PlayStation CEO Hopes 2008 Was "As Bad As it Gets"

[Ashbax]

I must agree. It is pointless and childish to fight over consoles. We should all be sensible, civil, and mature.

Indeed:

It's not that hard guys, really, it's not.

We are all gamers. What we need is some solidarity.

It's not all their fault. The Escapist seems to think flamebait is in this season because we've been seeing a lot of topics like this that cause one group of fanboys to become defensive and another to become smug dbags.

You shouldn't get defensive unless you think you were overcharged for your ps3 and you shouldn't be a smug if you have a 360 that's likely to melt any day now.

They don't have to get defensive and offensive when reading the articles. They could act like mature and civil people.

Aye, they COULD, but remember, this site is about 65% X360 and Ps3 Fanboys, so... T_T its hard to keep things civil sometimes.

Love the picture btw, really makes you wish things were more like that

*sigh* Honestly, with all the arguements ever made, ive come to the conclusion that the 360 and Ps3 are, amazingly (as this is rare in the videogame industry...) absolutely even, and equal. The 360 has better online service when you pay for gold service, but the Ps3 online is free, the 360 has more exclusives right now, but the Ps3 is getting even quite soon, and even considering the money MS and Sony are making, because while the 360 gets more sales, the ps3 costs more, evening out their income a bit.

So...they are pretty even as consoles. Although if made to choose, id say 360, just because I have that little fanboy in the back of my head trying to break free...though, in fairness, I cattle prod him every four hours, so he cant bother me much >

 

[Cowabungaa]

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Again, you not liking those games was never the point, nor the fact that the games you didn't like were good or populair, so why you're still bringing it up is beyond me.

What was the point, is the reasons why simply didn't make any sense. If you claim to really like innovation, I don't expect Ratchet & Clank and Armored Core 4 in that list. Yet the list of games you dislike contain games with very original content: Bioshock's setting (the story and basic gameplay didn't change much from System Shock 2), Condemned as a whole, etc. It doesn't add up, and when I ask for an explanation you get all defensive and talk about your rights and stuff, like you're trying to defend liking certain games. I don't see why you would need to do that.

Anyway, back on the subject at hand, the innovation argument. First of all, innovative and good aren't the same thing. You say that you can find something original, and that I can find it stupid. That's right, but that doesn't make the game less original, even though I would think it was stupid. Like Mirror's Edge. I really don't like that game (it makes me ragequit), but that doesn't make it less innovative and original. It's the same the other way around, and that's why your argument confused me so much. Sometimes you just don't change a winning formula, the Armored Core series is an example of that, 4 barely changed compared with 3.

That's all fine, obviously, but it doesn't add up with your "I like original games" argument. And that's when we end up with a void: I still have no idea why you really dislike all those other games, and like those other games, while I don't see any reason to not be open about your taste. If you, for example, responded to Bioshock with emm.. "I really don't like art deco" or something like that, well that would've made it perfectly clear wouldn't it? Saying "I really like giant mechs" would've explained why you dig Armored Core 4, even though it didn't innovate over Armored Core 3. I see plenty of reasons to dislike Condemned or No More Heroes, but instead you're making a very flawed argument. That leaves me confused.

Yet you skipped over it completely and took his side. I guess you just enjoy insulting people. I wish we could've had a simple discussion, but it had to turn into an insult fest.

Just know I won't return the insult. I'm sorry if my opinion gets me called a toddler and a Sony fanboy.

The fact that he was wrong in that part, doesn't mean he was wrong in everything. Why I skipped it, I think I overlooked it, or entered the discussion at a later point. But that doesn't make him right, obviously. Dismissing all PS3 exclusives as rubbish is nonsense.

Plus it wasn't an insult, but the statement of a fact, nor was I calling you a toddler. It's toddlers and children who use the "But he did it too!" defence, and I doubt you are a toddler or a little child (see how I'm not calling you a toddler, but rather the opposite?) and that's why it's strange why you would still use that defence. It's not like the defence grew any stronger over the years, it's still worthless.

