Poll: 80's or 90's: Which was the Bigger Cultural Wasteland?
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The 90s gave us the internet people! Yeah, that just blew all of your arguments out of the water. Without the 90s, we all wouldn't be discussing this. The 80s can go suck a noodle. Yes. Suck. a. Noodle.
The politics, popular culture, and fashion of the Eighties were generally horrible, but the whole decade was so adorably self-oblivious and undisguisedly enthusiastic that I can't help but admire it.
The Nineties had much better movies, but that's about it.
The Nineties had much better movies, but that's about it.
the 90s were cool with cypress hill, ice cube, smashing pumpkins. the 80s were cool with decent metallica, duran duran, rush. they were both okay
Well, the 90s were a shitty year for metal. If metal is/was your thing, I can understand how you'd be disappointed.
Personally, I loved grunge and all the hyper commercialized bullshit that sprang up around it without a hint of irony. It was awesome to see mannequins in up-scale clothing stores dressed from head to toe in layers of ratty flannel shirts, pre-torn, pre-faded jeans, some moth infested hat and pre-aged dirty brown sneakers. Complete with $50 to $200 price tags on each piece.
"We'll exploit anything," the market said. Was part of what made me realize how shallow and meaningless the whole of capitalism, materialism, society, and life in general are. Ideas I wouldn't give up for anything.
Personally, I loved grunge and all the hyper commercialized bullshit that sprang up around it without a hint of irony. It was awesome to see mannequins in up-scale clothing stores dressed from head to toe in layers of ratty flannel shirts, pre-torn, pre-faded jeans, some moth infested hat and pre-aged dirty brown sneakers. Complete with $50 to $200 price tags on each piece.
"We'll exploit anything," the market said. Was part of what made me realize how shallow and meaningless the whole of capitalism, materialism, society, and life in general are. Ideas I wouldn't give up for anything.
Honestly, I'm very fond of them both, even including their cheesy aspects. I'd say the 80's is slightly worse, however, as I have more fondness for the 16-bit era, softer feel (don't think too hard about that one), and the decade of my birth.
80's wins in terms of music, however, though I'm an unironic Journey fan.
80's wins in terms of music, however, though I'm an unironic Journey fan.
People remember the 90s for all those great kids cartoons.
You know what I remember the 90s for? Genocide and other assorted mass killings.
You know what I remember the 90s for? Genocide and other assorted mass killings.
Your opinion is wrong then! ^^ These were the shows that started in the first 5 years of the decade 2000-2004. These were also the shows that would define the rest of the decade.dathwampeer said:
The Wire started in 2002.
Scrubs started in 2001.
House started in 2004.
Battlestar Galactica started in 2003.
Lost started in 2004.
The Shield started in 2002.
The Office started in 2001.
Arrested Development started in 2003.
Firefly started 2002.
Six Feet Under started in 2001.
Curb Your Enthusiasm started in 2000.
24 started in 2001.
Coupling started in 2000.
Band of Brothers started in 2001.
Angels in America started in 2003.
Rescue Me started in 2004.
Deadwood started in 2004.
Yes you wrong. There as been plenty of good and excellent shows in the last decade, in the first half and second half, equally. Also shows that started in the late 90's that really took of in popularity in the 00's like The Sopranos, The Daily Show, West Wing and Futurama.
The 00's were the best period for TV since...TV showed up.
The 90's, with most people thinking themselves more enlightened than they really were.
'Sides, 80's music is better. Even the cheesiest of the cheese.
'Sides, 80's music is better. Even the cheesiest of the cheese.
The music popular right now, autotuned pop with ungodly poor hiphop bullshit shoveled into it, is worse than all the negative pop culture that came out of both the 80s and 90s combined. They both actually had a fair amount of good music in them if you look hard enough, obviously the most popular stuff is going to be annoying and commercial, but even then it was nowhere as bad as it is now.
I actually loved the 90s, there was a subculture going on with our version of the hippies, except replace protesting and stuff with apathy, pessimism and sarcasm. It was against having to fit in the typical boring suburban lifestyle, but just took a more passive and insulting way to rebel against it. Though it clearly failed and no great enlightenment of the masses happened and we are left with the anti-intellectual wasteland we have now.
EDIT: Cynical skeptic's post addressed a lot of the crap that lead to this and what eventually won and took over society for the most part.
I agree though that the earlier 2000s had some great stuff come out in TV land and even some movies. There are probably more really good TV shows and movies coming out, but there's also a much larger amount of crap coming out at the same time that overshadows it.
I actually loved the 90s, there was a subculture going on with our version of the hippies, except replace protesting and stuff with apathy, pessimism and sarcasm. It was against having to fit in the typical boring suburban lifestyle, but just took a more passive and insulting way to rebel against it. Though it clearly failed and no great enlightenment of the masses happened and we are left with the anti-intellectual wasteland we have now.
EDIT: Cynical skeptic's post addressed a lot of the crap that lead to this and what eventually won and took over society for the most part.
I agree though that the earlier 2000s had some great stuff come out in TV land and even some movies. There are probably more really good TV shows and movies coming out, but there's also a much larger amount of crap coming out at the same time that overshadows it.
The 80's were more or less the golden age of metal, for that I love them. I don't know of many things that came out of the 90's that I actually enjoy(minus the grunge and some death metal)
The 90s. The 80s culture may not have appealed to me really, but it WAS a culture. The 90s was just an amalgamation of nothing begetting nothing.
dathwampeer said:
Oh you are wrong. More so when 6 of those shows you haven't bothered to watch or only watched one episode. Like I said at the start. You are wrong about TV's in the 00's. Also your opinion is wrong. The Wire is not overrated or boring. You are!
P.S: And opinions can be wrong. If you are of the opinion that Coleman Francis is better than say, any known director in history, your opinion is wrong.