(Politic) Alabama passes bill to ban abortion completely

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Aside from "if there is a serious health risk" republicans are going straight for what everyone knew they had in their sights. Further control and punishment of women's sexuality under the guise of religious 'purity.' No exemptions for incest or rape either.

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Alabama?s Republican-controlled state senate passed a bill Tuesday to outlaw abortion, making it a crime to perform the procedure at any stage of pregnancy.

The strictest-in-the-nation abortion ban allows an exception only when the woman?s health is at serious risk, and sets up a legal battle that supporters hope will lead to the supreme court overturning its landmark ruling that legalized abortion nationwide.

The measure contains no exception for rape and incest, after lawmakers voted down an amendment Tuesday that would have added such an exception.

The legislation, which passed by a vote of 25-6, makes it a class A felony for a doctor to perform an abortion, punishable by 10 to 99 years in prison. Women would not face criminal penalties for getting an abortion.

It goes further than any other state has to restrict abortion. Other states, including neighboring Georgia, have instituted bans on abortion after about six weeks into pregnancy.

The vote came after a battle broke out over whether to allow legal abortions for women who become pregnant due to rape or incest, an issue that divided Republicans who otherwise supported outlawing abortion.

Last week, chaos erupted on the floor when Republican leaders stripped out the rape exception without a roll call vote, leading the final vote to be postponed. It got a full vote on Tuesday, but ultimately failed.

Lawmakers approved the legislation after a debate that stretched more than four hours, where minority Democrats introduced a slew of amendments in an attempt to block it.

?You don?t have to raise that child. You don?t have to carry that child. You don?t have to provide for that child. You don?t have to do anything for that child, but yet you want to make the decision for that woman,? the state senator Vivian Davis Figures told the bill?s proponents.

She introduced amendments that would require the state to expand Medicaid, force legislators who vote for the measure to pay the state?s legal bills, or make it a crime for men to get vasectomies. All failed.

Figures questioned the backers? resistance to adding an exception for rape and incest. ?Do you know what it?s like to be raped?? she said. ?Why would you not want a woman to at least have that exception for such a horrific act??

The bill has already passed the house. It must now be signed by the state?s governor, Kay Ivey.

The legislation is poised for an immediate legal challenge and to be overturned at least by the lower courts.

The ACLU and Planned Parenthood ?will file a lawsuit to stop this unconstitutional ban and protect every woman?s right to make her own choice about her healthcare, her body, and her future. This bill will not take effect anytime in the near future, and abortion will remain a safe, legal medical procedure at all clinics in Alabama,? the ACLU of Alabama said on Tuesday.

?Alabama politicians will forever live in infamy for this vote,? said Staci Fox, the president of Planned Parenthood Southeast Advocates, in a statement. ?In the coming days we will be mounting the fight of our lives ? we will take this to court and ensure abortion remains safe and legal.?

Backers of the ban are hoping the fight will go all the way to the supreme court, which ruled in the 1973 Roe v Wade case that women must be allowed to get abortions up to the point where the fetus can survive outside the womb.

?Human life has rights, and when someone takes those rights, that?s when we as government have to step in,? said the state senator Clyde Chambliss. ?When God creates that life, that miracle of life inside the woman?s womb, it?s not our place as humans to extinguish that life. That?s what I believe.?

The bill?s architects resisted the rape exception, saying they wanted a clean ban to present to the courts, and believed exceptions would violate the principle that an unborn child is a human life.

Opponents said the bill?s backers would squander public money defending a ban that will likely be struck down. ?Alabama taxpayers are going to be footing the bill for this unconstitutional action,? said the state senator Linda Coleman-Madison. But Chambliss said the cost was worth it if the legislation is able to prevent abortions. ?That?s pennies per baby,? he said.

The bill is part of a trend across the US in which Republican-controlled states are attempting to put new restrictions on abortion, gambling that they will fare better in the courts following the confirmation of new federal judges and supreme court justices picked by the Trump administration.

Opponents predict the legislation will drive doctors to leave Alabama, which already has some of the highest rates of infant mortality and cervical cancer.

Outside the Alabama statehouse, protesters wore costumes from The Handmaid?s Tale and carried signs, one reading: ?Alabama does not own me.?

Republicans, who have a super-majority in the chamber, carried the vote by a large margin, but the debate was dominated by Democrats objecting to the legislation, while few supporters spoke out on the floor.

The Senate minority leader, Bobby Singleton, launched a filibuster in an effort to delay the vote, until Republicans approved a motion to end debate. ?You just raped the state of Alabama,? he said. ?The state of Alabama ought to be ashamed of itself.? The message to women, he added, is: ?We?re just going to continue to kick ?em in the gut.?

As the vote was called, he concluded: ?I would just like to say to all the women of the state of Alabama, I?m sorry.?

