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DraftPickle

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OK It's about time its said, Labour have done a shit job int he past 3 years admittedly, but the Conservatives/Tories will be much worse, it angers me people who know nothing of British Politics are going to vote for them without knowing anything about them. Fucking David Cameron, I feel real sympathy for his son dying, but considering his politics he can go fuck him self, every Conservative MP I see is a complete nobody, George Osborne etc.
To a certain extent I lvoe my country, I don't want to see it ruined by posh, rich people who no sweet FA about the needs of the country, the only people worse are the BNP.
So I just want to know do other Brits see Britain going even more down the shitter thanks to the Tories?
 

Katherine Kerensky

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Does it really matter?
It'll all be swept away in the sweet, cleansing fires of Unification.
and as I have studied a bit of UK history... I think the Liberals may be a good party to get into power.
but they were good in the past. can't say anything about now.
 

thepj

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DraftPickle said:
OK It's about time its said, Labour have done a shit job int he past 3 years admittedly, but the Conservatives/Tories will be much worse, it angers me people who know nothing of British Politics are going to vote for them without knowing anything about them. Fucking David Cameron, I feel real sympathy for his son dying, but considering his politics he can go fuck him self, every Conservative MP I see is a complete nobody, George Osborne etc.
To a certain extent I lvoe my country, I don't want to see it ruined by posh, rich people who no sweet FA about the needs of the country, the only people worse are the BNP.
So I just want to know do other Brits see Britain going even more down the shitter thanks to the Tories?

well i personaly don't like the torry stance on somethings, but i do like their stance on stuff like the eu.

also could you please articulate why you don't want the torries in power other than: "I don't want to see it ruined by posh, rich people who no sweet FA about the needs of the country"
 

cuddly_tomato

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It's simply democracy. While I am utterly convinced that the Conservatives would be even worse than Labour have been (which is kind of like saying that one prefers to have ones home obliterated by explosives rather than acid), if people want that then let them have that. People get the politicians they deserve.
 

cartzo

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this sort of thing seems to go in a cycle in the UK, first we vote labour in and have a great 4-8 years but then they spend all the money and borrow too much (recesion), then we vote the tories in and they clean up labours mess but then they get corrupt, then we vote labour in and have a great 4-8 years but then they spend all the money and borrow to much (recesion).....etc.
 

TheEvilCheese

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Well we do live in a 'Democracy' where the party that can fling the most mud wins.
And im sure Cameron will win the next election, only for the people to realise that he is terrible and that Brown never really had a cance (he came into power at a bad, bad time).

So I think that the conservatives will be worse but it won't make that much difference to anyones lives.

Except Brown who will become infinitely populour.
 

DraftPickle

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Right so I'll say that the Lib Dems do deserve another chance at running the country once their party gets a stronger presence. I don't want to see the Tories in power because, if they are elected they will benefit only a small section of society, this then creates the ole shitness of the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer. They support this undisciplined type of banking that got us in this shit heap in the first place, we need institution like FSA to keep the banks in check. They believe in a mentality that everyone has a fair a chance of becoming successful and rich, this overly optimisitc view purely created through theory, in practise the reality is very different people do not all have even chances. Some MP's son has more of a chance in getting a influencing position in politics than I am and thats the thr brutal truth. All of what I have said can also be mirrored in our countries history. Write back if you want me to continue?
 

Nomad

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How about voting for a party other than the big three beauraucratic nightmares that keep mucking the country up? I know you guys have some solid options down on the left-hand side of the political spectrum. You just need to think outside the box and not vote for the oligarchs just because everyone else does.

Edit: Also, the UK seriously needs to reform the voting system into a weighted election. Your current one-man election circuits produce some seriously messed up statistics every once in a while, where your biggest party in terms of votes actually ends up having less seats than the runner-up in the parliament after the election.
 

