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Lord George

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I did this, it did this, I'm sorry but the language doesn't grab me and keeps breaking flow and the content reads like a final fantasy fanfic.

I would suggest livening up the imagery and avoiding having your character (who seems a bit bland to me, I know its only a short section but I have no love, feeling or empathy with Gomar, he doesn't even seem like a person just a textbook narrator.) narrating every single thing that happens. Sorry to be so negative but this was not an enjoyable or engaging read.
 

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Altorin said:
if you dont trust your friends to critique your work then im not going to read it, because its probably bad
im not letting them critique it because eve if it is bad, they might take pitty on me in hopes of not "crushing my dreams" you know what im referring to. i need complete strangers who can level with me and tell me how bad it is, whats so bad, and how can i improve it? if you have a problem reading, go back to your fps ad stop reading posts that are about books, because you have ADD so a book couldn't hold your attention from one second to the next.
Having people "crush your dreams" in the drafting stages is the last thing you need. I usually wait until the second draft to show anyone my writing let alone someone who is going to give me actual feedback as opposed to care and support. Writing is hard, don't make it harder by destroying your self confidence.

Edit: Unless you're finished and are just beginning to edit in which case by all means throw it to the wolves.
 

s00perguy

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Heathrow said:
s00perguy said:
Altorin said:
if you dont trust your friends to critique your work then im not going to read it, because its probably bad
im not letting them critique it because eve if it is bad, they might take pitty on me in hopes of not "crushing my dreams" you know what im referring to. i need complete strangers who can level with me and tell me how bad it is, whats so bad, and how can i improve it? if you have a problem reading, go back to your fps ad stop reading posts that are about books, because you have ADD so a book couldn't hold your attention from one second to the next.
Having people "crush your dreams" in the drafting stages is the last thing you need. I usually wait until the second draft to show anyone my writing let alone someone who is going to give me actual feedback as opposed to care and support. Writing is hard, don't make it harder by destroying your self confidence.

Edit: Unless you're finished and are just beginning to edit in which case by all means throw it to the wolves.
ha ha! no worries! im a big boy! i think i can live with people ragging on my hobby for a bit.this was more of an experiment to see how it was recieved. maybe we're not in an age of sci fi yet, we're still in the action adventure genre as of yet. and this is exactly what i need! harsh criticism drives me to improve and do better than what i already have! training if you will. this criticism has spurred me forward to creating more of the book, hell, ill be honest with you, the first two paragraphs were done when i was eight, that was a long time ago, when i knew nothing about book writing, which, ill be honest again, i still don't know much about. but thank you for your concerns, i think ill get along just fine no matter what these guys throw at me. i have my "flame retardant suit" on.
 

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You lost me at Jokno the beetle, or whatever. Seriously, Yahtzee's misuse of punctuation doesn't mean you can do that too. I might have read this whole thing if it wasn't a wall of text, so tl;dr.

However, I'll critique you on the part I did read. It's almost like... you're trying to write a good film script in media res but you're giving away way too much information way too quick. Do you really think Gomar would have the time to explain to the audience who he is and why he's here as he's getting chased by something with a titanium claw? You have to withhold information and release it at the right times. That's what makes a great writer.

Also, making a story unnecessarily complex to try and add to its depth doesn't usually work so well either. As I said before, it's all about systematically letting the reader on to the story. You can't blurt out stuff about Jokno beetles and space miasmas and random friends who you "punch people's lights out" for (don't use that term, btw, it made me rage). You have to start out small, with something everyone can relate to or imagine easily (ex: running from a giant monster) and then, with dialogue or clever narrative, reveal things about this new universe you're forming.

Think about the first Star Wars that ever came out. You see some human guys on a ship getting ready to battle some evil looking guys in suits, and then Darth Vader comes, and it's immediately apparent who the bad guys are. We don't know yet about Yoda, or Coruscant, or Jabba the Hutt. All that stuff comes ALONG with the narrative, and is revealed one thing at a time. This draws in the audience and captures their interest, though you will never make something with as much depth as the Star Wars universe.

Also, don't use stupid complex words just because they are complex. People hate that.

My suggestion to you: read a lot more sci-fi and other kinds of fiction. See what authors who are enjoyable to read do compared to the ones who aren't as enjoyable. Try to emulate the basic narrative, and come up with your own writing style.

Good luck
 

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?Run, Dad, run!? I screamed. My father was practically tripping over his own feet as he ran from our pursuer. Around and around we ran, the stadium roaring with the cheers of onlookers, and I saw some of them betting on me and whatever it was that was chasing me. A titanic claw raked the ground where I would have been standing mere seconds ago.
Maybe I should back up.

