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Sneeze

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Am I the only one that finds PC to be *more* offensive?

Oh no you can't say "******" or "queer" because that's offensive to homosexuals. I'm sorry did you just tell other people what I find offensive?

The word makes no difference, its the context its used. You can say something equally of offensive with a PC word in place of an offensive one, in fact in the situation of the first it just makes it sound pataronising to boot.
 

darkman80723

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PC to me makes no sense simply from the fact that if I call someone ******, spic, fag etc...its a crime. But when someone calls me a honky, chalky, cracker, or hick....well thats ok and not discriminatory at all
 

Arawn.Chernobog

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Political Correctness represses individual expression, thus it's a threat to personal rights and freedoms, 'nuff said.

PS: Even if the person is saying something like "You stupid negro", the person should still be allowed to his/her opinions and the ability to express them, no matter how idiotic or unfounded they may be, as long as these don't PHYSICALLY block someone else's liberties.
 

meticadpa

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Actually, I think we're saying "black" now.

But yeah, I think political correctness has gone mad. It's best reflected in comedy: the majorly successful comedians now (at least in the UK) are a sea of vanilla, ITV, family comedians. They're no longer able to make jokes that they once would have. Some people are still pushing limits like Frankie Boyle, though.
 

maturin

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Heard the word n****r or kike recently in polite or public society? Thank political correctness. It was from the start an earnest effort to change the language of a culture, because language has very real power, and it is impossible to effect necessary social change without changing the terms of public discourse.

The very term 'politically correct' was used by its detractors, and those who have most embraced the idea and the terminology as you know it are primarily corporations, businesses and spineless/overzealous public institutions. They are all petrified of our hyper-litigious culture, a problem that goes far beyond this one issue. Most ordinary people don't subscribe to the excessive and insincere propagation of political correctness that so many love to rag on.

But the detractors of political correctness go far beyond the pale. I've heard more veiled bigotry expressed by people ranting about how political correctness has victimized them than I care to relate. Political correctness has made racism cool again.
 

Johnwesleyharding

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I think we need to define PC-ness.

Politically correct

? adj
demonstrating progressive ideals, esp by avoiding vocabulary that is considered offensive, discriminatory, or judgmental, esp concerning race and gender

Collins English Dictionary - Complete & Unabridged 10th Edition
2009 © William Collins Sons & Co. Ltd. 1979, 1986 © HarperCollins
Publishers 1998, 2000, 2003, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2009

Key line: "avoiding vocabulary that is considered offensive, discriminatory, or judgmental, esp concerning race and gender". Political correctness is about not offending people. This is a good thing from an individualistic persective, because if you don't offend people, they tend to like you more. Ergo, people who like you have more potential to benefit you than people who don't like you.

This phenomenon has been labelled political correctness because, as well as helping some minorites reclaim their identity, it also helps a given politician to offend the least amount of people possible, and thus get the maximum amount of people to vote for the given politician (after policy, ideology, etc.).

Racism and sexism are bad for "races" (see people with "black" skin) and genders (see female) who have been historically repressed or are currently a minority. The goal with political correctness is to replace words that have offensive connotations with words that do not. The offensive connotations of words such as "******", "retard" and "******" come from the contexts in which they have been historically used. "******" was used by people trying to seriously deride people who had a different skin colour from, for having that skin colour. Retard has been used as an insult. Likewise, so has "******".

But this is where we hit dead-end. Why should people be offended? After all, why would a homosexual person be offended by being called "******", which effectively meant "homosexual" anyway? The simple answer to this question is the minority status of the offended groups.
Minority groups, put simply, are outnumbered by majority groups. If the label for their group, e.g. "retard" for mentally impaired people, starts becoming used as a label for bad things (e.g. "that movie was so retarded"), then they lose their sense of identity to a denotion for bad things in general. When your label becomes an insult, the insulting part of the label comes from the connotations attached to it by the minority. Eventually, it came to the point where calling a mentally impaired person "retarded" became insulting, not because it wasn't apt in a technical sense, but because of the implications attached to it by wider society. Thus, another label, free from these connotations was created.

Using the term retarded, although apt to describe things that are broken or disfunctional (by definiton of the word), was also the term for a minority group. The best thing that political correctness can do is to pick labels for minority groups (if labels must exist at all), that do not also correspond with negative things, whether the negative things are implicit or explicit. If over time the word begins to gain negative connotations, then the label should be scrapped. Sticks and stones do break bones, but words can attack something even more important without physically hurting a person. The mind.
 

sarethed

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A friend of mine is blind, and he doesn't care about being called blind... hell, he calls the rest of our group "sighted people".

But then, our group is not big on being politically correct. As George Carlin said: its soft language!
 