DraftPickle

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Nomad said:
How about voting for a party other than the big three beauraucratic nightmares that keep mucking the country up? I know you guys have some solid options down on the left-hand side of the political spectrum. You just need to think outside the box and not vote for the oligarchs just because everyone else does.
Aye, problem is the Tories were the most powerful party throughout history and now its very hard for other parties to get a shoe in the door, our whole political system needs an overhaul, something that is in progress, but that as we all know the Tories will undo, reverting us back to the Thatcher days :(
 

Nepeccel

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Vote for someone else, stop complaining. If you want a government that centres itself around your beliefs then find a new island to populate.

As you seem to know a bit about politics than why do you not know about the MP reforms? the reforms will make it easier to be in politics if you are not related to a politician.
 

gewata

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EVERYONE VOTE FOR THE OFFICIAL MONSTER RAVING LOONY PARTY!

I'm serious, they would do a much better job than anyone else, and have had some sensible policies (eg. they were the 1st party to advocate lowering the voting age to 18 from 21).
 

DraftPickle

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Yes I know full well about MP reforms they are centered around the expenses and discipline of MP's not getting to be one, and they have now voted to completely reform the House of Lords. Chances are though these things will be undone before they get fully underway and it pisses me off that the average kid or joe doesn't know what is about to happen, I'm basically looking for faith in our population here the fact remains why has nothing been doen about it our fucking parliament is spineless!
 

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gewata said:
EVERYONE VOTE FOR THE OFFICIAL MONSTER RAVING LOONY PARTY!
Quoted for wisdom.


Seriously, Monster Raving is the way to go. Even if it was just for my grand-children to look in a text-book and remember a time of great unification/disaster whilst under the power of the Monster Raving Loony Party.
 

Spaghetti

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I really think the CONservatives (see what I did there?) will do a much worse job...but I'm a socialist so my opinion on "who's best" doesn't count for much.
Although I will say this, throughout the Confrence season, I did catch a sniff of Thatcherism *thunder* *ominous music*. Joking aside, these conservative policies should they come to government do strike me as something Thatcher would do - Slash and burn budget cuts, cutting bennefits for the disabled, fiddling with inheritance tax so the rich get richer...

I'm slowly loosing faith in our Parliamentary system, but I prefer it over the American presidential/congressional system, which is riddled with problems worse than ours. (No offence to our Yankee cousins, but that's just the way I see it.)
 

DraftPickle

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RossyB said:
I really think the CONservatives (see what I did there?) will do a much worse job...but I'm a socialist so my opinion on "who's best" doesn't count for much.
Although I will say this, throughout the Confrence season, I did catch a sniff of Thatcherism *thunder* *ominous music*. Joking aside, these conservative policies should they come to government do strike me as something Thatcher would do - Slash and burn budget cuts, cutting bennefits for the disabled, fiddling with inheritance tax so the rich get richer...

I'm slowly loosing faith in our Parliamentary system, but I prefer it over the American presidential/congressional system, which is riddled with problems worse than ours. (No offence to our Yankee cousins, but that's just the way I see it.)
You good fucking man! In the conferences Gordon Brown was actually good but once the media started telling everyone what to think its just turned to some shit heap, adn then David Cameron bashes on about all this shit they gonna do and not the effects it will have on the working class, politicians of the The Escapist where are you!
 

Agema

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Labour have not done well recently. However, the Tories are worse.

Firstly, the Tories alienated every single other country in Europe over the EU - they have no friends, no influence, and if the UK has no influence in Europe, it's got much less influence outside. I mean, if the Americans, Russians, Chinese or whoever want to sort stuff out, why speak to a country that's a pariah to the rest of the EU? Why should the US President have a "special relationship" with Britain, when it can't mediate between him and Europe? Basically, thanks for completely ruining the UK's diplomatic status and foreign relations before you even took power, David Cameron.