There are no kind words, am restraining myself from adding further opinion. How likely is this to succeed?
 

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Good guy Alabama looking out for those without a voice. /s

As long as the supreme court verdict remains, the bill won't actually ban anything. However, it does embolden pro-lifers across the country.

edit: I will technically disagree on an abortion ban being against women's sexuality, because contraceptives are still available normally (r-right, Alabama?). edit2: If the "state approved" contraceptive is abstinence then I won't disagree at all.
 

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McElroy said:
Good guy Alabama looking out for those without a voice. /s

As long as the supreme court verdict remains, the bill won't actually ban anything. However, it does embolden pro-lifers across the country.
Well to play devil's advocate, mabye this will now give people incentive to basically "Keep it in their pants"
 

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Samtemdo8 said:
McElroy said:
Good guy Alabama looking out for those without a voice. /s

As long as the supreme court verdict remains, the bill won't actually ban anything. However, it does embolden pro-lifers across the country.
Well to play devil's advocate, mabye this will now give people incentive to basically "Keep it in their pants"
No it won't. No it will goddamn not.
 

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Samtemdo8 said:
McElroy said:
Good guy Alabama looking out for those without a voice. /s

As long as the supreme court verdict remains, the bill won't actually ban anything. However, it does embolden pro-lifers across the country.
Well to play devil's advocate, mabye this will now give people incentive to basically "Keep it in their pants"
It gives an incentive for doctors to flee the state and abortions to get done by back alley "Dr. Nick".
 

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McElroy said:
Good guy Alabama looking out for those without a voice. /s

As long as the supreme court verdict remains, the bill won't actually ban anything. However, it does embolden pro-lifers across the country.

edit: I will technically disagree on an abortion ban being against women's sexuality, because contraceptives are still available normally (r-right, Alabama?).
Here we have another example of men deciding what women should do with their own bodies. Only 3 women voted on the bill.

Only 3 women had a voice in Alabama Senate as 25 men passed abortion ban

Amid the debate on the Alabama Senate floor over America?s most restrictive abortion law, state Sen. Linda Coleman-Madison (D) appeared to be losing patience.

She was one of just three women to vote Tuesday on HB 314, which would outlaw abortions even in cases of rape and incest
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/a-typical-male-answer-only-3-women-had-a-voice-in-alabama-senate-as-25-men-passed-abortion-ban/ar-AABowec?ocid=spartanntp

It is against women as there are no laws telling men what they can and cannot do with their own body. With women's maternal mortality still extremely high and rising in parts of the US, and women facing lifelong health issues from pregnancy and childbirth this, for some women can be a death sentence. Especially in a state like Alabama that offers very little in regards to health services and living assistance to women.

https://www.cdc.gov/reproductivehealth/maternalinfanthealth/severematernalmorbidity.html
 

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Neurotic Void Melody said:
Aside from "if there is a serious health risk" republicans are going straight for what everyone knew they had in their sights. Further control and punishment of women's sexuality under the guise of religious 'purity.' No exemptions for incest or rape either.

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Alabama?s Republican-controlled state senate passed a bill Tuesday to outlaw abortion, making it a crime to perform the procedure at any stage of pregnancy.

The strictest-in-the-nation abortion ban allows an exception only when the woman?s health is at serious risk, and sets up a legal battle that supporters hope will lead to the supreme court overturning its landmark ruling that legalized abortion nationwide.

The measure contains no exception for rape and incest, after lawmakers voted down an amendment Tuesday that would have added such an exception.

The legislation, which passed by a vote of 25-6, makes it a class A felony for a doctor to perform an abortion, punishable by 10 to 99 years in prison. Women would not face criminal penalties for getting an abortion.

It goes further than any other state has to restrict abortion. Other states, including neighboring Georgia, have instituted bans on abortion after about six weeks into pregnancy.

The vote came after a battle broke out over whether to allow legal abortions for women who become pregnant due to rape or incest, an issue that divided Republicans who otherwise supported outlawing abortion.

Last week, chaos erupted on the floor when Republican leaders stripped out the rape exception without a roll call vote, leading the final vote to be postponed. It got a full vote on Tuesday, but ultimately failed.

Lawmakers approved the legislation after a debate that stretched more than four hours, where minority Democrats introduced a slew of amendments in an attempt to block it.

?You don?t have to raise that child. You don?t have to carry that child. You don?t have to provide for that child. You don?t have to do anything for that child, but yet you want to make the decision for that woman,? the state senator Vivian Davis Figures told the bill?s proponents.

She introduced amendments that would require the state to expand Medicaid, force legislators who vote for the measure to pay the state?s legal bills, or make it a crime for men to get vasectomies. All failed.

