Poll: 6 Days in Fallujah (Discussion)
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Except Shacknews(a respectable gaming news source) latest article on the subject,gave out a completely different impression. But I will take anything created by the ARMA 2 community, even if it's based in Iraq or Afghanistan (some talented individuals took their sweet time to work on missions loosely based on some of the reports from wikileaks), and that, I can respect, at least they are not pretending to be something they are not.clipped crow said:
wow getting more views than i thought. i just want to point out Witchwood saying stuff like "killing shit is fun get over it" not a valid counter argument should not have been posted. cainx10a its only propaganda if thay are lying. This will be a game based on actuall events ment to tell people a little of what happened not why or why we think it happened. Tdc2182 and aquaman839 you guys have good points and strong arguments in favor the kind of thing we need more of in the game industry. Now the reason i most wanted to put this up was the end message of the video we need to stand up for our medium more often. I think what better way than to get this game finished and on shelves.
I voted maybe. I think the game should be made, but I'm pretty sure a petition will be next to useless.
This is just a bunch of ignorant morons whining about how video games are childs' playthings, and we can't portray something so real and important with them!
These people are wrong. Dead freaking wrong. Video games are an artistic medium no less capable of portraying these things and informing people of real events than any other medium. When a movie is made about a real battle, it's praised, but when a video game does the exact same freaking thing it gets protested into oblivion? No. We cannot stand for that. I doubt a petition would actually change anything, but the game should be made.
These people are wrong. Dead freaking wrong. Video games are an artistic medium no less capable of portraying these things and informing people of real events than any other medium. When a movie is made about a real battle, it's praised, but when a video game does the exact same freaking thing it gets protested into oblivion? No. We cannot stand for that. I doubt a petition would actually change anything, but the game should be made.
ok mabey petition was the wrong word but i just want to know how much support there would be if we did something like protest to get it finished
When I first heard of the game it was described as a "Survival Horror"
This was before EC did a story on it, like when it was first shot down.
It would be an atrocity if it was resurrected because it would most likely end up another brown shooter. Its what the market wants, its less controversial, people would buy it.
But could you imagine you and a squad trapped? And had to make your way across a hostile city on foot? Like in that movie The Warriors?
(for those who haven't seen it, its on Netflix, you have no excuse)
Where you have to make it out alive? No cheap quicktime events, just action and terror from the forces outnumbering your own?
Now THATS a game, but we will have to build that one from the ground up. So why bother bringing the dead back when you can create anew?
This was before EC did a story on it, like when it was first shot down.
It would be an atrocity if it was resurrected because it would most likely end up another brown shooter. Its what the market wants, its less controversial, people would buy it.
But could you imagine you and a squad trapped? And had to make your way across a hostile city on foot? Like in that movie The Warriors?
(for those who haven't seen it, its on Netflix, you have no excuse)
Where you have to make it out alive? No cheap quicktime events, just action and terror from the forces outnumbering your own?
Now THATS a game, but we will have to build that one from the ground up. So why bother bringing the dead back when you can create anew?
Thaius very good argument full of passion and intelligence. Odegauger this is not just another as you put it "interactive army porn" it could be classified as the first ever Documentary video game. Kajaho it would mean more for standing up for our medium to get the old one brought back then to make a new one and depending on how we do it it could help change the image that gamers every where have from just a bunch of kids and good for nothing adults living in our parents basement to a respectable community of people willing to stand up and organize in a professional and respectful way for the artistic medium which is our preferred choice. this is how i feel because video game have taught me more about myself than any other experience i have had so far in my life. Now im still young im only 21 and im sure my life will have many more experiences that will teach or change me but for right now i will stand behind video games as an art form.
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you obviously did not read my post or understand what this game was about. it was like i said more of a documentary than an attempt at a great game
Okay, here's the problem with that proposition. Who would you send the petition to? Capcom? They abandoned the project a while ago. Atomic Games? You don't need to convince them to do something they want to do. The problem is they have no investors, and they can't finish a game with no investors.A Cute baby kitten said:
I say we do something different. The same thing Diaspora did to earn money, but different. Micro investments. We each give, let's say 5 or 10 bucks now, in exchange for a 5 or 10 dollar discount when the game's released.
We get the game, they get the money, it's all good. Of course this plan requires refinement, but I'm too tired to think about it now.
Whether the game is sensitive to the families of those lsot is frankly irrelevant, the same way the sensitivity to the families of 9/11 victims was irrelevant in the "Ground-Zero" "Mosque" debate (y'know, the one that wasn't at ground zero, and wasn't a mosque?). It's a matter of the first-ammendment, and according to it I can write Springtime for Hitler if I want to, and thus I can also develop Six Days in Fallujah (which, according to what it's supposed to be gameplay wise, sounds awesome, by the way).
I think most definitly someone should push to have this game done, and I can think of three good reasons why. For one it would be nice to see real life events outside of WW2 depicted in a game, secondly tackling something like this would be a real step forward for the medium as an(Assuming of course no one tries to pussy out when the controversy starts kicking up), and three putting real world events like this in a game might help to teach younger people who might not know about the Battle of Fallujah, learn about it without hitting them over the head with it.
I would've bought SDIF, if I got to play as the Fallujans or whatever they're called. I've had enough of stepping into the boots of All-American Granite-Chin Bullet Sponge #1234 to gun down the occupants of a country that has fuck all bearing on the world. The only reason that the taliban are percieved as a threat is because it's considered inethical to nuke the mountain ranges of Afghanistan to flush out the turban-heads and then summarily execute them from inside an Apache or Little Bird.
See, it's not really about controversy, it's more about America getting nervous that people might come to realise that they aren't the paragon nation of hope and goodness they wish they were. Their actions recently are best summarized as being nosy pricks.
"Gawrsh, doesn't that thar country look like it needs some help? Let's throw soldiers at it until things go back to normal. We're helpers!" This appears to be the thought process behind the whole Afghanistan/Iraq conflicts, where America are like the unwelcome guests at the mosque and keep wiping their feet on the sacred drapes or something.
See, it's not really about controversy, it's more about America getting nervous that people might come to realise that they aren't the paragon nation of hope and goodness they wish they were. Their actions recently are best summarized as being nosy pricks.
"Gawrsh, doesn't that thar country look like it needs some help? Let's throw soldiers at it until things go back to normal. We're helpers!" This appears to be the thought process behind the whole Afghanistan/Iraq conflicts, where America are like the unwelcome guests at the mosque and keep wiping their feet on the sacred drapes or something.
Yeah i do. Very very strongly. It sickens me. Physically sickens me. That we ask young men to go and fight and die while we, the public, hold hands on ears and keep heads safely in the ground. This isnt fair. We ask of them so much more than we are willing to give. It sickens me we feel that what is so hidiously grotesque it must be censored from public view should be EXPECTED of men to experience FIRST hand, mostly of a younger age than those lobbying to have the material censored. This is the world. This is what we ask of men today. This is what we ask of people to experience. If we feel we cant view this, even in a pretend environment, how can we ask that people live it. That hypocracy sickens me. I want to see, want to know what we ask of those poeple, and think its wrong that we try to hide from people what they go though.A Cute baby kitten said:
In fact i want to lobby for a movie of the following. 2 hours of assorted cuts of a soldiers gun/helmet camera showing a first person view of real war. No bullshit. No censor. A full view of what they experience. Why should we hide it? What are we scared will happen? That people will see war is so full of horror it shouldnt happen? Will they second guess their right to ask others to fight it? I think we deserve that choice.