Poll: 8 year old Botox girl taken into care

[templargunman]

If you inject a child with botox you have clearly stated to the world that you are an imbecile, and therefore unfit to raise a child. Honestly, if you put your child into a beauty pageant you are unfit to raise a child.

Edit: "I'd rather not put it out there. I have a trusted source where I get it. He is behind the doctor scene and everything." What does "doctor scene" mean crazy lady?!? Do you get botox from someone who thinks doctors are cool? He's probably some hipster med-student.

 

[JoJo]

Until the ations hurt the child, there's no reason to to take away them away from the parents.

If your definition of harm is purely physical then I hope you never raise children.

well first, I make a great parent (not that I am one, but I've been raising my cousins for my realtives while they work).

second, that was an overall blanket statement, and never once did it separate physical or emotional or mental harm. You're the one that decided to make the assumption.

Third, there needs to be a voice of reason, because what this mother does is no different then any of the other beauty pageant moms. Everyone's just all in a tizzle because this one decided to go for that direct approach of keeping your child's young youthful child look.

Cant blame the players for playing to win the game.

Sorry to jump into someone-elses argument, but giving a little girl treatment with known side-effects to remove wrinkles isn't keeping them "youthful", it's unneeded and will ruin her skin when she's older. Doesn't the fact that she could well die if the treatment goes wrong concern you?

I have a little sister who will be 8 in about 4 months, so I have experience with that age group and trust me, most young girls that age will do anything if they think it will make them "beautiful", which is why this story is so sad, because the little girl has been brainwashing into thinking she needs the treatment.

 

[p3t3r]

Children's beauty pageants should be illegal. Seriously. Teaching young children that unless they happen to look picture-perfect, they're not worth a damn thing. How can anyone fail to see the harm in that?

i agree completely there is a show about it on tlc that my sisters watch it disgusts me.

 

[emeraldrafael]

Until the ations hurt the child, there's no reason to to take away them away from the parents.

If your definition of harm is purely physical then I hope you never raise children.

well first, I make a great parent (not that I am one, but I've been raising my cousins for my realtives while they work).

second, that was an overall blanket statement, and never once did it separate physical or emotional or mental harm. You're the one that decided to make the assumption.

Third, there needs to be a voice of reason, because what this mother does is no different then any of the other beauty pageant moms. Everyone's just all in a tizzle because this one decided to go for that direct approach of keeping your child's young youthful child look.

Cant blame the players for playing to win the game.

Sorry to jump into someone-elses argument, but giving a little girl treatment with known side-effects to remove wrinkles isn't keeping them "youthful", it's unneeded and will ruin her skin when she's older. Doesn't the fact that she could well die if the treatment goes wrong concern you?

I have a little sister who will be 8 in about 4 months, so I have experience with that age group and trust me, most young girls that age will do anything if they think it will make them "beautiful", which is why this story is so sad, because the little girl has been brainwashing into thinking she needs the treatment.

Like I said, If it causes harm, there is reason to take it away. When the story first broke, I said it was wrong, mainly cause the mother did it. if professional had (and with the mother's consent) then regardless of if the girl got it or not, it wouldnt matter, because you cant really stop it if both parties agreed and the child is under age of consent.

Not once in that sentence I was originally quoted for did i agree or disagree. Jsut stated an opinion and truth of the law.

 

[ParkourMcGhee]

Eh... huh? Are you claiming that she would be better off still with her mother rather than in care? I know care isn't that great for raising a child, but at-least she won't have to regularly undergo high-risk painful medical treatment for no reason. The root cause of the problem, insecure parents who harm their own child for fleeting moments of glory, is however rather hard to remove from society.

People do that themselves all the time knowing what they're going into, and after reading a bit into the article the girl seems to be of about as sound a judgement as the rest of the ones who do it.

Simply: I don't believe for a second she won't do it herself when she hits age of consent if she has the money.

The rest is culture.

Whether we like it or not.

 

[Deleted]

I think the mom should be charged with child abuse. If not, then force her to inject botox into herself and we'll see how she likes it.

 

[JoJo]

Eh... huh? Are you claiming that she would be better off still with her mother rather than in care? I know care isn't that great for raising a child, but at-least she won't have to regularly undergo high-risk painful medical treatment for no reason. The root cause of the problem, insecure parents who harm their own child for fleeting moments of glory, is however rather hard to remove from society.

People do that themselves all the time knowing what they're going into, and after reading a bit into the article the girl seems to be of about as sound a judgement as the rest of the ones who do it.

Simply: I don't believe for a second she won't do it herself when she hits age of consent if she has the money.

The rest is culture.

Whether we like it or not.

