Poll: 40k or regular war hammer? preference

[Hawk of Battle]

40k. It's balls to the wall crazy scifi with magic and demons and chainswords and nukes. A friend got me into 40k with Dawn of War, which I then borrowed from him and I have since become quite opsessed with the verse. Recently bought my own copy of the game and started reading Gaunts Ghosts. I intend to get the upcoming Space Marine game, watch the movie and possibly get Dark Millenium once that comes out as well as the various other novels.

So yes, I am a fan.

 

[GrinningManiac]

Don't really like the tabletop. Love the "fluff", so that's my basis

Started with 40k, still love it. However at the moment I'm painting Ogres because I love 'em, and so at the moment fantasy wins 'cus they've got Ogres

 

[MasterV]

Venerate the Immortal Emperor! 40k of course. No contest.

 

[y1fella]

Tau!

For the greater good!

Tyranid!

For the hive!

Xenos sympathizer. You must be purged.

FOR THE EMPRAH!

Bah! Our numbers will swarm over your forces!
Our superior technology will bring down the false god!

WAAAGH! Gorskragga's gonna stomp the lot of yaz!



Okay to actually contribute.
I obviously prefer 40k to Fantasy. It's just got a better backstory and I enjoy the setting a lot more.

My primary army is obviously the Orks. I can field a respectable force of roughly 2100 pts.

I have a decent 1500 point Space Marine army and the beginnings of a Slaanesh/Khorne Daemon host.
I have some Necrons, Tyranid and Chaos Marine figs but they're display only for now. Just some stuff I picked up so I wouldn't have to paint anything Green for a while.

I'm starting to build up a decent Skaven force for Warhammer Fantasy though.

I can never beat the ork with my Tau, i roll most but the Ork WAAAAGH!! just devastates. any way i can field exactly 2000 points of Tau (no gay ass Kroot retards thank you) What tactics do you prefer?

 

[fgdfgdgd]

Tau!

For the greater good!

Tyranid!

For the hive!

Xenos sympathizer. You must be purged.

FOR THE EMPRAH!

Bah! Our numbers will swarm over your forces!
Our superior technology will bring down the false god!

HERESY! YOU DARE DENY THE WILL OF THE EMPRAH!?!!?!?

Ah, it's just like the old days with crimson5pheonix.

The emperor will tremble before our hordes!

First the Imperial Palace, then the Gate!

Sanguinius cannot save you this time!

The Catra will crush you all!!! the Tau will prosper.

 

[Sonicron]

Tau: Prodigious fire power, and the only morally justifiable team in 4ok

Obviously. I mean, who doesn't enjoy being forced to choose between assimilating into a completely different culture and being sent off to a concentration camp?

OT: 40k, for sure. Fantasy has some decent stuff too, like witch hunters and dwarves, but 40k has so much more to offer in my opinion. I'm obsessed with the fluff and have made it my mission to hunt down every last 40k novel from the Black Library.

 

[Hippobatman]

I've collected a 1500p Hordes of Chaos army (with the mark of Khorne, of course), and I started with Empire as well, so I'm a fan of the Warhammer Fantasy Battles.

Still, some of the 40K stuff is cool too.

I should get back to painting one of these days, my models have been collecting dust for years now..

 

[y1fella]

Tau: Prodigious fire power, and the only morally justifiable team in 4ok

Obviously. I mean, who doesn't enjoy being forced to choose between assimilating into a completely different culture and being sent off to a concentration camp?

OT: 40k, for sure. Fantasy has some decent stuff too, like witch hunters and dwarves, but 40k has so much more to offer in my opinion. I'm obsessed with the fluff and have made it my mission to hunt down every last 40k novel from the Black Library.