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I'm with him. Nothing annoys me more than someone saying "POLITICAL CORRECTNESS HAS GONE MAD!". Oh poor you. Are you upset because you can't use racist terms anymore? That must be awful.
 

Bobbity

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Political correctness is just a way of avoiding real issues, but I also think that it exacerbates problems. If we didn't think about these things, they probably wouldn't be so much of an issue. However, because everyone is so damned determined to be politically correct - which isn't the same thing as merely being polite or respectful - then it becomes so much more of an issue.
 

MikailCaboose

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Political correctness is just useless. All it really does is jump around the problem (i.e insulting people). Plus, interestingly, American Indians hate the term "Native American".
 

emeraldrafael

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Bobic said:
But baa baa rainbow sheep doesn't even fit. . .
This was my first though. I mean... wont this teach you to (EDIT: hate was too strong a word) separate gays?

Also... I can kinda see why you want Native Americans to be called that, cause both NAs and Indians get pissed if you call them one of the other. At least... I get pissed when somoene calls me Indian after I explain the difference and that I prefer Native American descent.

Though... I think the worst thing I ever heard I was supposed to call someone was you cant call small people (midgets, short people, dwarves) those words, and you're supposed to refer to them as "Vertically-Challenged".

So the first time I did that, I said it to a friend and he looked at me and it was basically like calling a black (why yes, I will say that, what do you want me to call them, overly pigmented?) the N word.

Wait a minute

FamoFunk said:
Here is a News artical (from 2006) where Children are now being taught to sing "Bah bah rainbow Sheep" instead of "Bah bah Black Sheep"

TRADITIONAL nursery rhymes are being rewritten at nursery schools to avoid causing offence to children.
Instead of singing "Baa baa, black sheep" as generations of children have learnt to do, toddlers in Oxfordshire are being taught to sing "Baa baa, rainbow sheep".

The move, which critics will seize on as an example of political correctness, was made after the nurseries decided to re-evaluate their approach to equal opportunities.

Stuart Chamberlain, manager of the Family Centre in Abingdon and the Sure Start centre in Sutton Courtenay, Oxfordshire, told the local Courier Journal newspaper: "We have taken the equal opportunities approach to everything we do".

Source: The Times [http://women.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/women/families/article738220.ece]
Does this mean if you call someone the black sheep of the family, we're suppposed to call them the rainbow sheep of the family?
 

thylasos

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It's simply the blindly bullshitting-in-ths-sandpit refusing to accept that certain terms are offensive that is annoying to me.

The suffix "-man" is largely responsible for removing women from formal history. Various other terms are used as terms of abuse in short order by a large percentage of the population.

I'm afraid that I believe far more in being polite and being respectful to people than being concerned for my own linguistic static state. People adopt new items of vocabulary all the time, and if it's for the sake of respect to someone's dignity then it's for a much more explicable reason than great swathes of linguistic change in present-day English.
 

FamoFunk

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Kortney said:




I'm with him. Nothing annoys me more than someone saying "POLITICAL CORRECTNESS HAS GONE MAD!". Oh poor you. Are you upset because you can't use racist terms anymore? That must be awful.
No one has said they hate it because they cannot be racist etc. to someone. I would never dream of just going up to a Black person and going "you ******" or someone in a wheelchair "you retard"

But when it comes to the point, here in the UK, I feel too awkward or scared to call a Black person Black or Asian person Asian in fear of being called racist or someone throwing the racist card at me. We have a problem, thanks to PC.
 

Mazza35

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It's completely out of control.

But just on the fireman not being gender netrual, if I am correct, fireman actually stands for 'Fire manager' So it doesn't discriminate between gender.

Just my three cents.
 

Blind Sight

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I'm largely against political correctness, just because I don't think it actually DOES anything. It's more there to make it appear like we're taking great steps in combatting racism, sexism, etc. If someone truly has an issue with a group, they still believe it despite political correctness, they're just not vocal about it. So which would you like, vocal racists/sexists/whatever that we can clearly see are idiots, or quiet ones that could very well end up in positions of power where they could actually act against the group they dislike?

Here's a bit of a metaphor for you. Let's say you murder someone in your house, and the blood gets all over the walls. Painting over it doesn't change the fact that the blood is still there.
 

octafish

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Someone who is visually impaired is ugly, not blind. Anyway the term "vision impaired" is used because there are people who are "legally blind" but can still see stuff so it is more accurate to say "vision impaired" rather than the somewhat misleading "blind". Anyway again, vision impaired is someone who can't see too good or at all, visually impaired is an ugly person.
 

Lukeje

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Mazza35 said:
It's completely out of control.

But just on the fireman not being gender netrual, if I am correct, fireman actually stands for 'Fire manager' So it doesn't discriminate between gender.

Just my three cents.
No. Because then the plural would be `firemans' not `firemen'. And it's actually gender neutral in the same way `mankind' is.