Please define Good & Evil

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Today, while my nephew was playing Contra Reborn on my Wii, I was in my room playing some Bioshock on my 360. When he finished playing it, he came to my room and simply stared at the screen for a couple of minutes, watching as I brutally burned, electrocuted, smahed, bludgeoned and shot to death some splicers.

Then he asked me, "are they the bad guys?", that was fairly easy, I only replied, "more or less, yes, they're the bad guys, because they are crazy and they think you are the bad guy". He bought on that answer. Then, the Big Daddy and the Little Sister came in and he asked me again, "He's a bad guy too?".

Somehow, I simply muted myself, thinking on a good answer to that, but I simply couldn't find it. I told him, "well... he's not evil...", "so, he's a good guy?", he said almost immediatly, almost interrupting whatever I was going to tell him. Then I told him, "well, he's not evil, but also he's not a good guy", "so, he's half evil, half good?" he asked me. I simply told him that "he's only evil if you attack him".

He would have bought that answer if it was not for the Little Sister... "Is he evil too?", he asked me, by obviously not seeing "he" was a "she". "It's a little girl" I told him. Then he asked me "is he her daddy?". Heh, he almost did all the job for me trying to answer his question. Then, I told him, "I'm going to kill it", then he suggested me that I "first needed to kill that little girl and..." "whoa, not so fast, I'm not going to kill her, I'm going to rescue her" I told him. And he asked me, "rescue her from what?"...

Back in the day of the 8 and 16 bits, gaming was as simple as "good fights evil". But now, morallity on videogames has been bluring a lot, at the same time, doing better stories, multi dimentional characters, interesting and sometimes fascinating stories, such as Bioshock.

I think we as kids had it fairly simple, but also the industry has grewn up with us. But what about the new generation?, I had a pretty hard time trying to define a simple concept as what's good or what's evil.

Can anyone please define me what's good and what's evil?.
 

Mr. Grey

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Perspective.

It's all shades of grey, there really isn't a good and/or evil. It's what people say by majority that's accepted or what you accept yourself.
 

ProfessorLayton

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Good: of a favorable character or tendency

Evil: morally reprehensible

Seriously, you can't define it. Everyone has their own ideas and especially with a bunch of different cultures even something as simple as good and evil are blurred.
 

Wintermoot

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GOOD: saving a kitty from a tree
EVIL: setting the tree on fire with the kitty inside
 

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Mr. Grey said:
Perspective.

It's all shades of grey, there really isn't a good and/or evil. It's what people say by majority that's accepted or what you accept yourself.
Unless, of course, you're playing any game with an actual morality system, where you're either an angel that descended from the heavens to bring joy to all, or the kid who picked on Satan in high school with a trail of destruction in your wake.
 

Winfrid

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Next time tell your nephew big daddies are chaotic neutral so it's okay to kill them
 

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No ones really evil when you think about, we are all just machines tweaked in different ways with different motivations.

Everyone wants to help something, even hitler can be defended... he was just a sociopath idiot who wanted to help his country.

What I'm trying to say is that it all comes down to perspective
 

Mr. Grey

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Benefactor said:
Mr. Grey said:
Perspective.

It's all shades of grey, there really isn't a good and/or evil. It's what people say by majority that's accepted or what you accept yourself.
Unless, of course, you're playing any game with an actual morality system, where you're either an angel that descended from the heavens to bring joy to all, or the kid who picked on Satan in high school with a trail of destruction in your wake.
Who said I accepted this petty morality system? It's a joke and accomplishes nothing. How the hell is someone supposed to know I'm evil? Do they sense it? Use the Force? Have a Scouter? What is it that makes them know I'm evil? The tales that are told? How do they know that's true if they never witnessed it? Could just be spiteful rumors told by a villain to impede my progress because I was kind enough to spare him his life but destroy his goals.

What they need is a means of Representation which is not too unlike the Reputation in Fallout. Karma be damned, it accomplishes nothing and isn't even using the true purpose behind the name. Just keep a reputation; I'm a saint that grieves when an innocent is killed in the crossfire, but I press on to stop the madness. This tells people I may be a hero or on their side, but I don't care who gets hurt so long as I stop the madman which is obviously not true as I have a lonely drink in the hotel room every night before I put my mask back on in the morning.

I know who I am, but do I care what they think? That is a better question to answer for gaming.

Sorry for the tirade, but to be honest I'm kind of fed up with the half-assed morality system and was greatly appreciative of Dragon Age: Origins abandoning it and Alpha Protocol adapting a consequence to every action you make instead. And you were probably sarcastic to begin with, but I've had that bottled up so long it was driving me bonkers.
 

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coleslawghter said:
Everyone wants to help something, even hitler can be defended... he was just a sociopath idiot who wanted to help his country.
Baaaaad example
 

Mr. Grey

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Winfrid said:
coleslawghter said:
Everyone wants to help something, even hitler can be defended... he was just a sociopath idiot who wanted to help his country.
Baaaaad example
Only because we won the war.
 

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Good people pet cats.. Evil people string them up from the ceiling and use them for batting practice.
 

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Mr. Grey said:
Winfrid said:
coleslawghter said:
Everyone wants to help something, even hitler can be defended... he was just a sociopath idiot who wanted to help his country.
Baaaaad example
Only because we won the war.
See, I can agree with that point though, as my old buddy says, history is written by the victor!
 

randomsix

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If one defines any certain overarching morality of life, good is that which works toward the tenets of the moral, evil is that which works against them.

Winfrid said:
Mr. Grey said:
Winfrid said:
coleslawghter said:
Everyone wants to help something, even hitler can be defended... he was just a sociopath idiot who wanted to help his country.
Baaaaad example
Only because we won the war.
See, I can agree with that point though, as my old buddy says, history is written by the victor!
Except for the American Civil War.
 

DarthFennec

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Good and Evil don't exist. They're just made up concepts made to justify human behavior, albeit rather badly.

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Scratch what I said, I'm changing my answer.
Skopintsev said:
Good people pet cats.. Evil people string them up from the ceiling and use them for batting practice.
This.