But their goals are to ultimately help the people. I'm not saying they are good but at least they Have a moral basis for their actions. Plus if you don't fight, they're pretty friendly (see the Kroot)

 

[Sonicron]

But their goals are to ultimately help the people. I'm not saying they are good but at least they Have a moral basis for their actions. Plus if you don't fight, they're pretty friendly (see the Kroot)

I suppose you could argue that in war the end justifies the means, but I don't buy that. No matter how you slice it, there are no 'good guys' in W40k. Hitler was ultimately trying to 'help' the people, too... his people, anyway.

 

[y1fella]

But their goals are to ultimately help the people. I'm not saying they are good but at least they Have a moral basis for their actions. Plus if you don't fight, they're pretty friendly (see the Kroot)

I suppose you could argue that in war the end justifies the means, but I don't buy that. No matter how you slice it, there are no 'good guys' in W40k. Hitler was ultimately trying to 'help' the people, too... his people, anyway.

I'm not saying they are the good guys. More like the anti heroes. if the imperium wasn't that all ready. They aren't good. but they do have a moral reason for doing what they do.

 

[Aidinthel]

But their goals are to ultimately help the people. I'm not saying they are good but at least they Have a moral basis for their actions. Plus if you don't fight, they're pretty friendly (see the Kroot)

The Imperium's goal is to ensure the survival of humanity by any means necessary. I'm pretty sure you can find a moral basis in there somewhere. Heck, some of the followers of Chaos truly believe that they are humanity's best hope. And of course if you join them they'll give you anything you want. What could be friendlier than that?

The point is that everyone has a reason for what they do. Good intentions do not mean good actions.

OT: I read both, but I prefer 40k. The epic scale better lends itself to more varied novels.

 

[Badger Kyre]

warhammer 40,000. because it has tanks.

so does war hammer, you know that stupid gay pile of carp steam tank

something... Fishy about that post.

Both, for different moods - sci-fi and fantasy take up different "head space" in my geeky brainitude.

As to the Tau, I'm sketchy on newe lore ( i owned "Rogue Trader" ), but my impression of them was they suffered from "white man's burden" syndrome and weren't precisely squeaky clean.

The Trope Namer is the 1899 poem "The White Man's Burden" by Rudyard Kipling, the gist of which is that it's the responsibility of white Western nations to colonize the rest of the world and rule over it until it fully "develops," i.e. assimilates. The poem actually anticipates the colonized cultures' lack of gratitude for this "service," but portrays it as the cost of doing the right thing (hence the title). It's frequently interpreted as a Stealth Parody, which may or may not be wishful thinking by those doing so; either way, it was certainly taken at face value by plenty of imperialists, who adopted "white man's burden" as a slogan similar to "manifest destiny."

 

[Diddy_Mao]

I can never beat the ork with my Tau, i roll most but the Ork WAAAAGH!! just devastates. any way i can field exactly 2000 points of Tau (no gay ass Kroot retards thank you) What tactics do you prefer?

Without going into too much detail it's pretty much 2 units of Sluggs boys and 1 unit of 'ard boys, 2 HQ units consisting of a Warboss and his Nob Squad and a Big Mek attached to a squad of Burna Boyz.
1 Squad of Lootas, 2 Deff Dreads and 6 Killa Kans. (If I think I'm going to run into some heavy weaponry I'll swap out my Lootas for Tankbustas.)

My Tactics are actually pretty simple. Rush forward with my Sluggas and get into assault range as quickly as possible trying to surround them so I can get them all within template range of my Burna Boys.

My Deff Dreads bring up the rear and lay down suppressing fire with their Big Shootas until they're in range to use their Skorchas and then it's just Template weapon mayhem.
My main tactic with the Dreads and Kans is to keep my Big Mek within range so they gain the cover bonus from his Kustom Force Field.

While that's going on I'll have my Warboss and his Nob Squad go hunting for the other player's HQ and Heavy Support units.

It aint pretty but it's usually pretty effective.
Although I'll openly admit it's pretty useless against the 'nids. The Template weapons do a decent job but with the Ork's terrible ballistics skill I have no way of thinning their ranks before they swarm over me.

 

[Diddy_Mao]

warhammer 40,000. because it has tanks.

