Poll: A question for Escapist readers from the UK.

[ToxicOranges]

I am proud to be English. I love my heritage, I love the castles, I love the countryside, even the weather - it isn't gonna kill me at any rate - I love the politeness of English people, I love our weird and wonderful language.

Do I care about Scotland / Wales / Northern Ireland in the same light? No.
Am I proud to be British? No.

>inb4 racist

 

[Hazy992]

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*looks at custom title*

I bet the OP just loves you!

*Hides* I don't wanna befriend a nutter >.<

I've had this title for long enough anyways....

But now he knows so I'm sure you two will be best buds

 

[Hazy992]

SO when the English are proud of their country and keep going on and on about "1966" and "INGERLAND" it is ok and it is patriotic, but when someone from Wales or Scotland does the same it is racist, bigoted, extremist and unreasonable.

But you're not doing that, you're just blaming the English on all your problems.

If each country in this so called "United" Kingdom is equal then tell me why there is no Welsh presence on the Union Jack also that the "Prince of Wales" is English and not Welsh compleatly ignoring the fact that Wales had a Royal Family for hundreds of years and also the the Tudor Royal Family which included Henry the Eighth and Elizabeth the First were descended from Welsh Royalty, the last native Welshman to hold the title of Price of Wales was in the 1300's and was also the last Welsh King ( and Welsh folk hero(see Meibion Glyndwr(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meibion_Glynd%C5%B5r))) Owain Glyndwr.

Why isn't the Duke of Cambridge actually from Cambridge? HERPA DERP. It's ceremoniously giving him a part of the Kingdom, and like it or not Wales is in that Kingdom.

 

[Madcat75]

Why isn't the Duke of Cambridge actually from Cambridge? HERPA DERP. It's ceremoniously giving him a part of the Kingdom, and like it or not Wales is in that Kingdom.

At least the Duke of Cambridge is English, is it too much to actually want a Welsh Prince of Wales, I think Wales is the only country in the World where the ruling Royal Family is not from the Country it is ruling.

 

[Hazy992]

At least the Duke of Cambridge is English, is it too much to actually want a Welsh Prince of Wales

Because that's not how the Royal Family works. They're the Royal Family of the entire United Kingdom so we're not going to designate different monarchs to different areas of the country are we? And BTW the Duke of Edinburgh isn't Scottish, which leads onto my next point:

I think Wales is the only country in the World where the ruling Royal Family is not from the Country it is ruling.

Other than Scotland and Northern Ireland? Did you forget about them? Oh, and Prince Philip (the current Duke of Edinburgh) is Greek. And Princess Grace of Monaco was from Philadelphia. The nationality doesn't make a difference.

EDIT: And what about the Commonwealth? Pretty sure old Lizzie isn't simultaneously Canadian, Australian, Jamaican, from New Zealand and wherever else she rules over.

 

[JokerboyJordan]

Why isn't the Duke of Cambridge actually from Cambridge? HERPA DERP. It's ceremoniously giving him a part of the Kingdom, and like it or not Wales is in that Kingdom.

At least the Duke of Cambridge is English, is it too much to actually want a Welsh Prince of Wales, I think Wales is the only country in the World where the ruling Royal Family is not from the Country it is ruling.

Except Britain...where the ruling family is technically German...

Your logic just fails so bad, you neglect all the other people who raise any valid criticism of your arguments, and choose instead to keep harping on about the same topic.

I think that the United Kingdom should say a big "FUCK YOU" to being separate countries, and just join everyone together just so you can stop being a bigot.

 

[Woodsey]

I'm a British Briton from the British country of England. So, yeah, British'll do.

I also increasingly associate people who insist upon saying "I'M ENGLISH" as being annoyingly nationalistic and likely racist.

Why isn't the Duke of Cambridge actually from Cambridge? HERPA DERP. It's ceremoniously giving him a part of the Kingdom, and like it or not Wales is in that Kingdom.