Figures questioned the backers? resistance to adding an exception for rape and incest. ?Do you know what it?s like to be raped?? she said. ?Why would you not want a woman to at least have that exception for such a horrific act??

The bill has already passed the house. It must now be signed by the state?s governor, Kay Ivey.

The legislation is poised for an immediate legal challenge and to be overturned at least by the lower courts.

The ACLU and Planned Parenthood ?will file a lawsuit to stop this unconstitutional ban and protect every woman?s right to make her own choice about her healthcare, her body, and her future. This bill will not take effect anytime in the near future, and abortion will remain a safe, legal medical procedure at all clinics in Alabama,? the ACLU of Alabama said on Tuesday.

?Alabama politicians will forever live in infamy for this vote,? said Staci Fox, the president of Planned Parenthood Southeast Advocates, in a statement. ?In the coming days we will be mounting the fight of our lives ? we will take this to court and ensure abortion remains safe and legal.?

Backers of the ban are hoping the fight will go all the way to the supreme court, which ruled in the 1973 Roe v Wade case that women must be allowed to get abortions up to the point where the fetus can survive outside the womb.

?Human life has rights, and when someone takes those rights, that?s when we as government have to step in,? said the state senator Clyde Chambliss. ?When God creates that life, that miracle of life inside the woman?s womb, it?s not our place as humans to extinguish that life. That?s what I believe.?

The bill?s architects resisted the rape exception, saying they wanted a clean ban to present to the courts, and believed exceptions would violate the principle that an unborn child is a human life.

Opponents said the bill?s backers would squander public money defending a ban that will likely be struck down. ?Alabama taxpayers are going to be footing the bill for this unconstitutional action,? said the state senator Linda Coleman-Madison. But Chambliss said the cost was worth it if the legislation is able to prevent abortions. ?That?s pennies per baby,? he said.

The bill is part of a trend across the US in which Republican-controlled states are attempting to put new restrictions on abortion, gambling that they will fare better in the courts following the confirmation of new federal judges and supreme court justices picked by the Trump administration.

Opponents predict the legislation will drive doctors to leave Alabama, which already has some of the highest rates of infant mortality and cervical cancer.

Outside the Alabama statehouse, protesters wore costumes from The Handmaid?s Tale and carried signs, one reading: ?Alabama does not own me.?

Republicans, who have a super-majority in the chamber, carried the vote by a large margin, but the debate was dominated by Democrats objecting to the legislation, while few supporters spoke out on the floor.

The Senate minority leader, Bobby Singleton, launched a filibuster in an effort to delay the vote, until Republicans approved a motion to end debate. ?You just raped the state of Alabama,? he said. ?The state of Alabama ought to be ashamed of itself.? The message to women, he added, is: ?We?re just going to continue to kick ?em in the gut.?

As the vote was called, he concluded: ?I would just like to say to all the women of the state of Alabama, I?m sorry.?

There are no kind words, am restraining myself from adding further opinion. How likely is this to succeed?
Most pregnancy complications are not known to be severe in advance, they usually do not know the severity until it is already to that point with the exceptions of diseases such as cancer. In most maternal mortality cases though, they would have no way of knowing how severe it was going to be in advance to be able to qualify for a "serious high risk" exemption under the criteria required here. This will definitely increase maternal mortality further when it has already been increasing in the US as it is.
 

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Well to play devil's advocate, mabye this will now give people incentive to basically "Keep it in their pants"
The best way to get people to have healthier, safer sex is to provide them with good sex ed and easy access to contraceptives. Going the Alabama route of making abortion's illegal and not providing any sex ed at all is the equivalent of sticking your head in the sand and hoping your kids will be too afraid of sex (like, are teenagers ever?) to try it. If you want to keep teenagers and young adults from having unsafe sex, the best thing you can do is tell them the risks involved with sex and give them the means to mitigate the worsts risks, like pregnancy and STDs. But that would also involve adult people having to face their own prudeness and shame and speak to teenagers and young adults like people who can actually weigh risks in a responsible manner, which is not something that neo-con Christians are all that into.
 

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The Republican Party opposes women's rights. This is a fact based on the policies they support and endorse. I know this site doesn't like when I call out Republican political views, but this bill was literally put in place solely by Republicans.
 

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Samtemdo8 said:
McElroy said:
Good guy Alabama looking out for those without a voice. /s

As long as the supreme court verdict remains, the bill won't actually ban anything. However, it does embolden pro-lifers across the country.
Well to play devil's advocate, mabye this will now give people incentive to basically "Keep it in their pants"
No one works like that. The only way that would possibly happen is if they really bumped up sex education and female empowerment and even then its really iffy.
 

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Alabama is taking all of the Ls. Your college slogan is a synonym for incest, your football team lost to Sunshie from remember the titans and now this abortion is all kinds dipshit. Like how are you going to charge someone getting a abortion out of state. Like jurisdictions are a thing. This pretty much comedy too bad its real.
 