Yes but Warhammer fantasy has the Hamster wheel of DOOM!

 

[y1fella]

But their goals are to ultimately help the people. I'm not saying they are good but at least they Have a moral basis for their actions. Plus if you don't fight, they're pretty friendly (see the Kroot)

The Imperium's goal is to ensure the survival of humanity by any means necessary. I'm pretty sure you can find a moral basis in there somewhere. Heck, some of the followers of Chaos truly believe that they are humanity's best hope. And of course if you join them they'll give you anything you want. What could be friendlier than that?

The point is that everyone has a reason for what they do. Good intentions do not mean good actions.

OT: I read both, but I prefer 40k. The epic scale better lends itself to more varied novels.

But tau aren't just in it for survival they're trying to help everyone that can be helped (orks just can't be helped). plus the imperium has that whole Kill Xenos cause their not human thing. And chaos... seriously not the good guys, the bad guys. No other way to put it. I mean come on: blood for the blood god! that's not a nice man.

 

[Valkyrie101]

I think Fantasy is a better, more tactical game (this is only hearsay, I've only played 40K), but 40K has a better universe, and better fiction.

 

[Miffmoff]

I prefer Fantasy, a lot of my friends do it and we have a laugh

we also play 40K but to a lesser extent, its rare to play 40K if fantasy is an option

 

[y1fella]

I can never beat the ork with my Tau, i roll most but the Ork WAAAAGH!! just devastates. any way i can field exactly 2000 points of Tau (no gay ass Kroot retards thank you) What tactics do you prefer?

Without going into too much detail it's pretty much 2 units of Sluggs boys and 1 unit of 'ard boys, 2 HQ units consisting of a Warboss and his Nob Squad and a Big Mek attached to a squad of Burna Boyz.
1 Squad of Lootas, 2 Deff Dreads and 6 Killa Kans. (If I think I'm going to run into some heavy weaponry I'll swap out my Lootas for Tankbustas.)

My Tactics are actually pretty simple. Rush forward with my Sluggas and get into assault range as quickly as possible trying to surround them so I can get them all within template range of my Burna Boys.

My Deff Dreads bring up the rear and lay down suppressing fire with their Big Shootas until they're in range to use their Skorchas and then it's just Template weapon mayhem.
My main tactic with the Dreads and Kans is to keep my Big Mek within range so they gain the cover bonus from his Kustom Force Field.

While that's going on I'll have my Warboss and his Nob Squad go hunting for the other player's HQ and Heavy Support units.

It aint pretty but it's usually pretty effective.
Although I'll openly admit it's pretty useless against the 'nids. The Template weapons do a decent job but with the Ork's terrible ballistics skill I have no way of thinning their ranks before they swarm over me.

yeah.. i think the nids are over powered. but if you got enough fire power and high enough moral (like I do) target the strain leaders. if you succeed you scatter their forces and don't get totally swarmed. it doesn't always work but it's better than nothing.

 

[Sonicron]

But their goals are to ultimately help the people. I'm not saying they are good but at least they Have a moral basis for their actions. Plus if you don't fight, they're pretty friendly (see the Kroot)

I suppose you could argue that in war the end justifies the means, but I don't buy that. No matter how you slice it, there are no 'good guys' in W40k. Hitler was ultimately trying to 'help' the people, too... his people, anyway.

I'm not saying they are the good guys. More like the anti heroes. if the imperium wasn't that all ready. They aren't good. but they do have a moral reason for doing what they do.

Teeheehee. You make me giggle. I suppose the status you ascribe to the Imperium isn't that far off, but even in the context of surroundings and opposing parties the Imperium is a Nazi regime, pure and simple. Connecting this fact to the notion of any kind of heroism is just deliciously ironic.

As for what you say about the Tau, yeah, I suppose that's true. They go about their work with the terrifying conviction of the true believer, but their goal is harmony. Of sorts.
Then again, the same goes for the Necrons.