 

[GonzoGamer]

I must agree. It is pointless and childish to fight over consoles. We should all be sensible, civil, and mature.

Indeed:

It's not that hard guys, really, it's not.

We are all gamers. What we need is some solidarity.

It's not all their fault. The Escapist seems to think flamebait is in this season because we've been seeing a lot of topics like this that cause one group of fanboys to become defensive and another to become smug dbags.

You shouldn't get defensive unless you think you were overcharged for your ps3 and you shouldn't be a smug if you have a 360 that's likely to melt any day now.

They don't have to get defensive and offensive when reading the articles. They could act like mature and civil people.

These are gamers you're talking about here, I'm not saying we can't be mature and civil but gamers are the biggest suckers on the face of the planet (no offense to the few savvy consumers here) and can't resist falling into a pr trap.

True, I still believe they could exercise restraint.

Sure they could (anything's possible) but they wont.

It's kind of like politics, you have one side that gets you by without heartache but doesn't really do anything more than what's needed (D) and another side that makes themselves very busy but they're ultimately defective (R): guess which is which. Neither side has the talent or insight to lead only the talent for convincing everybody that the other side can't, and as Mencken said, both are right on that account. So neither are ever satisfying but are able to convince their constituents/fanboys (usually the same breed of suckers; the kind of people cult leaders look for) that they are "on your side." and anyone that doesn't follow them should be ridiculed at best.

 

[Bat Vader]

I must agree. It is pointless and childish to fight over consoles. We should all be sensible, civil, and mature.

Indeed:

It's not that hard guys, really, it's not.

We are all gamers. What we need is some solidarity.

It's not all their fault. The Escapist seems to think flamebait is in this season because we've been seeing a lot of topics like this that cause one group of fanboys to become defensive and another to become smug dbags.

You shouldn't get defensive unless you think you were overcharged for your ps3 and you shouldn't be a smug if you have a 360 that's likely to melt any day now.

They don't have to get defensive and offensive when reading the articles. They could act like mature and civil people.

These are gamers you're talking about here, I'm not saying we can't be mature and civil but gamers are the biggest suckers on the face of the planet (no offense to the few savvy consumers here) and can't resist falling into a pr trap.

True, I still believe they could exercise restraint.

Sure they could (anything's possible) but they wont.

It's kind of like politics, you have one side that gets you by without heartache but doesn't really do anything more than what's needed (D) and another side that makes themselves very busy but they're ultimately defective (R): guess which is which. Neither side has the talent or insight to lead only the talent for convincing everybody that the other side can't, and as Mencken said, both are right on that account. So neither are ever satisfying but are able to convince their constituents/fanboys (usually the same breed of suckers; the kind of people cult leaders look for) that they are "on your side." and anyone that doesn't follow them should be ridiculed at best.

I stay out if politics. If anything I am heavily Liberal. If they could exercise restraint I believe they should. I don't mean to make big deal about this.

I just hate flame wars and non-civil arguments.

 

[IsoNeko]

"I feel like the PS3 is perfectly positioned. You like playing DVDs, but you're not ready for Blu-ray? Fine, our machine plays them," he continued. "Are you interested in disc-based content, or digital content? Because we can play both. And we can stream digital downloads of TV shows and movies in standard definition or high definition. So whatever the argument is, I feel like the PS3 is perfectly positioned to be the toll booth that everybody runs through."

You mean like the 360's been doing for a while now? Minus the Blu-Ray part?

Utterly irrelevant, and the downfall of that entire arguement.

 

[Pendragon9]

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Look, I get what you're saying, that I should give these games a try.

But the point is, I'm not trying them right now. Maybe if I get a little spare money later on, i might try them out. BUT NOT NOW. Okay? Everyone on this site apparently has a right to insult Sony and everything they make and all the fans, so I have a right to not want to play certain games. Look, just drop it! Yeesh!