I mean, take the European Convention on Human Rights. It was inspired by no less than Winston Churchill, and drafted by another Tory MP, David Maxwell-Fyfe. It's a goddamn Tory document, and they want to scrap it from UK law and replace it with one saying exactly the same thing, except for Britain only, just because it's a 'European' Convention. That's how stupid the Tories are over Europe.

Secondly, what useful stuff have they to say about the crash? It is obvious to everyone (or should be) that the crash occurred because the banks screwed up. The government bails out the financial sector, and Cameron puts in a big speech complaining that the problem with the UK is an oversized public sector. I mean, wtf? The country was doing fine economically before, then the banks screw up, and suddenly it's the fault of the public sector?

I'd also suggest to look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxford_university_conservative_association and also read up on the Bullingdon Club. That's where a lot of Tory top brass come from. I mean, youthful exuberance and all that, but... come on. I know people who work in parliament, and from the stories there, the Tories are often crude, sexist, racist and snobbish, just they're usually fairly good at not being so when it might get to the press. Just look at their Euro allies in their new EU grouping. The Tories complain about the BNP in Britain, whilst forming alliances with BNP equivalents in Eastern Europe. Scary stuff.

Note the increasing wing of Conservatives who are neo-Conservative - check up people like Daniel Hannan. We all remember what George W. Bush was like, and it's people who think his way of doing things was great that are on the rise in the Tory party.

The Tories are going to increase and accelerate the degradation of public services. They're going to make it much more expensive for students to attend university, which everyone knows disadvantages poorer students. They're going to freeze public sector pay, which means an inevitable decrease in staff quality in the public sector, and that means worse quality government and government services. They favour (more than Labour) "choice" ideology in the public sector, which essentially means those with the most means get better services, whilst the average declines. I mean, basically, if you like stuff like the NHS and various other public services being looked after, you will never, ever do better deal with the Tories in power. They'll chip away, dismantle, and fudge things away into the private sector. You can see elements of this in how they start banging on about charities. That's the key - the government takes the money away, and they hope the public stump up their personal wealth to charity to cover the gap.

The Tories are more Thatcherite than ever, or maybe just US Republican neo-con. They've just learned from New Labour how to hide it in a nice, friendly, PR-wrapped sugar coating. Come the election, I'm not just voting for whoever can stop them, I'm campaigning for whoever is most likely to stop them.
 

Spaghetti

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Actually, just thought of a picture that sums up my opinion on David Cameron: He's all glitz and glamour, but no substance. Just like a:


Jellyfish! Ah how I love satire...
 

Jharry5

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The Tories have proved in the past what they're all about; just look at Thatcherism. I for one don't buy what Cameron says about the Conservatives changing their ways. They would be just as bad for this country (if not exactly) than Brown and New Labour has been.
Which brings me on to my next point; Labour, which has traditionally been the party for the working man, isn't exactly that any more. Brown did enough to alienate me when he assumed power in refusing to call a general election (and a referendum on the EU constitution). Voters really are caught between the devil and the deep blue sea.
 

EMFCRACKSHOT

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The Conservatives are going to pull this country back from the shit Labour has left us in. Billions in debt, a government that no one can trust and one of the most useless prime ministers we have ever had. Someone above me said the Conservatives are corrupt, but both main parties are corrupt as hell. the expenses scandal only confirmed this.
TYhis Labour government has a retarded immigration policy. They let in all those people who will just be a drain on the economy whilst those who have done a service or will be beneficial (e.g the iraqi interpreters) are not allowed in.
Remember the whole thing with the Ghurkas? The labour party, who you are so proud of, refused to give them the help they needed. These were people who were willing to give their lives for OUR country, and the labour government wanted to refuse them citizenship.
Labour has left us with an economy in ruins and has shaken the entire country's faith in british politics.
I'm not saying the Conservatives can do much better, but they certainly cant do any worse. I know i'm voting Conservative.
And you personally, you seem to me to be someone whohas taken the stereotypical view of the Conservatives, without actually looking at their policies and without listening to what they have to say, and used that to sing labours praises.