Ah, that's even easier. How much icecream can I shovel into a cone before it leaks over the side.Shivarage said:
Poll: 80% of what you learn in school is useless?
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Everything is useful to some of the people, some of the time.
The idea is to give people a basic overview of many different aspects of the world as well as a working knowledge of the two most important things: math and language.
The idea is to give people a basic overview of many different aspects of the world as well as a working knowledge of the two most important things: math and language.
Ah, the "Awh nuts, my pants are stained" threshold: Nuts[sub]0[/sub]The_root_of_all_evil said:Ah, that's even easier. How much icecream can I shovel into a cone before it leaks over the side.Shivarage said:
I do remember the equation being something like
Volume[sub]icecream[/sub] = 1/3*π*r[sup]2[/sup]*h ≤ Nuts[sub]0[/sub]
We did that all the time with finding rock densities and such in gelogy.Shivarage said:
Man, that was easy.
I don't really see how people can complain about learning about volume equations, I'm doing motherfucking schroedinger!
Actually, the problems so far haven't been that bad, I just don't understand any of it. Ah, the joy of quantum mechanics.
Close, but with careful ice-cream application you can get it up to 2/3*π*r[sup]2[/sup]*h because you create a secondary cone on top of the first one -Outright Villainy said:Ah, the "Awh nuts, my pants are stained" threshold: Nuts[sub]0[/sub]The_root_of_all_evil said:Ah, that's even easier. How much icecream can I shovel into a cone before it leaks over the side.Shivarage said:
I do remember the equation being something like
Volume[sub]icecream[/sub] = 1/3*π*r[sup]2[/sup]*h ≤ Nuts[sub]0[/sub]
the tolerance of how close you get depends on the viscosity of the ice-cream in question -
which depends on the ambient heat radiation.
See...it's all useful stuff
Anyone who disagrees hasn't thought this through. They are directing a multifaceted learning scheme that branches of into trade specific areas that wash out all of the other learning.
All those hours you spent in (insert course here) learning about things you havent used once since highschool/grade school/ college or uni, down the drain to be back cataloged in you head to whip out as a random party trick you never use in real life. Hell I'm a free lance artist I could have been out of school hella early since I didnt need to spend years of my life learning a plethora of things I will never use. What have I done with my knowledge of Biology, law, psychology, sociology, Understanding cults, filmography, and other electives.
Fuck all is what.
All those hours you spent in (insert course here) learning about things you havent used once since highschool/grade school/ college or uni, down the drain to be back cataloged in you head to whip out as a random party trick you never use in real life. Hell I'm a free lance artist I could have been out of school hella early since I didnt need to spend years of my life learning a plethora of things I will never use. What have I done with my knowledge of Biology, law, psychology, sociology, Understanding cults, filmography, and other electives.
Fuck all is what.
I did say the threshold. Once you start adding another sphere, or any more ice cream on the side, thermal interaction from the environment will cause it to start melting, hence it's only Nuts[sub]0[/sub], the minimum threshold for awkward spillage.The_root_of_all_evil said:Close, but with careful ice-cream application you can get it up to 2/3*π*r[sup]2[/sup]*h because you create a secondary cone on top of the first one -Outright Villainy said:Ah, the "Awh nuts, my pants are stained" threshold: Nuts[sub]0[/sub]The_root_of_all_evil said:Ah, that's even easier. How much icecream can I shovel into a cone before it leaks over the side.Shivarage said:
I do remember the equation being something like
Volume[sub]icecream[/sub] = 1/3*π*r[sup]2[/sup]*h ≤ Nuts[sub]0[/sub]
the tolerance of how close you get depends on the viscosity of the ice-cream in question -
which depends on the ambient heat radiation.
See...it's all useful stuff
Also, wouldn't the second cone have a new value for r (r[sub]2[/sub]), slightly larger than the radius of the cone itself? You'd have to express higher values of Nuts[sub]x[/sub] as linear combination of 1/3*π*r[sub]Cone[/sub][sup]2[/sup]*h + 3/3πr[sub]ball of ice cream[/sub][sup]3[/sup][footnote]The volume, of a sphere is 4/3, but since for balance sake it's a sphere with the bottom cut off, I approximated 1/4 of it would be taken off.[/footnote]
Algebra. That is all.