At least the Duke of Cambridge is English, is it too much to actually want a Welsh Prince of Wales, I think Wales is the only country in the World where the ruling Royal Family is not from the Country it is ruling.

Uh... Canada and Australia?

And yeah, it is kind of too much to want something which means fuck all. It's a ceremonious title for a ceremonious tourist attraction (the Royal Family, not Wales). How do you propose you get a Welsh Prince of Wales? They're the Royal Family for the UK, and Wales is a part of the UK.

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We're all technically African if you insist on being technical.

 

[Eamar]

Yeah, I hate how the "English government" has such utter control over everything. Y'know, what with all the Scottish/Welsh/Irish MPs being able to vote on matters that only affect English people, but the reverse not being true ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Lothian_question ). Oh, and that Scottish Prime Minister we had a couple of years ago, who was Chancellor of the Exchequer for years before that. Yeah, all totally English.

/sarcasm

Seriously, there's no such thing as a separate "English parliament." There's a National Assembly for Wales, a Scottish Parliament and a Parliament of Northern Ireland, but no purely English equivalent.

And while we're on the subject of you having English rule forced on you, I guess all us English should throw off our Germanic shackles imposed on us by the Saxons. Or rally against Scandinavian imperialism because of the Vikings. Or reclaim our liberty from the French after that nasty 1066 Norman Conquest business. How far back do you want to go? Hell, pretty much everyone in Europe (and parts of Africa and Asia) should fight back against those bloody Italians. In the immortal words of Monty Python: Romanes eunt domus!

Hey, you're using Logic and reason... and faaaacts.

We don't like that round these parts. We'd rather hold on to ignorance and bigotry because blaming all of the worlds woes on [inset boogyman here] helps us put the world in an understandable perspective and helps us sleep at night.

Please leave with your thinking and whatnot.

*hangs head*

I'm sorry, I promise I won't do it again... can I still be part of the club now?

 

[Nightmonger]

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say...

Obvious troll is obvious

 

[SckizoBoy]

I wonder how the English would feel if the UK still looked like this and they were ruled by the Welsh instead of being the ones in power and control.

(pic snipped)

The English have also screwed over the other nations, they closed every Coal Mine in Wales and ruined thousands of Welsh Families before they even considered closing ONE English Mine.

In sports I will NEVER support England, in the Olympics I will support Welsh, Scottish and Irish athletes but I will not support one English Athlete.

Y'know... that's one of the silliest things I've read/heard in a long time. Really, the Welsh are English and the 'English' are a hybrid version of Danish/German/French. The English haven't been English for almost a thousand years.

Besides, I find it amusing that you rage about 'the Three Lions' when that was the crest of Llewelyn ap Gruffud/Ein Llyw Olaf. And you can alternately blame him, Dafydd and the Longshanks for any misfortune that befalled the Welsh nation, which I hasten to add, by this time as an independent state was no more than the north-western corner of modern day Wales. So you can hardly go hating on most of us, perhaps particularly my ilk and all (seeing as how I'm ostensibly a Chinese Britisher).

See, if everyone thought like the way you're coming across now, the following:

Germany would want to invade both France and Poland again, owing to (legal) suzerainty over Silesia, Prussia and Alsace-Lorraine at certain points in history.
Russia would want to claim back fuck knows how much.
China would want to invade Siberia because y'know, everyone knows how the Chinese Empire included most of the eastern half of the Eurasian landmass.
Sweden would want Finland back, as would Denmark over Iceland and Norway.
Lower Schleswig would be rebellious because they're Danish.
Native American Indians would seriously fuck some shit up in NA.
Aborigines and Maoris should start going around killing anyone they see with white skin.
And South America would be a bloody mess within a couple years.

Hate to burst your bubble of racial hatred but aren't most of the politicians in the English parliament Scottish? Also the English crown did end up with a Scot family (King James I of England who is King James VII, or VII, of Scotland can't remember which), of course it then went to the Germans.

