Poll: A dietary dilemma I've been pondering

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Yopaz

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Olas said:
I think by your early twenties your brain is pretty much past the elastic developmental phase where it's significantly easier to learn and unlearn stuff.
It's not completely past that stage, but mostly yes. This is also based on the different kinds of learning too. However, you can learn things after your critical period and you can induce new cortical plasticity even as you grow older. There have even been a few cases where they have failed to discover someone is suffering from lazy eye syndrome where they were able to correct it in adults by using a patch on dominant eye.

It is possible as an adult, but it's a lot harder. It's even harder once you hit your 30's. That's why it's important to start as soon as possible.

Sources:
http://jov.arvojournals.org/article.aspx?articleid=2213212
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v457/n7227/full/nature07487.html

I could not find an example of this in humans on the spot, but here's one study performed on cats and one on mice. These experiments are difficult to do in humans, because the effect is measured by studying single neurons and how they form new synapses by forming new dendrites.
 

Fieldy409_v1legacy

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Best tip for a healthier lifestyle related to this ive heard is: Dont buy crappy treats. If you are going to treat yourself, buy the expensive(and much tastier) stuff. Dont just buy a bar of chocolate for a couple of dollars... go for the gourmet stuff. The amount youll get is smaller and thus less calories.

Dont gorge, savor the flavor because once its past your tongue its just calories...
 

Cowabungaa

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Find a middle ground and you're good. The key is to make whatever you do to eat healthy a long-lasting habit. It's why I warned my friend not to rely on health shakes and crash-dieting. I warned her; are you going to transform this in a long-lasting dietry change? Nope, you can't live for 60 years on shakes. And lo and behold she started yo-yo-ing after reaching her first goal and now gained more than she lost in that short amount of time.

So here I am, eating a couple burgers or a different kind of fast-food once a week and regular healthy meals otherwise. I eat maybe a few cookies a day, only drink soda when I'm out playing board/card games and maybe a few cookies at home. Coupled with running once a week and daily weight-lifting exercises I've slowly but surely dropped quite a bit of fat and gained some muscle tone in return. And since that behavior is a habit now, just part of the regular routine, it's no biggy to keep it up.
 

Little Woodsman

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One of the great fallacies of our society is the idea that having more of an enjoyable thing equals more enjoyment, which simply isn't true in many cases.

I've found recently that the anioxidants in dark chocolate actually help with my dermatitis. so I have a half-ounce bar of it about once a day. And I eat that half-ounce bar in 5-8 tiny bites. Even then, I notice that the first couple of tiny bites are much more enjoyable than the fifth, sixth, seventh or eighth bite.

Next time you are indulging in chocolate (or whatever) pay close attention to how much you are really enjoying each piece. Think about whether it could be eaten in smaller bites and/or chewed more slowly. You may find that you don't need nearly as much of the thing you are indulging in to get the full enjoyment from it as you thought.

As for exercise, the key thing is to fool around with different activities until you find one that you really enjoy. Once you've found one that you truly enjoy you will make excuses to do it more rather than excuses to avoid doing it.
 

LaoJim

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My advice would be 'watch your weight'. Literally, get into the habit of weighing yourself regularly, at least once a week, maybe everyday. Your weight naturally fluctuates quite a bit, but if you notice that on average it is going up, take small but significant steps to correct it. Exercise for 15 minutes more each day or eat slightly less chocolate. Its a lot easier to lose 1 or 2kg as soon as you put them on than to loose 5-10kg once you've let your habits slide. And as you say your metabolism will start to make this harder as you get older

As for the chocolate, obviously 'gorging' is bad; you need to decide to have one small piece of chocolate, or a fairly large amount once a week or so. Fieldy's suggestion of going for the gourmet stuff is a good one as well.

Also get good at reading the nutrition labels on chocolate bars, and make choices accordingly. A Mars Bar has 234 calories whereas a Crunchie has 185 calories. If a Crunchie satisfies the urge as much as a Mars bar then the choice is obvious.
 

manic_depressive13

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Is this how people live their lives? Measuring and rationing and carefully regulating their chocolate intake? I eat about 200g of milk chocolate per day. It feels fucking amazing, and no, having just a little isn't 'just as good' as eating and eating chocolate to your little heart's content.
 