I understand that much of the Maths I'm learning in Year 11, while it will be rarely used, is in some way useful.
Trigonometry is a handy skill in Carpenting, as my friend'll remind me.
I fail to see how 6yr + 7ux will ever be useful. Needless overcomplication...
I understand that much of the Maths I'm learning in Year 11, while it will be rarely used, is in some way useful.
Trigonometry is a handy skill in Carpenting, as my friend'll remind me.
I fail to see how 6yr + 7ux will ever be useful. Needless overcomplication...
Our school system is broken due to politics.
The way I see it is this. Right now school is mostly based around the idea of self-validation and telling kids that they can do, or achieve anything. The problem with this is that our society is highly competitive and by the numbers only a tiny few people actually succeed and acheive everything, the rest become cogs in the machine. It's all relative too, you an do really well and still wind up in a rut if other people are doing better. We have guys with college degrees begging for change today.
What's more, due to testing and special programs and the like, kids who are exceptional and are going to be life's winners are typically singled out for genius programs the the like. People literally throw money at them in many cases, hoping to cultivate them into tools that they can use. You have big companies literally scouting out of elementary and high schools in many cases.
This kind of testing pretty much continues through the entire system and you see people being singled out until the very end of their provided academics.
The problem of course being when you wind up with a bunch of people who are dumb, average intelligence, or smart but not smart enough, who are being taught all these skills that they are never going to use in their future careers as attendants, ditch diggers, or whatever else. Rather they are filled with high expectations and taught skills that aren't practical to where they are going to wind up. The result being that today we wind up with not only a lot of depressed people, but those depressed people are oftentimes prepared to be leaders and "doers" in a society where those positions don't exist for them. As some businesses have pointed out, they can get tons of applicants for a middle management position with people qualified to the gills for it, but few people who have the skills to do things like operate machinery like mechanical presses and the like, who are in high demand.
Certain skills like the more advanced levels of mathematics, some parts of physics and science, and the like are things that people will learn and then forget due to lack of use.
I've been of the opinion for a while that what our educational system needs to do is focus on more realistic educational goals for the masses. Prepare people with the skills they need. People singled out through testing and the right should learn all of the stuff that we have in the sytsem now, and be crammed with more of it actually. On the other hand I think at a certain point our esucational system should focus more on vocational education, teaching kids how to use and maintain machinery, pack trucks properly, plow fields, harvest and sort produce, and perform lower end clerk/stocking type duties. I mean when I worked security I was appalled how few people actually knew how to get a pallet jack to work, when I'm the security officer and I have to teach a lost new-hire in the warehouse something basic like that (due to assumptions by his supervisor that anyone could do that), I think there is a problem.
Now, I do understand the problems with my logic and how many people are afraid that this will lead to more rigid caste structures, or at least a massive degree of elitism with people being "unfairly forced into servile roles due to proper education being with held". I do however think a middle ground can be reached between the current form of education based on self validation and "preparing everyone for success", and a more practical approach. The key element is to carefully watchdog the testing and make sure no group (even the goverment) has full control over it and how the system works, and also to make sure that everyone has the same chances to take the same tests.
As a capitolist society economics are going to be a factor as well, and there is no way around that. The most we can do is work on the public system. One of the benefits of success and providing for your children is to send them to private schools, and there are always going to be morons out there who get to be playboys (or playgirls). The thing to keep in mind though is that fortunes are won and lost every day, even if one argues that only 5% of the people control like 95% of the wealth, that 5% does change. If your too stupid to take care of the money, it will be taken from you due to competition, capitolism, and the good old fashioned shark tank we call humanity. People complain about Paris Hilton for example, but I figure she must not be as dumb as her public persona to remain so well off, at the very least she has a talent for trusting the right people with money. If she isn't and it's all other members of the family watching her back (for the moment) it will be a self correcting problem down the road.