I happen to like certain games over others. If you can't grasp that, then this argument will never end. The reasons I gave for not wanting to play the other games, for example, were blanket statements. There's so much more that I could tell you that would explain why I didn't shell out money for them, but I won't.

You'll never convince me that the games I like aren't innovative or original. To me, games like Armored core are better than any other game. That's my opinion, and you can't change it. You can try, but you'll never succeed. No matter what point you bring up, or what nonsense you spew, I'm not changing my mind. I just like giant robots whaling on eachother with explosions and whatnot. That's what I find fun.

You are in the wrong right now because you are not allowing me my opinion. Nowhere on this site did I say "Bioshock and Fallout3 are horrible games". I just simply said they don't catch my interest. Like how Yahtzee dislikes about all JRPGs. But nobody calls that into question, even though there are plenty of JRPGs out there worth a try. Why can't the same happen here?

Again, I don't really dislike the games you brought up. I just don't want to play them. There. That's all there is to it. It could be a combination of me not having the money to buy every single game out there and the games just feeling too serious for me to have any fun.

So get used to it. Stop telling me what's good and what isn't. You can call me stubborn, but I'm not gonna just give up what I find fun. Okay?

Now drop the subject and move on. There's nothing to talk about here. I just want this to end but you keep on arguing. Why am I not allowed to have my own opinions on a game? Hmm?

And you know what? You may dislike the reasons I gave for not playing those games, but they're still my reasons. And I'm entitled to them. Not everybody will like them, and clearly I'm one of them. If you're telling me I'm not allowed to dislike a game because of a personal opinion, you're no better than a troll trying to get a reaction out of people.

 

[Cowabungaa]

Look, I get what you're saying, that I should give these games a try.

No, no I'm not, where the hell did you read that in my post?! Don't put words in my mouth please.

You're still ignoring the subject and going about how you have the right on your opinion and all that stuff. Really, is it so hard addressing my questions and arguments instead of droning on about something completely irrelevant? Quote me on saying that your opinion is wrong, that you can't dislike those games. Come on, where did I say that? Where the hell did I say "those games suck, you can't like them!" or anything similair? Where the hell did I say that your opinion is bullshit and that you have to like Bioshock and Condemned? If I don't, why on earth are you bringing it up?!

It's because of this whole spiel I have my current avatar, it's like your reading a completely different post than I wrote, where do you get all that stuff from? There is plenty to talk about, you're just completely ignoring what I would like to talk about, and instead you're getting all defensive, hammering on you having the right on your own opinion. I wonder one thing right now: why are you doing this? It has nothing to do with what I wanted to talk about in the first place, so why are you bringing it up?

I, again, don't understand. Is it so hard to understand what I'm saying? Is it so hard to understand what I'm asking? I'm asking for explanations, since you leave me confused (and this post again leaves me confused, really, why the hell do you keep deviating from the subject all the time?). Your argument is confusing because it makes no sense. Complaining about a lack of innovation, while still liking games that clearly don't innovate. That doesn't have anything to do with your opinion, in this case it's a simple fact: Armored Core 4 barely deviates from Armored Core 3's formula. Is that bad or stupid or that it's 'wrong' to like them? No! Where the hell did I say that? But if say that it's original and innovative, then explain why it is according to you. Thát's what I've been asking for all the time, but you're completely ignoring it! I really don't understand why you're doing that.

I just like giant robots whaling on eachother with explosions and whatnot.

Then why the hell didn't you just say that before!!

 

[GonzoGamer]

I must agree. It is pointless and childish to fight over consoles. We should all be sensible, civil, and mature.

Indeed:

It's not that hard guys, really, it's not.

We are all gamers. What we need is some solidarity.

It's not all their fault. The Escapist seems to think flamebait is in this season because we've been seeing a lot of topics like this that cause one group of fanboys to become defensive and another to become smug dbags.

You shouldn't get defensive unless you think you were overcharged for your ps3 and you shouldn't be a smug if you have a 360 that's likely to melt any day now.

