Police pepper spray 8 year old

[Lilani]

A pair of teachers trained to deal with troubled students overpowered by an 8 year old?

I call shenanigans.

You'd be surprised. Before the start of this past school year, the higher-up faculty of the elementary school my mother works at underwent restraint training--they learned how to properly and safely restrain children who are at risk of hurting themselves or others. It's an elementary[/o] school. The students are 3 and 4 at the youngest, and 9 and 10 at the very oldest. Yet within the first couple of weeks of the school year, the principle had to restrain a kindergartner who was completely out of control.

That restraint training is very new to our school system. So if the teachers in this situation weren't trained for it, I don't find it at all surprising they weren't able to succeed. They didn't know how/where they could grab and how hard. They weren't just thinking about what the kid was doing, they also had to be aware of what their actions could result in. Any bruises or accidental "bad touches" and their careers and possibly criminal records would be screwed up for life, given their school doesn't just go bankrupt from a lawsuit.

 

[duchaked]

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/42449949/ns/today-today_people/

What do you guys think? Was this justified or totally not needed?

FUCK NO!!! HE'S EIGHT! You grab him and hold him down, you don't hit him with pepper spray. Why not use a taser or rubber bullets? Jesus, is it that hard to restrain an eight year old. I've held down kids a lot older than eight who tried to hit me with a stick. It's not even fucking hard. these officers should be jailed, after being pepper sprayed themselves. I mean, they did it to the poor kid twice. Once I could maybe except as just bad decision making and stupidity, but twice is either negligence or cruelty and absolutely unacceptable.

Wait, pepper spray hurts but tasers don't? So do people just lie about tasers then?

Completely justified IMO.

lol yeah I was gonna say...pretty sure a taser and rubber bullets hurt pretty darn bad too

just all in a different kind of way as far as the pain goes

 

[chainer1216]

in an interview the kid said he was looking for somthing sharp to stab them with.

pepper spray? totally justified.

besides, the kid himself said he probably deserved it.

 

[Frozen Donkey Wheel2]

FUCK NO!!! HE'S EIGHT! You grab him and hold him down, you don't hit him with pepper spray. Why not use a taser or rubber bullets? Jesus, is it that hard to restrain an eight year old. I've held down kids a lot older than eight who tried to hit me with a stick. It's not even fucking hard. these officers should be jailed, after being pepper sprayed themselves. I mean, they did it to the poor kid twice. Once I could maybe except as just bad decision making and stupidity, but twice is either negligence or cruelty and absolutely unacceptable.

Wait, what? I'm pretty sure that both tasers AND rubber bullets would hurt a LOT more then pepper spray.

I mean really.....What?

 

[Bags159]

FUCK NO!!! HE'S EIGHT! You grab him and hold him down, you don't hit him with pepper spray. Why not use a taser or rubber bullets? Jesus, is it that hard to restrain an eight year old. I've held down kids a lot older than eight who tried to hit me with a stick. It's not even fucking hard. these officers should be jailed, after being pepper sprayed themselves. I mean, they did it to the poor kid twice. Once I could maybe except as just bad decision making and stupidity, but twice is either negligence or cruelty and absolutely unacceptable.

Wait, what? I'm pretty sure that both tasers AND rubber bullets would hurt a LOT more then pepper spray.

I mean really.....What?

Maybe he thinks rubber bullets are like Nerf Gun bullets? I really don't understand his post either. Although I'd love to see a police officer attempt to subdue an 8 year old with a Nerf Gun. Stop in the name of the law! *Paff paff paff*

It's really annoying how the police can't do anything to uphold the law without being accused of using excessive force.

 

[Grospoliner]

Justification is just a fancy word people use to feel better about their actions.

"Not diagnosed with any disability or mental illness"

Behavioral problem induced by improper parenting. Suppression method was acceptable.

 

[Astoria]

Seems a little extream but there appears to be no harm done.

 

[Bags159]

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/42449949/ns/today-today_people/

What do you guys think? Was this justified or totally not needed?

Picking a 40-50 pound kid is so hard. If i were a teacher i would have tanned his ass. They didn't have to pepper spray him but wtf? What happened to punishing your children correctly. I would have tazered him HA lol.

And lost your job, maybe faced legal charges, fun stuff like that. I don't think you would have "tanned his ass" if you were the teachers in that situation.

Seems a little extream but there appears to be no harm done.

What isn't extreme? Rubber bullets? A taser? A 200 pound cop tackling an 80 pound eight year old?

 

[antipunt]

I really hope this kid overcomes his anger issues. Don't know how it could be done with modern psychiatric medication/counseling, but poor guy looks like he wants to live his life straight. Just doesn't have the brain chemistry to do so.

 

[Womplord]

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/42449949/ns/today-today_people/

What do you guys think? Was this justified or totally not needed?