My name is Gomar, once a hero, now a criminal worth no more than the ground on which I walk. My friends are Jamia and Jono. When it comes to someone threatening their life, I?m not exactly the conversational type and someone was about to cause them pain. And I wasn?t pleased. So I did what any sensible person would do, I punched his lights out. Apparently he told a very false tale about me, which I will speak of later on, so here I am, running for my life to entertain these people.
Tah-dah! - I just increased the effectiveness of that whole section with three presses of the enter key.

I'll add more when I get around to reading the rest, but so far so good.
Not too original or groundbreaking, but you have good descriptive skills and a solid grasp of the English language.

Though I must warn you, I probably wouldn't read a whole book with someone called "Gomar" as my protagonist.
It's irritatingly 'generically-made-up-fantasy-name'.
 

LongAndShort

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s00perguy said:
you realize if you actually read the damned thing i introduced about ten different characters right? and people being pricks is EXACTLY what i want from this site! i need people who don't give a damn about books to give me the best advice of all! some logic IS buried in there some where.
I did read the damn thing and I know you introduced a stack of characters. That's fine. it was the background/foregrounding that was misplaced.
 

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look, im not trying to set the world on fire like stephanie meyer, j.r. tolkien or any of those other guys,
Please don't compare someone as utterly talentless as Stephanie Meyer to a genius like Tolkien, they couldn't be further apart in terms of writing skill.
 

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Lacks description, uses too many made up things. A tree can just be a tree, no need for an amazing special name for mundane things. Like a good deal of other bad writers, you've pictured the actions but not so much the scene. A reference in a book by Isaac Asimov explains it pretty well, paraphrased: "when they speak of a 'tree', its not necessarily a tree as you would think, and the 'miles' aren't 5280 feet, per se."

The mundane need not be explained, instead focus on the things people can't easily see in their minds: atmosphere. All art is meant to evoke a feeling, not just tell a story or explain something. Also, holycrapwalloftextneedsparagraphs. I'd say scrap the whole thing, write out an outline, like a storyboard, and work off that.
 

GrinningManiac

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Didn't like the intro. You tried to do the "Jump into action without explanation" but chicken out and randomly backed up to give detail

Promising start, but you need to try and plant explanation, details and information better into the writing. Artificial descriptions at random (Like the bit where you randomly point out people are betting on the creature eating you) makes me squirm a little with embarresment

But the story is solid, keep it up!

I may post up the start to my book if anyone's interested
 

Rex Legends

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I think meh can sum up my mood.
I'd say pacing is a bit off, doesn't really flow very well.
Not especially qualified to criticism, but hey, I didn't enter a rage induced cardiac arrest like I did reading sections of Twilight. Well done.
 

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s00perguy said:
these guys are gamers, they have ADD or ADHD so its impossible to know what will hold their attention for the next nanosecond.
s00perguy said:
i need people who don't give a damn about books to give me the best advice of all! some logic IS buried in there some where.
s00perguy said:
do even gamers, people who would use a book to wipe their asses before reading it
I'm tempted to say "Fuck you and the horse you rode in on", but you've made a honest mistake.

For starters, before absolutely everything else: you are making me rage so hard. Why? Because of your constant insistence that gamers couldn't care less about books.

Maybe your typical fuckup shooter-head (nothing wrong with shooters) doesn't care about books; however, the people I will call "significant" gamers (at least, in terms of caring about the genre legitimately and being interested in more than the next big thing they're playing) are the smart ones.

And smart guys usually read books. Even literature.

It's hard to get my point across on the Internet, and I would probably make more sense in real life.

Now that that's all out of the way:

Remember this: your first draft is generally going to be crap anyway. It doesn't matter. The first draft is just for getting ideas on paper, for getting a storyline and characters out of your brain and into the physical world.

Your first draft happens to reach seemingly new levels of bad, but that's totally fine. Write your heart out with the following suggestion:

Pacing. You're introducing metric fucktons of characters and content in "the first chapter". You're spending a few sentences on stuff that should be taking pages to explain. And as some people mentioned before, it reads like a transcribed comic book. Exactly so, in fact.

Is it impossible to salvage? Hell no! Just remember your spacing, and for the love of god, remember that many gamers are intelligent people, not your average meathead in gamer's clothing.
 

Lilani

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The return button: please use it.

I mean really. I've seen legal documents with shorter paragraphs.
 
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It's not bad, but it's not good so i guess it needs some work. I mean after reading this i said "wow you are actually pretty good but you still need work" I think that you could become a talented writer if you polish this up a bit. Like make the paragraphs shorter your second paragraph could probably take up about 5 pages and thats something you dont want. space your ideas out instead of putting it all in one box.
 

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s00perguy said:
I need honest, blunt, bastards like yourselves to review it[.]