They don't have to get defensive and offensive when reading the articles. They could act like mature and civil people.

These are gamers you're talking about here, I'm not saying we can't be mature and civil but gamers are the biggest suckers on the face of the planet (no offense to the few savvy consumers here) and can't resist falling into a pr trap.

True, I still believe they could exercise restraint.

Sure they could (anything's possible) but they wont.

It's kind of like politics, you have one side that gets you by without heartache but doesn't really do anything more than what's needed (D) and another side that makes themselves very busy but they're ultimately defective (R): guess which is which. Neither side has the talent or insight to lead only the talent for convincing everybody that the other side can't, and as Mencken said, both are right on that account. So neither are ever satisfying but are able to convince their constituents/fanboys (usually the same breed of suckers; the kind of people cult leaders look for) that they are "on your side." and anyone that doesn't follow them should be ridiculed at best.

I stay out if politics. If anything I am heavily Liberal. If they could exercise restraint I believe they should. I don't mean to make big deal about this.

I just hate flame wars and non-civil arguments.

I agree.
It is annoying isn't it. I wouldn't mind so much if the arguments revolved around facts but it always quickly devolves into purely unedifying trash talk which is just obnoxious.
I try to stay out of politics too. I'm kind of in the middle but I tend to lean Left a bit because the Right always picks the most retarded/bat-shit crazy dbags as their champions: Rush Limbaugh, Bush Jr/Sr, Cheney.

 

[WraithGadra]

Opinions

Of course you are entitled to your opinions. Just as other people are entitled to ask for clarification of or question said opinions. That is generally the point of discussion.

 

[Pendragon9]

Opinions

Of course you are entitled to your opinions. Just as other people are entitled to ask for clarification of or question said opinions. That is generally the point of discussion.

No, what Assassin is saying is that I don't have a right to my opinions. That if I don't somehow love a popular game, that I'm wrong and I'm being biased.

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Perhaps if you simply asked your questions instead of hiding them in a wall of text that clearly is pointed out to do nothing more than say how I'm being unfair when I call it having a different taste of games, then I'd gladly answer you. But I never see those questions straight out. You're always just barely asking me something, then going off on another tangent.

I'll tell you my views on it. You know how you say the games I love are stupid and unoriginal? Well, to me, they're just fine. You know why? Because they DON'T CHANGE A GOOD THING. Everything I liked about the games they kept in the sequels, and they made improvements to make it so that it wasn't just part 2, or part 3.

Have you considered that I just like some formulas over others? Maybe I understand why Yahtzee doesn't like JRPGs that much. Maybe I can't grasp the concept of a kid with a giant sword wangsting over everything in the world, which is kinda what all those games you listed do have. maybe I'm tired of people in games who cry about everything because they have to be little babies.

"Ooh, the galaxy was blown up, the world sucks, I have to make a moral choice every five minutes to kill little girls"(Mass Effect, Fallout, and Bioshock in a nutshell, in my honest opinion). That doesn't make them bad games, and it may infact make them pretty good. But those are scenarios I couldn't care about any more.

You know what I like about Armored Core? The main guy doesn't talk. No angst, no tears, no shoddy bullcrap I have to listen to for thirty hours like a Metal Gear Solid cutscene. It's straight, to the point, and I get to destroy something without having everyone come down upon me. THAT IS FUN TO ME.

All those other games, again, could be masterpieces, but there's something about them I can't get used to. As innovative as you say they are, I just can't get into them. I have my own view of originality, and if you don't like it, well that's too bad.

And clearly you know little about the series I love if you think it's bland garbage. I wish just once you would see it like I see it and lighten up. Not everybody is gonna love the same game series, okay?

I don't know what you want me to say. Do you want me to say "lol I'm wrong and your right, and I should throw out all my old games and buy the ones you want me to"? Is that what you want to hear? Because it isn't happening. If you could kindly phrase your questions a bit more clearly, we wouldn't be in this.

Now please, just stop already. I'm asking you nicely.