The way I see it is this. Right now school is mostly based around the idea of self-validation and telling kids that they can do, or achieve anything. The problem with this is that our society is highly competitive and by the numbers only a tiny few people actually succeed and acheive everything, the rest become cogs in the machine. It's all relative too, you an do really well and still wind up in a rut if other people are doing better. We have guys with college degrees begging for change today.
What's more, due to testing and special programs and the like, kids who are exceptional and are going to be life's winners are typically singled out for genius programs the the like. People literally throw money at them in many cases, hoping to cultivate them into tools that they can use. You have big companies literally scouting out of elementary and high schools in many cases.
This kind of testing pretty much continues through the entire system and you see people being singled out until the very end of their provided academics.
The problem of course being when you wind up with a bunch of people who are dumb, average intelligence, or smart but not smart enough, who are being taught all these skills that they are never going to use in their future careers as attendants, ditch diggers, or whatever else. Rather they are filled with high expectations and taught skills that aren't practical to where they are going to wind up. The result being that today we wind up with not only a lot of depressed people, but those depressed people are oftentimes prepared to be leaders and "doers" in a society where those positions don't exist for them. As some businesses have pointed out, they can get tons of applicants for a middle management position with people qualified to the gills for it, but few people who have the skills to do things like operate machinery like mechanical presses and the like, who are in high demand.
Certain skills like the more advanced levels of mathematics, some parts of physics and science, and the like are things that people will learn and then forget due to lack of use.
I've been of the opinion for a while that what our educational system needs to do is focus on more realistic educational goals for the masses. Prepare people with the skills they need. People singled out through testing and the right should learn all of the stuff that we have in the sytsem now, and be crammed with more of it actually. On the other hand I think at a certain point our esucational system should focus more on vocational education, teaching kids how to use and maintain machinery, pack trucks properly, plow fields, harvest and sort produce, and perform lower end clerk/stocking type duties. I mean when I worked security I was appalled how few people actually knew how to get a pallet jack to work, when I'm the security officer and I have to teach a lost new-hire in the warehouse something basic like that (due to assumptions by his supervisor that anyone could do that), I think there is a problem.
Now, I do understand the problems with my logic and how many people are afraid that this will lead to more rigid caste structures, or at least a massive degree of elitism with people being "unfairly forced into servile roles due to proper education being with held". I do however think a middle ground can be reached between the current form of education based on self validation and "preparing everyone for success", and a more practical approach. The key element is to carefully watchdog the testing and make sure no group (even the goverment) has full control over it and how the system works, and also to make sure that everyone has the same chances to take the same tests.
As a capitolist society economics are going to be a factor as well, and there is no way around that. The most we can do is work on the public system. One of the benefits of success and providing for your children is to send them to private schools, and there are always going to be morons out there who get to be playboys (or playgirls). The thing to keep in mind though is that fortunes are won and lost every day, even if one argues that only 5% of the people control like 95% of the wealth, that 5% does change. If your too stupid to take care of the money, it will be taken from you due to competition, capitolism, and the good old fashioned shark tank we call humanity. People complain about Paris Hilton for example, but I figure she must not be as dumb as her public persona to remain so well off, at the very least she has a talent for trusting the right people with money. If she isn't and it's all other members of the family watching her back (for the moment) it will be a self correcting problem down the road.
When I got to junior college I flushed out everything I learned in high school, whatever I learned in my old bullshit school doesn't apply to college.
80%...more like 90%...even closer to 100% [sub]unless you're in a trade school[/sub]
you can discount this if you have some specific desire to do something specific.
English class
Let's face it, learning how to read is over and done in 4th or 5th grade
after that they're telling you to read things at differing levels of Completely and Utterly Boring.
