," someone said, and that's true. Telling has its use. Specifically, when you want to get through something quickly without any elaboration, you tell. That is not what PST used its descriptive text for. Showing creates drama. Showing creates emotional connection. There is room for show.

 

[Vegosiux]

Showing creates drama. Showing creates emotional connection. There is room for show.

Yes, because it does it for you, it must do it for everyone, right?

Okay, example. Oh, let's take LOTR. Let's say the ents' assault on Isengard. Looked damn good in the movie, didn't it? Why, yes, yes it did, it got the epicness across and all.

But I still prefer the "told" story from the book, for what is basically the same scene. Non-verbal communication is not always better for everyone. I like using my imagination to create my own pictures (for the lack of a better word) about what's going on. If I get a picture, I'm limited by what I see. If I get words, I can picture something a lot more vivid, and a lot more personal.

EDIT: Did I just effectively say "I get high on reading stuff"? *laugh*

I'm not on a crusade against visual portrayal of things. What I'm saying is that I'm damn well certain that it would make PS: T a lot less impressive to me, a lot more limited.

And yeah, that "lazy gamers" comment might have been out of place when replying to you. I don't think it's completely out of place in general though.

 

[Terrible Opinions]

Escapist just ate my post.

I have an angry in my unhappiness bone.

 

[80Maxwell08]

That would be neat. Though I'm still confused about BG3. What's the point? The game ended... it's... over. Either you ascended and became a god or you decided not to and just moved on.

The point is probably money. Though considering Beamdog said this rather than Atari/Hasbro (whoever is funding this) it either means they really want to make an old school RPG in the same universe or they are being told to just say positive things. I would go with the former since BG3 is where BG fans tend to split in opinions. Still it's almost certainly going to be another old school style RPG so there is that.

 

[Cowabungaa]

sounds nice. the graphics of the original are dated. very very very dated. I still play through the game every now and again, but bringing it up to BG1 or even BG2 wouldn't be a bad thing.

To be honest, the art style made up for the old graphics. It's the battle system they really need to revamp a bit. While combat isn't the biggest part of the game, I still think it should be better than the clunky mess we have now.

Which reminds me, I actually have to finish Planescape still.

 

[Verzin]

sounds nice. the graphics of the original are dated. very very very dated. I still play through the game every now and again, but bringing it up to BG1 or even BG2 wouldn't be a bad thing.

To be honest, the art style made up for the old graphics. It's the battle system they really need to revamp a bit. While combat isn't the biggest part of the game, I still think it should be better than the clunky mess we have now.

Which reminds me, I actually have to finish Planescape still.

yeah. the combat was pretty clunky. Still, I hope you finish the game. The plot is amazing. It only gets better and better.

 

[Lunar Templar]

I'll be honest and just say that it seems a little pointless, as planescape was all about the story and not the graphics / gameplay. I don't see the point in fixing whats not broken.

Even though the graphics are outdated I still don't see anything wrong with them. To me the only thing that could get redone better is the combat.
Also with Obsidian saying they might do kickstarter program to make a Planscape sequel it wouldn't be a bad thing!

if its all about the story and the graphics/gameplay dont bother you why fear an update at all so long as the story is intact youd enjoy it just as much right?.

i thought the same thing once, then ... the DS remake of Lufia 2 happened .... and it was HORRABLE.

so long as they stay true to the orginal and just fix bugs and add a fresh coat of paint, sure no problem .... >.> but it is wise to worry about people tamper with a classic

 

[standokan]

Great, I've always wanted to play it but never really could get to it.

Same for Baldurs Gate.