FUCK NO!!! HE'S EIGHT! You grab him and hold him down, you don't hit him with pepper spray. Why not use a taser or rubber bullets? Jesus, is it that hard to restrain an eight year old. I've held down kids a lot older than eight who tried to hit me with a stick. It's not even fucking hard. these officers should be jailed, after being pepper sprayed themselves. I mean, they did it to the poor kid twice. Once I could maybe except as just bad decision making and stupidity, but twice is either negligence or cruelty and absolutely unacceptable.

Wait, pepper spray hurts but tasers don't? So do people just lie about tasers then?

Completely justified IMO.

lol yeah I was gonna say...pretty sure a taser and rubber bullets hurt pretty darn bad too

just all in a different kind of way as far as the pain goes

He was being sarcastic. He said that they should have just restrained him with their bare hands.

 

[SergeantAnt]

wow after watching the video i realized this kid doesnt even have mental problems, and the article says it only happens when having to do schoolwork after recess... so yes this kid is just a spoiled brat and it was totally justified, maybe it will teach him a lesson.
this is why spanking can be a good thing lady .

at least thats what i got from it but meh

 

[ShadowKatt]

FUCK NO!!! HE'S EIGHT! You grab him and hold him down, you don't hit him with pepper spray. Why not use a taser or rubber bullets? Jesus, is it that hard to restrain an eight year old. I've held down kids a lot older than eight who tried to hit me with a stick. It's not even fucking hard. these officers should be jailed, after being pepper sprayed themselves. I mean, they did it to the poor kid twice. Once I could maybe except as just bad decision making and stupidity, but twice is either negligence or cruelty and absolutely unacceptable.

Wait, what? I'm pretty sure that both tasers AND rubber bullets would hurt a LOT more then pepper spray.

I mean really.....What?

Maybe he thinks rubber bullets are like Nerf Gun bullets? I really don't understand his post either. Although I'd love to see a police officer attempt to subdue an 8 year old with a Nerf Gun. Stop in the name of the law! *Paff paff paff*

It's really annoying how the police can't do anything to uphold the law without being accused of using excessive force.

Please don't give the media any ideas. The last thing we need is for the police to have to trade in the 9mms for nerf maveriks.

 

[Dr. Pepper Unlimited]

It seems justified to me, although I might e bias since I dislike children, so I'd probably be yelling in the background to spray him again for good measure. I joke...mostly. In any case, I don't see any problems with how the police handled things. He'll get over it, nobody was hurt, life moves on, good job.

On a side note, I did like how they "Found nothing wrong with him mentally [in reference to him being seen by a doctor] and he was okay." There is obviously something foul going on. Your normal eight year old does not need a dose of pepper spray to calm the hell down.

 

[ShadowKatt]

If i were a teacher i would have tanned his ass

Let's see...Assault, Assault of a minor, battery, sexual harassment of a minor, sexual abuse of a minor...

Those are the ones I can come up off the top of my head. I'm sure there are more. How many of them do you think you can fight off in this diseased legal system of ours?

 

[snfonseka]

I have a question for those who think the police was over reacted, do you remember the incident that caused 15 deaths in 1999? if so do you want to see something like that again?

I don't know what is the mental state of this kid. But I do know there is a danger to the public from him. So police did what was necessary to do to protect the public. The parents should find a way to treat these issue of this kid, but until they do so the police has a job to do. If this kid killed someone that day, I am pretty sure that no one would be sympathetic to the kid. Yes, we need to be sympathize towards the kids with mental issues. But that doesn't mean innocents have to pay the price for their issue.

 

[Telumektar]

I think the cops acted correctly, they could have gone physical with him but decided to neutralize the threat and keep their jobs at the same time: as pointed out by other commenters grabbing him or something like that could have been seen as "extreme use of force" or something like that, which would have been bullshit in this case, the kid would have been alright... unless the cops were trained by Judge Dredd. Maybe there were other kids near him, that would have been enough reason for me to spray him on-sight.

The kid looks like he needs LIMITS, nothing more. I'm not talking about being agressive towards him or anything like that, his parents should have set things straight right from the beginning, told him who has the authority (those should be his parents, obviously) and encourage him to obey and treat the others as equals or superiors, depending on the case. I mean he is a kid, he shouldn't believe he has power over anyone else, or need it, I blame his family's situation and overall stupidity from his surroundings.

Also, WTF happened to his teachers?! They locked themselves in a room? The level of retardation shown by his elders is more worrying than any of his actions. Come on! He is EIGHT! How can one person be such a coward to loose control over a second grader and let the kid outpower him/her? Nobody loses a job for telling a kid to STFU (in a nice(r) way ) or dragging him to the principal's office: by an arm, hair, ear, leg, whatever, I've seen them all, stupid parents rarely fight back and never win.

I hope he learned something in school that day.

 

[xPixelatedx]

Totally Justified, what else were they going to use on him?

Maybe just grab him? It's a kid... with a STICK. If cops are afraid of that then they need a different profession. Perhaps, say.... chef? Toilet scrubber? Veterinarian?

 

[Gordon_4_v1legacy]

Seems a tad overzealous to me, but I can't argue with results.