Police pepper spray 8 year old

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InfiniteSingularity

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Pepper spray caused no permanent damage, as a short term control method, I think it's reasonable

On another note, the kid is smart and well-spoken for his age. I respect him a lot for that
 

Bender Rodriguez

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Reminds me of that South Park episode called Fingerbang - Mall cops pepperspraying children just for talking :p
Man, only in America.

How hard is it to wrestle a kid to the ground anyway.
 

Dense_Electric

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Rottweiler said:
"Really? Using chemical weapons that cause torment is less of an assault then simply grabbing someone? If that was my kid I would be pissed they did what they did instead of simply stopping them. If it was so easy to sue police for assault, then police wouldn't be able to touch anyone."

...chemical weapons? It's pepper spray. I know people to whom it's a condiment.

Pepper spray is *temporarily* debilitating and, except for rare people with allergies, clears up without side effects and is treatable with water.

Speaking as a person who is trained and, unfortunately very experienced in handling violent people from youth to adults, I am *terrified* of restraining a child. The child *does not know* anything and will happily ruin their bodies just to get back at you.

With an adult or teen, you put them in a joint lock. They struggle, it hurts, they stop (usually) or you apply more pressure until it hurts enough that they stop.

8 year old? They will scream like you're raping them, and struggle until they put enough force into it to *break their own bones*. And guess what? Your fault. No one will hear a word about their precious little Timmy, you're the bad guy. Period.

I still have *teeth scars* from a 9 year old who, if I had not grabbed his jaw and forced his mouth open, would have *torn a chunk of my leg out*. The Paramedics and then doctor who treated me told me I was lucky not to have permanent damage.

Think anyone blamed the psycho little 9 year old? Nope. "You're a big guy you shoulda been able to handle him easy...but you were too rough...oh my God you bruised his poor little jaw..." Blah blah. Next time you handle him buddy. Please!

And *I* was stopping him after he broke a 4-year old's *arm* and started on the other one! I was lucky the parents of the little girl screamed bloody murder and thanked me for saving their child's life.
^^^ Also this ^^^

Seriously, everyone claiming it was "excessive force" - how 'bout we just let the next psycho kid kill a few people? Because that's obviously a better solution than hitting him with a non-lethal, non-debilitating, temporary burst of pepper spray.
 

thePyro_13

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It's hard to know exactly without having been there, the kid did say he dropped the stick prior to being sprayed.

The two teachers where also not in immediate danger as they had moved to a separate room.

I think it might have been worth the effort to wait him out, he can't stay angry for ever. And they could always have just sprayed him if he actually started making progress on the door between him and the teachers or attempted to go the police.

I think it could have been handled better.

But then again Victorian police have shot(and killed) people in these kinds of situations, even when the person posed no immediate threat to anyone. So being sprayed isn't so bad, but it's still not an ideal solution to the problem.
 

smartengine

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And if they started beating him she would be delighted... Wanna bet there'll be a lawsuit in a few weeks?
 

Canned Spam

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He tried to kill two people. Using pepper spray seems justified. The kid even said in the video 'I...kind of deserved it'.
 

etherlance

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Hey my name is Aidan as well!

Why is it I never hear someone with my name do anything good or cool?
 

Axzarious

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Justified. The kid needs to learn somehow. The mother needs to step it up too. Talking to calm down the same kid multiple times is a waste of time and resources on the part of the police. They were probably getting tired of dealing with the same kid doing the same stupid things. People saying it was uncalled for are unaware of how much a theat anybody with a weapon can be.
 

Brandon237

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Damn, that kid is VIOLENT! And admits, he knows what he did was wrong and JUSTIFIES what the police did. The mother just couldn't accept it. And the third time? Police. Force. Justified.

Anyone is armed, you are allowed to incapacitate them.
 

TilMorrow

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If the police were to believed, the kid was a potential threat. I've seen people go into rages like this and they can be pretty dangerous and hurt people badly. However, if he had dropped the stick by then, then the police were in the wrong and shouldn't have done that. Plus now that I think about it, spraying the already dangerous and ticked off kid with something that would annoy him even more was a really stupid course of action.

Captcha: rtively Quinones.
 

XxSummonerxX

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The kid said he deserved it.
The principal, or superintendant or whatever said he deserved it.
The head of police (whatever his rank was) said he deserved it.
The interviewer seems to think he deserved it.
The police have no doubt what they were doing was unjustified.
He has a history of violent behaviour.
He was swinging a weapon, it might have just been a blunt stick, but it was still a deadly weapon, a baseball bat is a deadly weapon.
He was threatening to kill someone.

Where is the "IT WASN'T JUSTIFIED! HE WAS ONLY 8!" coming from?
 

MikeOfThunder

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I think that falls under excessive force. It's an 8 year old, he may not be fully aware of his actions and what he could do... but he's 8! He's probably not even strong enough to hurt someone with that stick he had.
The important word in this being "probably".

The thing is, he COULD have hurt someone. A person, no matter what age, threatening to kill someone and wielding a weapon is a threat to those around them. The police simply stopped him.

"he may not be fully aware of his actions" - Doesn't make the situation any less violent or dangerous.

The chances are that he just went into a wild rage and he wouldn't have done much harm to anyone, but he did need to be stopped and the police did that. He wasn't hurt, but he was disarmed.
 

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Nile McMorrow said:
If the police were to believed, the kid was a potential threat. I've seen people go into rages like this and they can be pretty dangerous and hurt people badly. However, if he had dropped the stick by then, then the police were in the wrong and shouldn't have done that. Plus now that I think about it, spraying the already dangerous and ticked off kid with something that would annoy him even more was a really stupid course of action.

Captcha: rtively Quinones.
Spraying the kid with pepper spray would do a hell of a lot more than just annoy him. There's a reason the police use that stuff to subdue aggressive suspects.
 

Gottesstrafe

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My first reaction when reading the article was to laugh out loud. Does that make me a bad person?

As an outsider I harbor no ill will to the officers. The kid has a record, admits to having anger issues, and was threatening his teachers' lives. Pepper spray is non lethal and designed to subdue quickly while minimizing potential damage inflicted to both parties in an extended physical confrontation, and more preferable to, say, a baton or taser. What really makes me wonder, though, is what set the kid off and how two teachers failed to subdue an 8 year old (alright, so he's a little big for his age). Smells to me like cowardice in the face of a potential lawlsuit "Oh no, he restrained my child from tearing up the classroom by grabbing his arms too tightly! Child abuse!" I'd like to see the kid try that in an old fashioned Catholic school, under a particularly old and cantankerous nun brandishing a ruler like a riding crop.



By the time police arrived, young Aidan was in a full-blown meltdown. He had ripped molding from the wall and tossed chairs and a TV cart around the classroom. He had grabbed a stick and chased his teachers into the office, where they locked themselves in. ?I wanted to make something sharp,? he told NBC News. ?I was so mad at them.? At one point, police allege, he warned his teachers, ?If you come out, you?re gonna die!?
You know, I've always thought of kids, especially young ones, as natural sociopaths. Hope [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ed_Gein] this [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Bundy] doesn't [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Dahmer] develop [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Wayne_Gacy].