Poll: 5 reasons why a Watchmen Movie was unnecessary.

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Arcade_Fire

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I challenge this guy to come up with five reasons a movie absolutely has to be made.

Movies aren't necessary... they're entertainment.

If all I cared about was necessity, I'd be stockpiling baked beans, water, and guns instead of spending my money on movie tickets.
 

Neesa

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It seems that everyone is a fuckin' critic nowadays. Nothing can have standalone value and entertainment. Not everything thing needs a reason behind it. You do it just because. If he wants to question why the Watchmen movie was made, he needs to watch why anything in the Arts was ever made. Self-expression. Getting a point across. Not everyone's imagination can grasp something that happens on a comic book well. Sometime people need motion, voices, sound to get a better grasp or understanding. So saying if it was 'necessary'... Please buddy, pull the stick out your ass and get off your high horse cause most of his points didn't make me NOT want to see the movie. In fact, it did the opposite. It made me want to see it more to see how valid his points were. [I'm gonna see it after I finish reading the novel.] Plus, I didn't appreciate the fact he called people that read his blog and wanted to see the movie "mindless sheep" as well. Man, way to turn off your audience. Someone needs to ask that guy "Was it necessary for me to make this blog post to make me look like a dick?" Bet you he didn't think of that one.

ANY-freakin-WAY, comic books itself are a separate art form that is extraordinary. Artist can have a novel as long and as extensive as they want it. Speaking as both an artist and an avid manga/comic reader, I know. Which is why I prefer manga/comics over a movie/anime any day. Since it seems that many people lack patience, movies have to be long enough to get the story across but short enough to keep the attention of the audience. That in itself is a double-edge sword that I could never understand. If people stat in the movies for 4hrs to watch Titanic or Lord of the Rings, why can't any other movie be that long? Sometimes they leave out important details that were in the book, which annoys me. Grr.

But like mostly everyone said in the thread, stuff like movies are made for our entertainment and sanity. If we had nothing to take our minds off the bullshit that we have to live on a daily basis... I don't think people could handle life really. It'd be too depressing and cut throat. I'd take a movie over that any day.

Can't wait to see the movie.
 

Captain Blackout

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To paraphrase Dr. Manhattan: Is life necessary?

That's the rub right there folks. We want so much out of life that in the end we become petty monsters trying to make our lives into more then they are. Or worse, we become apathetic dissipates who live self-centered existences because we can't come up with something better. Oooo I'm gonna get flamed now. Flame away, I know I'm right. Masters of philosophy and living gave us everything we needed thousands of years ago and we traded it all for consumerism. So Snyder dips into consumerism and gives us a beautiful and tragically honest look at ourselves. We are savage. We are jaded. We are self-centered. Our little planet can not continue to support our way of living and our only hope is to find a way to work together. Will it come from within or will it have to be forced from without?

We need more people reading Moore's work. As more people watch the movie certainly some of them, hopefully many, will read "The Watchmen". We need art. We need it to escape our lives and we need it to honestly see ourselves without going nuts.

I gaurantee you that Campbell is another snarky dissipate whose consumption in life is not equalled by his altruistic giving to others. I'm an f'ing pirate and we can always smell our own.

Watch the movie. I bloody well hate paying full price so I'm picky as feck. It's well worth the full price of a ticket. Then read the book. For emphasis: READ THE BOOK. Look for yourselves in it. Then go out and look at the world around you and at the people you love and the people you don't, and ask yourself "What am I doing to make it better? What am I doing to make it worse?"
 

Neesa

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Captain Blackout said:
To paraphrase Dr. Manhattan: Is life necessary?

That's the rub right there folks. We want so much out of life that in the end we become petty monsters trying to make our lives into more then they are. Or worse, we become apathetic dissipates who live self-centered existences because we can't come up with something better. Oooo I'm gonna get flamed now. Flame away, I know I'm right. Masters of philosophy and living gave us everything we needed thousands of years ago and we traded it all for consumerism. So Snyder dips into consumerism and gives us a beautiful and tragically honest look at ourselves. We are savage. We are jaded. We are self-centered. Our little planet can not continue to support our way of living and our only hope is to find a way to work together. Will it come from within or will it have to be forced from without?

We need more people reading Moore's work. As more people watch the movie certainly some of them, hopefully many, will read "The Watchmen". We need art. We need it to escape our lives and we need it to honestly see ourselves without going nuts.

I gaurantee you that Campbell is another snarky dissipate whose consumption in life is not equalled by his altruistic giving to others. I'm an f'ing pirate and we can always smell our own.