Sixth, but who's counting. Even so, that's pretty much the same point. The Monarch of England was only really English for about two hundred years after which they were always some random combination of various Europeans.

SO when the English are proud of their country and keep going on and on about "1966" and "INGERLAND" it is ok and it is patriotic, but when someone from Wales or Scotland does the same it is racist, bigoted, extremist and unreasonable.

Ah, now, see, you're being anti-everyone else, as opposed to pro-Welsh. I can appreciate a fine Shane Williams try like the rest of us, but when someone stands up to tell Owen Farrell to fuck the hell off when he lands a 40m penalty, that's what you're doing right now.

At least the Duke of Cambridge is English, is it too much to actually want a Welsh Prince of Wales, I think Wales is the only country in the World where the ruling Royal Family is not from the Country it is ruling.

Erm... no, but good lucky trying to find someone who is willing to take the part. The Royal Family is mostly German (still, though probably not for long), the Dutch and Belgian Royal Families are all Hohenzollern (i.e. German), the Danish Royal Family is Oldenburg German, the Spanish Royal Family is Greek and German, the Swedish Royal Family is French... I could go on... In fact, the only royal line that can still claim 'pureblood' status as being that of its nation is Germany (think the current head of the family is Georg). But even his title is stupid (Prinz von Preussen), because Prussia is either in Poland, or the Kaliningrad Oblast.

Oh and of course England too as the royal family is actually Norman.

Duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuude, catch up with the times, man! That's like, so 1500's!! XD

And what about the Commonwealth? Pretty sure old Lizzie isn't simultaneously Canadian, Australian, Jamaican, from New Zealand and wherever else she rules over.

Maybe she enjoys a good spliff now and then and really thinks she's all of 'em.

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I've got it! He wants to be the Welsh Rob Roy... (late life debt, eviction and all...)

 

[Westaway]

Guys, I think we can give it a rest. Obviously nothing we can say will persuade OP; they are clearly extremist and unreasonable. At least that's how OP comes across... I'm sure OP is a fine person when they're not talking about the English.

SO when the English are proud of their country and keep going on and on about "1966" and "INGERLAND" it is ok and it is patriotic, but when someone from Wales or Scotland does the same it is racist, bigoted, extremist and unreasonable.

If each country in this so called "United" Kingdom is equal then tell me why there is no Welsh presence on the Union Jack also that the "Prince of Wales" is English and not Welsh compleatly ignoring the fact that Wales had a Royal Family for hundreds of years and also the the Tudor Royal Family which included Henry the Eighth and Elizabeth the First were descended from Welsh Royalty, the last native Welshman to hold the title of Price of Wales was in the 1300's and was also the last Welsh King ( and Welsh folk hero(see Meibion Glyndwr(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meibion_Glynd%C5%B5r))) Owain Glyndwr.

Captcha - Burning Oil, seem very apt for this topic.

You know what? It is okay to be patriotic. Patriotism is a good thing. However, you are not being patriotic. You are being extremist.
"We will rise again!"
"We are the TRUE British!"
"We have been REPRESSED!"

Do you understand how bat shit insane that sounds? You sound like a Welsh Hitler!
Not only that, you have also dismissed every English guy in this thread as an asshole, even though they clearly aren't making the decisions.
But that's not the only thing you've done that's unreasonable. You have ignored every single well worded counter argument, and reply only to those that you can easily respond to. THAT is why you're being unreasonable; you're not listening to anyone, and it's clear nothing we say will change your mind because you just close your ears. You know what would be reasonable? Not changing the subject, like you did above. I wasn't even referring to the real argument, I was talking about how you're not listening. Another thing that would be reasonable would be to respond to every argument, and shift or change your point of view when evidence is presented.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvlQXPNwrqo

 

[Madcat75]

This video is much better.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bOqY2xSD6U&feature=relmfu

 

[Westaway]

Oops, can someone delete this? My bad.