Trivun

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My family are fairly fat, not obviously so, but certainly on the 'overweight' end of the BMI scale. I was always thin, on the other hand, until I went to university, after which I started to put weight on. Now, I have a bit of a beer belly, at age 24, though nothing more than that. I go to the gym about twice a week (or did until a bad cold that's lasted about 2 months, though I have been exercising through helping my dad with building work at home). I usually eat fairly healthily at home, and have the treat of McDonalds or Morrison's deli counter chicken for lunch once or twice a week at work. Aside from that, and biscuits with my tea and coffee, I mostly eat fairly healthy food, lots of vegetables, rice and pasta, chicken, and salads.

Since I started following this routine (not a strict plan, just a guideline for my own intake), and thinking about the calories I take in, I've managed to lose a stone. It's taken my a few months to do, but that's because I'm not on any specific diet or fitness plan - it's just been a few easy, minor changes to my daily gorging and I'm losing weight at a reasonable level. This way, I'm still getting to eat the foods I enjoy, including stuff that people would consider to be junk food (takeaway maybe once or twice a week, then the rest of the week eating proper home cooked meals), while staying healthy and not piling the weight on. Which works fine for me.

I'd say the middle ground is the best option. There's no point in dieting or whatever only to never actually enjoy the foods you like, as I see food as being one of life's pleasures. But equally, you shouldn't eat those things so much that you end up looking like a whale or risking a heart attack. By balancing everything out, you'll be happier, and healthier. Besides, there are plenty of healthy meals that taste amazing, and are pretty easy to cook (I have a home-made pesto recipe myself, along with home-made tomato sauce using only fresh ingredients and no added oils), not to mention cheap (I used some of these recipes at university, on a student budget...).

One thing I will say is that calories are the important factor. Everyone always talks about these fad diets that say you need to regulate how many carbohydrates you take in, or where you can only eat red foods on a Tuesday and blue foods on a Friday, or whatever, but they are mostly bullshit (maybe some have some medical grounding, as I'm not a doctor I wouldn't know, but mostly they are a load of crap). Calories are what are important, as they are basically the energy value released from burning the mass of the foodstuff in your body. Less calories means more energy having to come from the biomass already present, i.e. the fat stored in your body, so if you eat foods with fewer calories that still have the recommended amount of vitamins and nutrients and so on, then you should be losing weight without any major changes in your daily life. That's also how I've managed to lose weight over time - I assume my limit as no more than 2000 calories per day, and do rough figures in my head to keep an estimated tally. The ideal way of doing things, as far as I'm concerned...
 

Cowabungaa

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manic_depressive13 said:
Is this how people live their lives? Measuring and rationing and carefully regulating their chocolate intake? I eat about 200g of milk chocolate per day. It feels fucking amazing, and no, having just a little isn't 'just as good' as eating and eating chocolate to your little heart's content.
Actually? As someone who did both? Yeah, yeah it does.

I don't measure anything, but through habit changing I got used to smaller and smaller portions. And now the taste itself in small amount is awesome enough. I often just can't eat more, I can't imagine eating a whole chocolate bar a day any more. It'd be too much, I'd get nauseous and only feel worse for it.
 

manic_depressive13

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Cowabungaa said:
Actually? As someone who did both? Yeah, yeah it does.

I don't measure anything, but through habit changing I got used to smaller and smaller portions. And now the taste itself in small amount is awesome enough. I often just can't eat more, I can't imagine eating a whole chocolate bar a day any more. It'd be too much, I'd get nauseous and only feel worse for it.
No no, as someone who has eaten both small amounts of chocolate and large amounts of chocolate, I can say the latter is definitely better.
 

Vlado

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You shouldn't be eating shit food ever. I mean, sure, I've also eaten McDonalds once or twice in the last 10 years, but when it's so rare, it practically doesn't count.