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Alabama is taking all of the Ls. Your college slogan is a synonym for incest, your football team lost to Sunshie from remember the titans and now this abortion is all kinds dipshit. Like how are you going to charge someone getting a abortion out of state. Like jurisdictions are a thing. This pretty much comedy too bad its real.
They are hoping that now that Trump and McConnell have stacked the courts that the new conservative Supreme court will overturn Roe v. Wade and make it illegal all over the US.

Alabama House Rep. Terri Collins, who sponsored the bill, told NBC News Tuesday evening that legislators wanted to keep the bill's text as clean as possible, specifically to address the language in Roe v. Wade, which talked about a baby being "in utero."
"This bill's purpose is to hopefully get to the Supreme Court and have them revisit the actual decision, which was, is the baby in a womb a person?" Collins said. "And we believe technology and science shows that it is. You can see that baby tissue develop all the way through now."
Georgia's Gov. Brian Kemp, a Republican, recently signed legislation banning abortions once a fetal heartbeat can be detected.
"Heartbeat abortion" bans have also been signed into law in Mississippi, Kentucky and Ohio this year. Lawmakers in Tennessee, Missouri, South Carolina, Florida, Texas, Louisiana and West Virginia are considering similar proposals.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/alabama-state-senate-passes-near-total-abortion-ban-direct-challenge-n1005556
 

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Samtemdo8 said:
Well to play devil's advocate, mabye this will now give people incentive to basically "Keep it in their pants"
No. That's factually wrong, condemning people for having a sex life is morally wrong, and the phrase "devil's advocate" doesn't make it better.
 

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It goes further than any other state has to restrict abortion.
Does it? My state's old pre-Roe v Wade abortion ban is still technically on the books (though found in violation of the state constitution and additionally unenforceable due to Roe v Wade), and we passed an amendment to the state constitution last year that explicitly said that nothing in the state constitution shall be construed as giving a right to abortion or to expenditure of state funds on abortion. So if Roe is overturned we automatically ban abortion, because the old ban would come back into effect.

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She introduced amendments that would require the state to expand Medicaid, force legislators who vote for the measure to pay the state?s legal bills, or make it a crime for men to get vasectomies. All failed.
All for the first two of those, especially the second. It's literally a law specifically intended to get challenged and shot down repeatedly in the courts - an amendment that makes the politicians pushing it financially responsible for fighting for it in the courts is a beautiful thing, sad it didn't stick.

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There are no kind words, am restraining myself from adding further opinion. How likely is this to succeed?
How likely is it to succeed? Not very. The whole point is for it to get overturned and go up the courts in the hopes that SCOTUS will see the case and with a more conservative balance of justices than in the past overturn Roe v Wade.

Since Roe v Wade is based on medical privacy, not on some kind of specific right to abortion, that opens all kinds of cans of worms if it's overturned.
 

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Neurotic Void Melody said:
There are no kind words, am restraining myself from adding further opinion. How likely is this to succeed?
It won't. At least not for a while.

The intent is to throw as much anti-abortion legislation at the books as possible, and get as many to SCOTUS in the hope it either cans or puts significant holes in Roe v. Wade.

It is probably unlikely that the SCOTUS, as currently constituted, will undo Roe v. Wade completely. Kavanaugh and Gorsuch were probably appointed with the specific intent of favouring overturning it, I believe Thomas would overturn it, Alito is on record stating opposition. Chief Justice Roberts, however, said in confirmation hearings he was not interested in overturning Roe v. Wade's precedent. Maybe he just said that to get the job, but he seems to me to be upright and disinterested in controversy. However, they might be prepared to seek ways around it that facilitate abortion restrictions - a gradual slicing away, rather than toppling it in one fell swoop.
 

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Agema said:
Neurotic Void Melody said:
There are no kind words, am restraining myself from adding further opinion. How likely is this to succeed?
It won't. At least not for a while.

The intent is to throw as much anti-abortion legislation at the books as possible, and get as many to SCOTUS in the hope it either cans or puts significant holes in Roe v. Wade.

It is probably unlikely that the SCOTUS, as currently constituted, will undo Roe v. Wade completely. Kavanaugh and Gorsuch were probably appointed with the specific intent of favouring overturning it, I believe Thomas would overturn it, Alito is on record stating opposition. Chief Justice Roberts, however, said in confirmation hearings he was not interested in overturning Roe v. Wade's precedent. Maybe he just said that to get the job, but he seems to me to be upright and disinterested in controversy. However, they might be prepared to seek ways around it that facilitate abortion restrictions - a gradual slicing away, rather than toppling it in one fell swoop.
I really don't get why so many rapists are anti-abortion. (Such as Kavanaugh)