Chapter 1

"Run, Dad, run!" I screamed. My father was practically tripping over his own feet as he ran from our pursuer. Around and around we ran, the stadium roaring with the cheers of onlookers. and I saw some of them betting on me, or whatever it was that was chasing me. A titanic claw raked the ground where I would have been standing mere seconds ago. (Line Break.)

Maybe I should back up. My name is Gomar. I was once a hero, now a criminal worth no more than the ground on which I walk. My friends are Jamia and Jono. When it comes to someone threatening their life, I'm not exactly the conversational type and someone was about to cause them pain. And I wasn't pleased. So I did what any sensible person would do, I punched his lights out. Apparently he told a very false tale about me, which I will speak of later on. (LB)

S
o there I was, running for my life to entertain these people. If I got out alive I would get him, no questions asked! I did not know what the creature chasing me was called, but there was another creature there that I did know. It was a miasma (a seemingly single organism made of many) known as the Jokno Beetle. Just then, I noticed something very important about this particular swarm of Jokno. Something that was very well emphasized in the textbooks I read in school. Since the match began, the Jokno hadn't separated and surrounded me, which was the usual Jokno hunting tactic. This is when I realized this was a Jokno that could no longer separate into the millions of Jokno it was once made of. As the textbook said, when they were in this state, touching them in any way would mutate and physically bond them to your anatomy. You are able to lift three hundred times your own weight, and with the bond you would grow pincers on your arms, strong and sharp enough to chop through steel. This would be the best thing to ever happen to you, except for the unholy monster you become. (LB)

But I had to take my chances or meet my death by whatever was chasing me. Lucky me, the Jokno was heading straight for me, so I charged it. Praying this would work, I touched its skin; it felt dry, soft, and slightly furry. In the span of the few seconds it took to transform, there was unimaginable pain! I tried to scream, but the transformation was too fast for the thought to scream to get from my mind to my lips. Then there was nothing to make a sound with, for my mouth was replaced by insectoid jaws. I heard the beetle slurping into my entire anatomy. When it was over, my skin was so hard I hadn?t even noticed that the creature that had been chasing me had bitten me. (LB)

Then I grabbed it by the snout and threw it to the other side of the stadium punching a hole through the wall. When the dust settled I was ready to pound it again, and again, the adrenaline pumping through my system. Amazed at what I did, I looked at the beast as it lay limp, dead. I ran through the hole so fast I almost flew. My father was still standing there, bug-eyed, (Literally or figuratively?) muttering something to the effect of, "I saw nothing!" I then hid in shame of my hideousness, taking advantage of the darkness provided by a filthy alleyway, then dreamt of before all this came to be. (LB)

It started on Roku* Island, my home. Reportedly, islands and land masses were spontaneously becoming lifeless. and I, Being an adventurer I was, I was curious. So I studied the pattern in which that the islands were dying, in and realized the one right beside us was next! That evening, I rowed my old boat out there and waited. It was midnight when I finally saw it. Like a silvery orb with an ominous glow, it sped toward the island I was on. It never even touched the water, simply hovering in the air. I stared in awe. This was what was doing all this, and I doubted it could be stopped. Fearing that my island was next, I jumped in my boat and I swear it was the first time it was in the air, not even touching the water. I told the elders what I had seen. and the Blood drained form their faces, as they had gone white with fear! Immediately they went into action, preparing the islanders to evacuate.

I stayed behind to coordinate the evacuation, and was preparing to leave when was rushing everyone to the evacuation boats in the last minutes of the escape when a little boy tripped, and falling so hard that he broke his leg. Checking to ensure everything was still going smoothly, I I saw the escape was going smoothly so I ran over to him. and picked him up inches from The orb had arrived, looming dangerously close to the shore. I found his mother, and it was a very joyous reunion. The evacuation had completed, with everyone on the boat Everyone got off the island seconds before the orb swallowed it whole! They called me a hero. I saved the boy's life seconds from death, and didn't even not knowing I could have met my own end also.

After sucking the life from the island, it lifted away like a ball of molten gold, (Didn't you say silver two paragraphs ago?) hovering above the now lifeless land. The devastation was crushing. The trees, animals... Gone. My old home. Everything laid in silence, just a mountain of rock jutting from the ocean. As we drifted toward the open ocean, I managed a glance at the orb. I could have sworn that if it had eyes, it was looking at me. (LB)

We were now on a new island, ready to begin a new life. There were trees with fruits we did not know anything about. Luckily, everything on the island was quite edible. We couldn't seem to find anything that was poisonous, fortunately for us. Everything was different and new. for It was a land that had not yet been mapped, a whole new chapter in our textbooks, and our lives. As I settled into my new home, I remembered There was something that mother of the child I had saved handed to me. It was a fruit from our island, my home. A Rachtl*, the most expensive delicacy on Roku Island. The mother said that this was her way of thanking me, and gave me the only part of our island that was left. The elders believed in starting new for this island, not bringing home with us. It would merely cause sadness and depression. (LB)