Vocabulary!
who here has used a vocabulary word they learned in school in their every day life? [sub]for any reason except to sound smart[/sub]
Essay writing=fucking useless
Science class
unless you want to be a doctor you can skip Biology and Chemistry
Physics... really fun, but there's hardly any practical applications unless you want to know how deep a hole is, or you're trying to jump the grand canyon on a golf cart or something
Math class
I love math but as long as calculators exist you won't need it in every day life beyond arithmetic or maybe some basic geometry. if you know what Pi is you're fine
History class
Irrigation systems good...Nazi's bad
Don't watch Fox News
the only job for a senator is to get reelected
everyone who ever lived is really stupid
unless you want to end up on Jeopardy one day you don't need to know anything else
Phys-Ed
if you're waiting for the zombie Apocalypse you'll want to know how to manipulate your metabolism decrease you're lactic acid build up.
and if you have self esteem issues you want to know that muscle building exercise burns more fat than cardio
other than that a mile in under 6 minutes is fast. if you can't do that you're slow. yes Wii fit lied to you
Elective classes
All a barrel of useless
there's not a single Elective class you can take that has any impact beyond "You wanted to take it" or "It seemed like an easy A"
not to mention that after 6th grade all you do is repeat 7th grade 6 times except there are progressively more and more weird letters in your math
I'm not saying you can't make use out of all the useless crap you learn over the wasted years
but you'd have to force it
you can discount this if you have some specific desire to do something specific.
English class
Let's face it, learning how to read is over and done in 4th or 5th grade
after that they're telling you to read things at differing levels of Completely and Utterly Boring.
Vocabulary!
who here has used a vocabulary word they learned in school in their every day life? [sub]for any reason except to sound smart[/sub]
Essay writing=fucking useless
Science class
unless you want to be a doctor you can skip Biology and Chemistry
Physics... really fun, but there's hardly any practical applications unless you want to know how deep a hole is, or you're trying to jump the grand canyon on a golf cart or something
Math class
I love math but as long as calculators exist you won't need it in every day life beyond arithmetic or maybe some basic geometry. if you know what Pi is you're fine
History class
Irrigation systems good...Nazi's bad
Don't watch Fox News
the only job for a senator is to get reelected
everyone who ever lived is really stupid
unless you want to end up on Jeopardy one day you don't need to know anything else
Phys-Ed
if you're waiting for the zombie Apocalypse you'll want to know how to manipulate your metabolism decrease you're lactic acid build up.
and if you have self esteem issues you want to know that muscle building exercise burns more fat than cardio
other than that a mile in under 6 minutes is fast. if you can't do that you're slow. yes Wii fit lied to you
Elective classes
All a barrel of useless
there's not a single Elective class you can take that has any impact beyond "You wanted to take it" or "It seemed like an easy A"
not to mention that after 6th grade all you do is repeat 7th grade 6 times except there are progressively more and more weird letters in your math
I'm not saying you can't make use out of all the useless crap you learn over the wasted years
but you'd have to force it
Other than writing, mathematics, and a bit of savviness of law and such, you don't really need anything else aside from your career focus. Mines biology, but it depends.
Problem being that a half-sphere would only be the most appropriate shape for frozen ice-cream where you could contain the ambient temperature. A secondary cone would be more suitable for non-standard areas, where you can assume the ice-cream to have a viscosity level that also able to be eaten without having an ice-cream headache.Outright Villainy said:I did say the threshold. Once you start adding another sphere, or any more ice cream on the side, thermal interaction from the environment will cause it to start melting, hence it's only Nuts[sub]0[/sub], the minimum threshold for awkward spillage.
Also, wouldn't the second cone have a new value for r (r[sub]2[/sub]), slightly larger than the radius of the cone itself? You'd have to express higher values of Nuts[sub]x[/sub] as linear combination of 1/3*π*r[sub]Cone[/sub][sup]2[/sup]*h + 3/3πr[sub]ball of ice cream[/sub][sup]3[/sup][footnote]The volume, of a sphere is 4/3, but since for balance sake it's a sphere with the bottom cut off, I approximated 1/4 of it would be taken off.[/footnote]
So, at the assymptote, we can work well with the half sphere, but as ambient heat dynamics rise, the more feasible soloution is a secondary cone of slightly smaller radius.
See - we've already brought in chemistry, pure maths, mechanical maths, physics, algebra, home economics and numerical methods