 

[Westaway]

This video is much better.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bOqY2xSD6U&feature=relmfu

Passive aggressive responses such as thus are why you're an unreasonable lost cause that right now isn't worth having a discussion with. I say everyone just goes home and pretends this whole thread never happened.

 

[Madcat75]

This video is much better.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bOqY2xSD6U&feature=relmfu

Passive aggressive responses such as thus are why you're an unreasonable lost cause that right now isn't worth having a discussion with. I say everyone just goes home and pretends this whole thread never happened.

Not wanting to have hundreds of years of History, Culture, Traditions and Language repressed and discarded, is being extreme? Actually wanting Wales to be a true part of the UK instead of being seen as just another part of England, is extreme? Wanting Wales to be seen as a part of Europe instead of being seen as Englands lapdog, is extreme? If that is the case then yes I am extreme.

It is ok for all the Engliah here you are the ones in control, you are the ones who decide what History, Culture, Traditions and Languages are saved and what are discarded, you do not know what it is like to feel like a second class citizen just because you do not belong to the ruling English majority.

 

[Westaway]

This video is much better.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bOqY2xSD6U&feature=relmfu

Passive aggressive responses such as thus are why you're an unreasonable lost cause that right now isn't worth having a discussion with. I say everyone just goes home and pretends this whole thread never happened.

Not wanting to have hundreds of years of History, Culture, Traditions and Language repressed and discarded, is being extreme? Actually wanting Wales to be a true part of the UK instead of being seen as just another part of England, is extreme? Wanting Wales to be seen as a part of Europe instead of being seen as Englands lapdog, is extreme? If that is the case then yes I am extreme.

It is ok for all the Engliah here you are the ones in control, you are the ones who decide what History, Culture, Traditions and Languages are saved and what are discarded, you do not know what it is like to feel like a second class citizen just because you do not belong to the ruling English majority.

Once again, taking things out of context then repeating previous arguments. I clearly said that there's nothing wrong with patriotism. You are extremist in the sense that you come across as a Welsh supremist. You also blindly spew out insults to average English who are obviously not making executive decisions regarding what cultures are "repressed" and "dismissed". Why would the English even DO that? To be dicks? Who thought up the whole "Let's repress the Welsh because we're an evil imperialist country"? I think you did.

And you know what? I'M NOT EVEN ENGLISH. I'm CANADIAN. I just chose the opposite side because none of your statements makes sense or are presented well, and you're just generally being passive aggressive and misunderstanding things on purpose.

 

[Rastien]

English dude here, you guys claim to be under the oppersion of the english yet you still get free uni educations and alot of other welsh only benefits which still come from the UK as a whole and thus from my taxes...

Anyways to be blunt i don't give a bollacks and neither should you ^^ just get on with things why worry about it? what would it achieve : / as someone already said were alot stronger united than seperated.

Also its free to drive out of whales but not into! this is madness. Although as a welsh comedian put it, "we put the fine entering whales so when some of us leave were to cheap to pay the toll back and get stuck in england thins the heard" or something to that effect.

But yeah long story short, just get on with your day im sure there are far more entertaining things to do than go on a crusade.

Oh also what is your political partys stand point on migrant workers and immigrants? or is it welsh jobs for welsh people?

As right now reading your hate spewing bile you seem like the biggoted BNP in England.

Also you guys get free prescriptions to boot! something else we have to pay for in the UK. You say you have no say in goverment yet you have vastly different systems to england yet we still pay for it

 

[Rastien]

Why isn't the Duke of Cambridge actually from Cambridge? HERPA DERP. It's ceremoniously giving him a part of the Kingdom, and like it or not Wales is in that Kingdom.

At least the Duke of Cambridge is English, is it too much to actually want a Welsh Prince of Wales, I think Wales is the only country in the World where the ruling Royal Family is not from the Country it is ruling.

Faroe islands are the slaves of denmark pretty much (really just joking here ) check those boyos out, oddly enough they are closer to scotland than denmark but they are still ruled by them.

Also as injustice from one country to another goes i would advise taking a look at Tibet.