Watch the movie. I bloody well hate paying full price so I'm picky as feck. It's well worth the full price of a ticket. Then read the book. For emphasis: READ THE BOOK. Look for yourselves in it. Then go out and look at the world around you and at the people you love and the people you don't, and ask yourself "What am I doing to make it better? What am I doing to make it worse?"
No need to worry about getting flamed. You're totally right. It's so hard to try to 'work together' when people let their differences get in the way. Trying to achieve a better way a living is damn near impossible. Which is why we're never gonna achieve world peace. Until people put aside their difference and try to work towards one common good for humanity, you can forget it.
 

HonorableChairman

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For a deeper comment, I feel that the movie was grandly successful in a number of areas, and yet I can't help but feel that something was amiss.

Thoughout the movie it seemed as though I was always trying to follow too many thematic threads to see where they went. In the serial nature of a comic book, a writer/artist can freely explore new themes every issue even if the series ends up as a single graphic novel. Single movies, even when incredibly long simply seem to be a poor medium for exploring so many seperate ideas.

I can only point to V for Vendetta, another movie adaptation of the same (writer? Artist? one of the two I don't recall) work. The movie made substantial changes to the plot and even altered my perception of many key characters. While I was initially outraged at the changes, when I viewed the movie simply as a movie and not an adaptation of a beloved book I realized that the changes were, in all likelyhood for the better. Rather than explore the diverse themes of the nature of the hero, the potential blunders of conservatism taken too far, the evils and ills of warfare, the docile acceptance of the people and so forth, they delivered a streamlined version where there was little thematic conflict in most areas. At the end of the day, in V for Vendetta one cannot help but root for the murderous V, yet by the end of the saga in the novel I was hopelessly torn. Where V's goals of revenge are essentially in pursuit of the noble cause of freeing Britain fom tyranny in the movie, in the novel he undertakes his mission of vengence simply to plunge the nation into chaos.

When I watched the movie The Watchmen, I had not ever (and still have not) read the graphic novel. Yet, at the final accounting it seemed that only Rorsasch remained a hero, though he is revealed as being essentially powerless. The rest trade in their notions fo heroism for pragmatism and Viedht himself is painted as being nothing more than a well intentioned, well spoken murderous thug. I can't help but think I'm supposed to respect his action and grudgingly regard him as the hero, but I just can't bring myself to like someone who has plotted long and hard to murder tens of millions. Yes, he did it in order to gain world peace, but I can't help but think there had to be a better way.

In short, having never read the novel I can only assume that this problem is the direct result of too close an adaptation, but this is a damned if you do damned if you don't scenario. Most of the rest of my qualms are momentary at best. The softcore porn sequence springs to mind. But, in spite of these gripes I think the movie succeeded in more ways than not. I'll pick up the graphic novel here in the next few days so I can attempt to better resolve my problems with the themes. It might be a flaw of the novel but I suspect that's not the case.
Give this man a gold star.
 

Faeanor

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Writing this before watching the movie only solidifies his views as being "nothing can ever be better than it was the first time." And as far as I'm concerned, that's just bad form.

I haven't read the book, but I ordered it off Amazon. Movie was excellent.
 

Radelaide

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Crazzee said:
xxcloud417xx said:
The Movie was well done. Was it necessary though? No. It was not necessary. But then again, Is any film adaptation of ANY book necessary? I mean just go read the book if you want the story. So no I don't believe it was necessary but I won't shit on it because they made the movie. In fact I woud love to go see it just because it looks like a great film.
But the problem with this logic is that people HATE reading these days. "Why read a 300 page book for a month when I can watch a movie of it for an hour and a half?", to quote one of my friends. I very much would rather read a book, thanks, but the point is that people don't like to read.
I'm going to go and find the book. I'll be quite happy to read it and see how close to the storyline the film really was.
 

SquirrelPants

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Radelaide said:
Crazzee said:
xxcloud417xx said:
The Movie was well done. Was it necessary though? No. It was not necessary. But then again, Is any film adaptation of ANY book necessary? I mean just go read the book if you want the story. So no I don't believe it was necessary but I won't shit on it because they made the movie. In fact I woud love to go see it just because it looks like a great film.
But the problem with this logic is that people HATE reading these days. "Why read a 300 page book for a month when I can watch a movie of it for an hour and a half?", to quote one of my friends. I very much would rather read a book, thanks, but the point is that people don't like to read.
I'm going to go and find the book. I'll be quite happy to read it and see how close to the storyline the film really was.
You'll be in for a pleasant surprise if you like things being really alike, apart from the ending.
 

wewontdie11

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I do tend to enjoy the cinema most as a form of media so yea I think it was necessary. It was fantastic to see some really great characters come to life on the big screen, even talking and behaving with mannerisms just as I had imagined them.