There's a big difference between an adult choosing the treatment themselves, which I have no issue with, and a small child having their parent coax them into doing it. You may not have had much experience with young children but by their nature they are very easy to lead along and convince to believe something which for an adult would seem blindingly evident. I'll quote myself from earlier in this thread as it sums up my thoughts well:

I have a little sister who will be 8 in about 4 months, so I have experience with that age group and trust me, most young girls that age will do anything if they think it will make them "beautiful", which is why this story is so sad, because the little girl has been brainwashing into thinking she needs the treatment.

Children =/= Teens or Adults, there's a good reason they aren't responsible for themselves and if she wants to do it when she's older thats up to her but at her current age there's no way she has the maturity to decide.

 

[Zeekar]

I'm not celebrating a child being taken from her mother, but it does restore my faith in humanity a bit that someone actually cared enough to take action. These parents need to see the consequences of living their sick fantasies through their children and unfortunately SOMEONE needed to be made an example of.

 

[Gottesstrafe]

I was mystified about the thread title until I read that the mom regularly entered her daughter in child beauty pageants.

"A lot of the moms there are giving their kids Botox, I'm not the only one who does it," said Ms Campbell.

The fact that she can say that without pause is reason enough to take the child away. This is the same exact tone people use when caught for illegally modifying their bikes or cars at a race, there is no concern for it beyond it's capacity to earn you trophies. This might be a little extreme on my part, but I can easily see the mother having her daughter wear a bikini on stage if she had confirmed that a pedophile was on the judges' seat.

Edit:

"It hurts," she explained in an interview with the US network ABC. "I just don't think wrinkles are nice on little girls."

She said the treatment made her look "way better, beautiful, pretty - all those nice words".

These lines are obviously fed to her. If conversations like this are the basis of her mother-daughter relationship, it'd be a wonder if she didn't grow up to be a sociopath if left to her mother.

 

[Android2137]

There is only one justifiable reason I can think of for giving a child botox injections and that article mentioned it: to relieve medical problems like neurological disorders. She's too young to get wrinkles anyway! What she thought was a wrinkle was probably a dimple! You know, like the dimples that Shirley Temple was famous for? Ugh! I know this has been said already, but child beauty pageants shouldn't exist. In fact, no one should be judged on based on their looks, but unfortunately that's the kind of world we live in...

 

[Belated]

Here's the thing. Child Protective Services is often run like an abduction racket. Many of these people are self-righteous moral guardians who'll jump to the worst possible conclusions at the slightest possibility of bad parenting, and try to take your kids away if they think you're so much as letting them have a soda once a year. They're the kind of people who will look at a kid's bruise and think "Yep, somebody beat him at home. Better take him away from his loving family based solely on this baseless assumption." even when the kid's friends can all confirm that he got the bruise during a baseball game and nothing else. CPS makes bad calls all the time.

But this was not one of those times. I honestly think they did the right thing in this situation. Let's get real. The mother did not care about her child's happiness. Science has proven that being rich does not necessarily mean you'll be any happier than a middle class person. The mother was only interested in making her daughter rich so she by extension could be rich. That's the motivation behind the majority of these pageant mothers. They just want to live a comfortable life provided by a celebrity daughter. And that's no way to raise a little girl.

 

[Farseer Lolotea]

Is it deadly?

It's potentially deadly, at least. Especially in the hands of someone with no medical training whatsoever.

But I believe botox has been successful as a pain relief for certain kinds of severe, persistent headaches, so there probably are situations where using it on a child is justifiable.

Yeah, if the kid's got certain neurological conditions (which there's nothing to indicate here), and if administered by a professional (which wasn't the case).

 

[kasperbbs]

If that moron went as far as injecting botox into her daughters face then who knows what else that poor kid had to go through for these repulsive contests, i'm glad that they took her.

 

[Dark Knifer]

Children's beauty pageants should be illegal. Seriously. Teaching young children that unless they happen to look picture-perfect, they're not worth a damn thing. How can anyone fail to see the harm in that?

I fail to see how beauty pageants reinforce that.

Don't get me wrong they're incredibly disturbing but I don't see anything morally wrong with them.

Because the contest is all about looks over anything else, which isn't a good lesson for a child, and tries to change them into mini-adults, which they aren't. It also tends to breed pushy parents like this mother who project their own insecurities onto their child and place pressure of them to achieve so they can live through them.

Children should be allowed to just be children, if they really want to dress up and look pretty they can do that with their friends at home, they'll have time enough when they are older to take part in contests.

It's only when people take things too far that this becomes bad. You can say that about so many things. If you ban that then you would have to start banning all things that are taken too far. So the world would be pretty much empty.

