Police pepper spray 8 year old

[Sanglyon]

I believe that every proponent of pepper spray as "an harmless way to restrain an 8 year old" should be pepper-sprayed himself to experience what it feels like, because from experience, people like that have no clue of what real pain is. And if they keep on saying it's still "harmless", give them psychiatric counseling. Because anyone thinking it's ok to use this kind of treatment on a kid half their size "because he has a stick and was threatening to kill" has serious moral and mental issue. What would they do if a 5 years old throw a ball through their window? Set a rotweiller on him?

 

[Frozen Donkey Wheel2]

FUCK NO!!! HE'S EIGHT! You grab him and hold him down, you don't hit him with pepper spray. Why not use a taser or rubber bullets? Jesus, is it that hard to restrain an eight year old. I've held down kids a lot older than eight who tried to hit me with a stick. It's not even fucking hard. these officers should be jailed, after being pepper sprayed themselves. I mean, they did it to the poor kid twice. Once I could maybe except as just bad decision making and stupidity, but twice is either negligence or cruelty and absolutely unacceptable.

Wait, what? I'm pretty sure that both tasers AND rubber bullets would hurt a LOT more then pepper spray.

I mean really.....What?

I was being sarcastic about the tasers and rubber bullets.

Ah, right. Makes sense, then. Sorry about the confusion. This being the internet and all.

 

[The-Epicly-Named-Man]

Shouldnt a police officer be able to disarm someone anyway, let alone an 8 year old? Anyway, the little brat deserved it.

 

[Gitty101]

I'm with the police on this one. Despite his age, he was still violent to the extent that people feared for their safety. He looks like he's suffered no abnormal effects so there should be no problem with this.

His Mother on the other hand...

FEAR an 8 year old kid ? I'm not some kind of masculinity-worshipper, but Good God! Have some testosterone to put your foot down. Christ.

Hey - I was just going by what the article said. The Teachers locked themselves in a seperate room, hence they feared for their safety.

Though I agree, an 8 year old kid shouldn't have been a problem for Teachers who had recieved training to deal with this sort of thing.

 

[EonEire]

Again (this will be my second time) I won't jump in making assumptions about the American Law System, but are the police actually allowed touch the kid? As in physical contact with no parents present? Or was the pepper spray the only way to actually "deal" with the situation.

 

[Canid117]

Sensationalist news story

move along

 

[duchaked]

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/42449949/ns/today-today_people/

What do you guys think? Was this justified or totally not needed?

FUCK NO!!! HE'S EIGHT! You grab him and hold him down, you don't hit him with pepper spray. Why not use a taser or rubber bullets? Jesus, is it that hard to restrain an eight year old. I've held down kids a lot older than eight who tried to hit me with a stick. It's not even fucking hard. these officers should be jailed, after being pepper sprayed themselves. I mean, they did it to the poor kid twice. Once I could maybe except as just bad decision making and stupidity, but twice is either negligence or cruelty and absolutely unacceptable.

Wait, pepper spray hurts but tasers don't? So do people just lie about tasers then?

Completely justified IMO.

lol yeah I was gonna say...pretty sure a taser and rubber bullets hurt pretty darn bad too

just all in a different kind of way as far as the pain goes

He was being sarcastic. He said that they should have just restrained him with their bare hands.

mmm got that much tho

regardless, I shouldn't talk cuz I tend to be NOT merciful when dealing with people I really don't wanna deal with

 

[C2Ultima]

The kid will live. I think the pepper spray was completely justified. The kid tried to hurt people, and he needed to be stopped.

 

[bdcjacko]

Again (this will be my second time) I won't jump in making assumptions about the American Law System, but are the police actually allowed touch the kid? As in physical contact with no parents present? Or was the pepper spray the only way to actually "deal" with the situation.

See...there american law system is a patch work, so it depends on the local government. And I am will to guess the first responder cops were just trying to end this the fastest most effective way without getting in shit later. So the opted for pepper spray. This one of those back against the wall situations that no matter what they did they would get in shit. If they jumped him, people would be like why did the cops need to do that to an 8 year old. If they waited, someone could have gotten hurt. If they tazed him, same mess. If they shot him, same mess...well probably worse. So they did what they thought was right at the time.

 

[IamQ]

I think what they did was right. Pepper spray doesn't cause permanent damage, and it stopped the kid.

 

[bdcjacko]

I believe that every proponent of pepper spray as "an harmless way to restrain an 8 year old" should be pepper-sprayed himself to experience what it feels like, because from experience, people like that have no clue of what real pain is. And if they keep on saying it's still "harmless", give them psychiatric counseling. Because anyone thinking it's ok to use this kind of treatment on a kid half their size "because he has a stick and was threatening to kill" has serious moral and mental issue. What would they do if a 5 years old throw a ball through their window? Set a rotweiller on him?

I've had pepper-spray in the eyes. It sucks and made me want to not resist. So yeah, if some kid was throwing chairs at me, I would totally pepper spray him. And if a kid threw a ball through my window, I would make him and his parents pay for it.