No one knew what this orb wanted or what it was, but I had a feeling that the elders knew that and more. They were the wisest of our village. and If they didn't know, nobody did. I went to the hut of the elders, the first one built. for They are the most important people in the village. Accordingly, their hut was quite large. Large enough to accommodate everyone in the village until the other houses were made. The elders were inside of their hut when we (Who's the we?) walked up to their conference table to ask why the orb was here, and what it was. They said the orb was known as Dakun, or It was also known as "The Devourer." It had been going through the process of devouring the life of all the land masses of land for centuries. This kept happening because life kept returning to these dead islands unknowingly, so it had found a supposedly infinite food source. I never wanted this to happen, but now it was. (Really? "I never wanted the complete end to life to happen." Had he forseen it and now feels guilty? I feel like this line is just weird.) My greatest nightmare was realized and brought to life. I went to my cot on the floor, feeling sad and hopeless. (LB)

I began to think about the trip (which?) over, and how very tense the journey was. No one else dared to venture to the other side of the isle, for fearing dangers what we didn't find on this side would be found on the other. I jumped into my own boat, which that I towed along for personal use. I took my boat and went around the island, in search of other life. I got about halfway around the island when I saw movement in the bushes. If I came up close to it, and it would jumped away. again. I ran after it, and it kept retreating. I ran and ran and ran, until it brought me to the middle of the island, which housed a volcano. (LB)
The first thing I notice is a lot of syntactical quirks that hurt your prose by leaps and bounds. Progression phrases like "First," "then," and "next" are particularly difficult to a story. Since linear progression is implied, "then" and "next" are unnecessary. You also show a bizarre understanding of the language which seems to suggest a steam-of-conscious writing style. While that's not necessarily bad, this sort of narrative relies on the reader's participation with the narrative. The problem is that the reader can't with this style, it's too jumpy and unapproachable. You also really, really need to learn how to format, especially where compound sentences, sentence breaks, and paragraph breaks belong.

The largest problem is you're telling a bar room story. "First, I did something at someplace. Then, I did this, then that." All we have is the passage of events. There's no visual input, no spark, no personality. Everything is remote, absent, missing anything that engage the readers' senses. Notice how you get through so many events in the narrative in such a short space. It's because of that format.

My biggest suggestion is read, a lot. Find books, articles, writers that you like, and figure out what you like about them. You have a lot of things you still need to practice and improve. You really could use a bit of brushing up on writing practice and theory. There's a thread on the topic right here [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.111856]. Hope this has helped, and if you have any questions, feel free to reply to this post or PM me.

Warmest regards,
 

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DuplicateValue said:
s00perguy said:
?Run, Dad, run!? I screamed. My father was practically tripping over his own feet as he ran from our pursuer. Around and around we ran, the stadium roaring with the cheers of onlookers, and I saw some of them betting on me and whatever it was that was chasing me. A titanic claw raked the ground where I would have been standing mere seconds ago.
Maybe I should back up.
ok, i like what you've done. and i need someone to help edit. i cant do it all alone. and if you have some better name ideas, please insert as you wish. maybe we could get a partnership going? but im getting ahead of myself, what do you think?
 

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s00perguy said:
DuplicateValue said:
s00perguy said:
?Run, Dad, run!? I screamed. My father was practically tripping over his own feet as he ran from our pursuer. Around and around we ran, the stadium roaring with the cheers of onlookers, and I saw some of them betting on me and whatever it was that was chasing me. A titanic claw raked the ground where I would have been standing mere seconds ago.
Maybe I should back up.
ok, i like what you've done. and i need someone to help edit. i cant do it all alone. and if you have some better name ideas, please insert as you wish. maybe we could get a partnership going? but im getting ahead of myself, what do you think?
I would never touch another person's work.
It's like raping their soul. O.O

But I'll try to help out if I can. =]

Also, you should be careful - letting people edit your story leaves you wide open to lawsuits if/when you publish it.
 

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Spleenbag said:
s00perguy said:
these guys are gamers, they have ADD or ADHD so its impossible to know what will hold their attention for the next nanosecond.
s00perguy said:
i need people who don't give a damn about books to give me the best advice of all! some logic IS buried in there some where.
s00perguy said:
do even gamers, people who would use a book to wipe their asses before reading it
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I second this, just because we play games doesn't mean we don't read
 

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Sorry if I've missed someone already asking but how long have you been writing? How long has it been a hobby of yours? x