 

[Kuliani]

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By the way, you both want each other to stop talking to each other. Walk away before someone does something that will force my hand.

 

[Pendragon9]

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By the way, you both want each other to stop talking to each other. Walk away before someone does something that will force my hand.

Fair enough. I'll do just that.

 

[Cowabungaa]

By the way, you both want each other to stop talking to each other. Walk away before someone does something that will force my hand.

*coughs* Sorry dear man, I'd like to keep my reputation straight, but hopefully you don't mind the following, short final words to Mr. Pendragon, in response to the following post:

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If you would've explained that earlier, everything would've been fine from the start. Saying that you don't like the innovation in those games, is fair enough. I still don't like the fact that you say that I said that your opinions are wrong or something, but Mr. Kuliani politely requested for us to stop, so I'll lay that to rest. Just so you know: I was only confused by your argument and never ever said that your opinion was wrong, but you cleared your whole viewpoint up enough with your last post, and that's all I wanted to hear. Thank you Mr. Pendragon, I hope everything is settled then, so we don't have any misconceptions about eachother. I never trashed your for the opinion, and your taste for games is just fine and more then clear now. So everything's cool again?

PS: Gimme a damned PS3 now, I want to blow some shit up with huge mechs. Yes Mr. Pendragon, I share your taste for games.

 

[Megacherv]

Can everyone just shut up and actually go and play their consoles instead of complaining about all the other ones?

Seriously. Shut up. Stop reading this. Put away the mouse and keyboard, turn off your PC and sit down and have a good gaming session.

What're you still reading for? SHUT UP AND GO!

 

[OddOzZy666]

I must agree. It is pointless and childish to fight over consoles. We should all be sensible, civil, and mature.

Indeed:

It's not that hard guys, really, it's not.

Dunno why but the picture made me happy, a lot like that picture Howard uses in The Mighty boosh

 

[MercurySteam]

Ahahaha, Pendragon9 I knew your "crusader-like-fervour" take on the defence of Sony would get you in trouble sooner or later. But seriously, if sales with the PS3 keep going like this [http://vgchartz.com/hwcomps.php?cons1=Wii&reg1=All&cons2=PS3&reg2=All&cons3=X360&reg3=All&start=39278&end=39978&weekly=1] then Sony is going to have to figure out a way to drop the PS3's price before they get in some serious trouble. E.g. [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/7.120070?page=1]

 

[S53]

Playstation will come out of it.

Well, if they lower the price......

 

[Pendragon9]

Ahahaha, Pendragon9 I knew your "crusader-like-fervour" take on the defence of Sony would get you in trouble sooner or later. But seriously, if sales with the PS3 keep going like this [http://vgchartz.com/hwcomps.php?cons1=Wii&reg1=All&cons2=PS3&reg2=All&cons3=X360&reg3=All&start=39278&end=39978&weekly=1] then Sony is going to have to figure out a way to drop the PS3's price before they get in some serious trouble. E.g. [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/7.120070?page=1]

Wow. Nobody was talking to you. Are you trying to reignite a flame war? If it's one thing I hate, it's when someone thinks they're somehow better because they bring up charts and old news articles and try to insult other people.

I thought you'd be more mature than this. Honestly.

And let's get somethign straight. I wasn't defending Sony as much as I was defending my own views. About three people in there were telling me I wasn't allowed my own view on video games, that I had to see the games in their light and I had to enjoy them like they did. Then of course they went into a tangent about how the games I liked were piles of crap.

And from the tone of your post, you're going to say the same thing. So save it for someone who actually cares.

 

[Kriptonite]

What's the point in arguing? People won't change their minds on what console they like because they obviously like it for some reason(or it was given to them and they can't buy the one they want). I am glad to see at least the original topic wasn't the usual "Why what I have is better than what You have."

 

[LeonLethality]

Luckily the psp is making a comeback what with the psp go and all the new titles I am a strong sony supporter so I can hope to make a miniscule difference in the sales (then again I do support other consoles but sony seems top for me >.>)