 

[ScarlettRage]

meh it wont kill him. it will sting awhile but it will teach him not to do that.

 

[kasperbbs]

Seems like he was acting like a mad monkey threatening to kill people, i get it that hes an 8yo, but teachers had to hide in a closet to protect themselves from being injured, and what could they do to stop him? They obviously didn't want to hit a kid, they can't grab him because he might start biting or whatnot. So i say it was totally justified, it didn't have any permament effects and that mom can shut the hell up, we get it, you love your kid, but face it, your son has some serious issues.

 

[teknoarcanist]

If you've ever been pepper-sprayed, you understand that this is not a huge deal. It hurts, but it's a lot safer than if the officers had tried to manhandle the kid to the ground -- who the hell knows what might have happened. Sounds like they responded appropriately given their training and the circumstances.

 

[bdcjacko]

If you've ever been pepper-sprayed, you understand that this is not a huge deal. It hurts, but it's a lot safer than if the officers had tried to manhandle the kid to the ground -- who the hell knows what might have happened. Sounds like they responded appropriately given their training and the circumstances.

Yeah it sucks and it hurts, which is the point. But after you wash it out and get some fresh air, you are fine in an hour or so depend on how much you got and your tolerance for spicy food.

 

[Harry Mason]

I blame Spiderman.

But, really, I used to do volunteer work teaching kids who came from war camps in Africa. They get shipped as political refugees over to America and plopped down in the projects, where it's up to well-meaning college students to teach them English. The fights that break out on playgrounds between 10-year-old war refugees make this look like babysitting a toddler.

We had everything from attempted rape to a broken leg to an eye gouged out in that program. And even in that roughest of situations, an 8-year-old would NEVER have been able to intimidate multiple teachers and police officers. There are safe, efficient ways for even skinny geeks like me to gently restrain a violent child.

These were people wanting to avoid a lawsuit so bad that they let a terrible situation escalate to PEPPER-SPRAYING AN 8-Year-Old. If anyone with any sense were there, they would have approached the child, swatted his discoordinated stick swinging aside, picked his ass up, and carried him away from the situation.

But this was a middle class, white kid, so anyone physically touching him would have sent the country into an outrage.

*grumble*

 

[Alpha Maeko]

Is pepper spray a pleasant experience? No, I think not.

But he brought the situation on himself. They could've done worse.

 

[Razhem]

I believe that every proponent of pepper spray as "an harmless way to restrain an 8 year old" should be pepper-sprayed himself to experience what it feels like, because from experience, people like that have no clue of what real pain is. And if they keep on saying it's still "harmless", give them psychiatric counseling. Because anyone thinking it's ok to use this kind of treatment on a kid half their size "because he has a stick and was threatening to kill" has serious moral and mental issue. What would they do if a 5 years old throw a ball through their window? Set a rotweiller on him?

And we get back to the real problem, how the hell do you restrain an angry 8 year old that has a history with rage issues flailing about all over the place with no real training for subduing kids while not hurting him? I don't doubt at all that the cop could have slapped the stick of the kid and put him on the floor, but the clincher comes in if he either applies too much strength (again, no real training for taking down kids that I know of) and hurts the kid for real (cry about pepper spray all you want, but a broken bone is a shit ton nastier) or even fall on the kid because of a fuck up. Basically, yes, I do not know how pepper spray feels, but I'd dare say it's "cleaner" in the sense that it cuts the bullshit and reduces the chances of a freak accident happening on both sides of the confrontation. Also, this may be causing a huge media outcry, but if that child had bruises and god forbid, a sprained ankle or even worse, a broken bone, he'd be in a shit storm of epic proportions. It's a whole other animal how we got to that point and if there was a clear try to use diplomacy.

 

[Zorg Machine]

wait, wait, wait...the teachers ran away and hid in a cupboard...from an 8-year old? If he wasn't armed with a knife or worse I don't see why the teachers couldn't handle it.

Also, I don't buy that the cops had no other option than to pepper spray him. They could have taked him down and only used the pepper spray if the kid charged them.

In pretty much every part of the 1st world teachers are not allowed to restrain a student, they're taught to take the other students and run.
Because people are litigious. Hell a lot of schools can't even give kids detention any more.

that's ridiculous. I understand that teachers are not allowed to hit children but in a school for children with "issues" it seems ridiculous that they just run away as soon as the children act out.

grab the stick and drag the kid into the principals office/next to a phone so you can call the parents.

snipp

pepper-spray can be lethal (especially to a child) if the target is allergic and any injuries a child would get from struggling they could just as easily get from writhing in pain.

also, if an officer of the law gets injured by an 8-year old with a stick it would probably be his/her own fault.

 

[Electrogecko]

The kid is over it already, (in fact, he says "I deserved it") but the mom still has a problem. This is probably why the kid has such issues- his mom probably lets him wipe his ass on the carpet.