 

[Nukey]

I personally think Botox should be made illegal, it's unnecessary, dangerous and exists solely to make the conceded look like freakish aliens.

As for the mom, well, happy to see she's no longer deemed fit to parent. I'm starting to think being a parent should require a test.

 

[JoJo]

Children's beauty pageants should be illegal. Seriously. Teaching young children that unless they happen to look picture-perfect, they're not worth a damn thing. How can anyone fail to see the harm in that?

I fail to see how beauty pageants reinforce that.

Don't get me wrong they're incredibly disturbing but I don't see anything morally wrong with them.

Because the contest is all about looks over anything else, which isn't a good lesson for a child, and tries to change them into mini-adults, which they aren't. It also tends to breed pushy parents like this mother who project their own insecurities onto their child and place pressure of them to achieve so they can live through them.

Children should be allowed to just be children, if they really want to dress up and look pretty they can do that with their friends at home, they'll have time enough when they are older to take part in contests.

It's only when people take things too far that this becomes bad. You can say that about so many things. If you ban that then you would have to start banning all things that are taken too far. So the world would be pretty much empty.

Maybe, but I struggle to see any good points to a child beauty contest, even without botox or plastic surgery. Sure, I know young girls like to dress up; my own little sister loves putting on Disney princess costumes and plastic bracelets and necklaces whenever her friends come round and that's fine. When you start seriously dressing up your child, taking them to a contest and getting others to judge them like they're a prize dog, that's when it's gone too far.

 

[Hungry Donner]

Here's the thing. Child Protective Services is often run like an abduction racket. Many of these people are self-righteous moral guardians who'll jump to the worst possible conclusions at the slightest possibility of bad parenting, and try to take your kids away if they think you're so much as letting them have a soda once a year. They're the kind of people who will look at a kid's bruise and think "Yep, somebody beat him at home. Better take him away from his loving family based solely on this baseless assumption." even when the kid's friends can all confirm that he got the bruise during a baseball game and nothing else. CPS makes bad calls all the time.

But this was not one of those times. I honestly think they did the right thing in this situation. Let's get real. The mother did not care about her child's happiness. Science has proven that being rich does not necessarily mean you'll be any happier than a middle class person. The mother was only interested in making her daughter rich so she by extension could be rich. That's the motivation behind the majority of these pageant mothers. They just want to live a comfortable life provided by a celebrity daughter. And that's no way to raise a little girl.

Part of becoming a teacher in New York state (and I suspect the rest of the nation) is going through a short CPS course to learn about identifying abuse. The guy I had was hilarious, even as I walked out of the lecture hall I couldn't fathom how he made two hours of discussing horrendous problems so . . . enjoyable.

He also had a frank discussion on the short-comings of the CPS. He stressed the good intentions of the people he worked for but also that they often operated in murky situations. This shouldn't excuse mistakes or abuses on their part, and while teachers should be vigilant they shouldn't jump the gun - it would just leave CPS further over-extended and increase the likelihood of mistakes.

 

[Dark Knifer]

Children's beauty pageants should be illegal. Seriously. Teaching young children that unless they happen to look picture-perfect, they're not worth a damn thing. How can anyone fail to see the harm in that?

I fail to see how beauty pageants reinforce that.

Don't get me wrong they're incredibly disturbing but I don't see anything morally wrong with them.

Because the contest is all about looks over anything else, which isn't a good lesson for a child, and tries to change them into mini-adults, which they aren't. It also tends to breed pushy parents like this mother who project their own insecurities onto their child and place pressure of them to achieve so they can live through them.

Children should be allowed to just be children, if they really want to dress up and look pretty they can do that with their friends at home, they'll have time enough when they are older to take part in contests.

It's only when people take things too far that this becomes bad. You can say that about so many things. If you ban that then you would have to start banning all things that are taken too far. So the world would be pretty much empty.

Maybe, but I struggle to see any good points to a child beauty contest, even without botox or plastic surgery. Sure, I know young girls like to dress up; my own little sister loves putting on Disney princess costumes and plastic bracelets and necklaces whenever her friends come round and that's fine. When you start seriously dressing up your child, taking them to a contest and getting others to judge them like they're a prize dog, that's when it's gone too far.

Admittedly I don't know much about beauty contest but there should be some where the competition isn't serious. Just a friendly competition but I don't know to be honest. There will be kids who enjoy contests so banning it outright might be too extreme. Maybe a change in the structure or something but we'll see. Definitely banning things like botox though.

 

[Davey Woo]

I'm wholly against this kind of procedure on anyone, I prefer natural women.
Also, I think there's something seriously wrong with the world if we're holding beauty pageants for 8 year olds.