Poll: A question for you about microsoft's decisions

[LT Cannibal 68]

Do you guys think that Microsoft will change their stance/policies on drm and internet check-ins every 24 hours? TBH I actually preordered and X1 on amazon today just in case they do. I also dropped a benji at gamestop for a ps4.
So do You all think they will? can they even do that at this point? we're 5 months out as of now and i really hope they do. It would be smart to do so if only to counter sony's stance don't you think?

 

[Soopy]

They wont change a thing.
Their arrogance is astounding and it will be to their detriment.

 

[9thRequiem]

It's really sad to say, but the truth is, the percentage of people who get bothered by that kind of thing are really small. For all the people on here who despise the online requirement, there's a much larger market comprised of parents who'll want the TV/general media aspect, and "Dudebro"s who'll buy it because of Madden/CoD and just won't care or perhaps even notice.

I know we all like to think of this is "Our" market, but it really isn't. Look at Kinect - Pretty much universally reviled by "Gamers" (I hate that term, but here it sort of applies), and yet sold incredibly well.

They won't change, and while they won't see the same level of success they got from the 360, they won't fail because of it.

On top of that, I'm in the "General Gamer" section, and the online requirement doesn't even slightly bother me.

 

[LT Cannibal 68]

You preordered the Xbone in the case that they MIGHT change their stance...which they probably won't?

Look, preordering because you actually LIKE what they're doing, you like the games, you like MS, I can dig. But that reasoning really baffles me.

i didn't elaborate enough sorry lol, i preordered the one because until recently i love the xbox brand.
tbh the only reason i'm on the fence is that the 24hr check in thing, the used game drm doesn't affect me at all as i have a stable consistent connection and i buy new and all of my friends do to so no lending is ever involved and I just REALLY want Dead rising 3 lol.

 

[Zeh Don]

They won't change their stance, due to a number of factors that create a house of cards.

The biggest is also the simplest: games are run from the hard-drive.
This means that every game is designed with the speed of the hard-drive as the read speed. This is why it's not replaceable, because they need the hardware consistency as developers are relying on it to over-come the slower Blu-Ray drive Microsoft are using.

It is also why the internet requirement exists in the first place - though Microsoft doubled down on it, with the users not requiring the disc to play after the game has been installed. This is why the console needs to phone-home every 24 hours, and why the internet requirement exists.

If they remove the internet requirement, they can no longer authenticate their games, meaning they can no longer allow them to be installed from the hard-drive. Which they cannot do, because Developers are relying on it now.
The stop-gap fix is, of course, allowing the system to use the game disc in the tray as verification. However, this would re-enable open game trading, destroying the already inked deals Microsoft have with Publishers, and retailers, to prevent this.

Microsoft can't remove a feature, because it brings the house of cards crashing down. This leaves Microsoft with only one real option: price. However, as Microsoft is infamously commented with the Surface Tablet, it refuses to be seen as the "cheap alternative" and so prices it's products to match the best of their competitors. It's why the Surface Pro tablet is ridiculously expensive, and is utterly failing to compete with iPad in any market.

They've dug themselves into a whole with the feature set that cannot be altered. And their arrogance prevents them from changing the price tag.

This console is going to be a spectacular failure - a perfect storm of bad ideas, hubris and the worst consumer feedback I've ever seen for a consumer electronics device in my entire life.

 

[chozo_hybrid]

Even if they do, they've shown their true colors, I won't be trusting them again for a very very long time.

The fact they want to control what you do with something you bought with anti consumer policies and such, screw them.

 

[Sixcess]

It's really sad to say, but the truth is, the percentage of people who get bothered by that kind of thing are really small. For all the people on here who despise the online requirement, there's a much larger market comprised of parents who'll want the TV/general media aspect, and "Dudebro"s who'll buy it because of Madden/CoD and just won't care or perhaps even notice.

This is true, but I don't think it'll be enough to save them.

Mom and Dad are going to look at price as well, and that means a PS4. Even more casual gamers could be influenced by the hostility MS are feeding. There's a real risk that the Xbox One becomes such a universally reviled joke of a console in the gaming world that it's just not 'cool' to own one.

At which point MS better hope that there's an awful lot of fans of their exclusive titles out there, because that's the only customer base they'll have left.

 

[Sudden Thunder]

I can see a lot of parents buying this console without having done their research. Unless the store employees tell them of online requirements etc, I can see them bringing them back in anger demanding a refund. I wonder if the store will have to uphold that, as it cant be claimed as a defect.

 

[LT Cannibal 68]

They won't change their stance, due to a number of factors that create a house of cards.

The biggest is also the simplest: games are run from the hard-drive.
This means that every game is designed with the speed of the hard-drive as the read speed. This is why it's not replaceable, because they need the hardware consistency as developers are relying on it to over-come the slower Blu-Ray drive Microsoft are using.

It is also why the internet requirement exists in the first place - though Microsoft doubled down on it, with the users not requiring the disc to play after the game has been installed. This is why the console needs to phone-home every 24 hours, and why the internet requirement exists.

If they remove the internet requirement, they can no longer authenticate their games, meaning they can no longer allow them to be installed from the hard-drive. Which they cannot do, because Developers are relying on it now.
The stop-gap fix is, of course, allowing the system to use the game disc in the tray as verification. However, this would re-enable open game trading, destroying the already inked deals Microsoft have with Publishers, and retailers, to prevent this.

Microsoft can't remove a feature, because it brings the house of cards crashing down. This leaves Microsoft with only one real option: price. However, as Microsoft is infamously commented with the Surface Tablet, it refuses to be seen as the "cheap alternative" and so prices it's products to match the best of their competitors. It's why the Surface Pro tablet is ridiculously expensive, and is utterly failing to compete with iPad in any market.

They've dug themselves into a whole with the feature set that cannot be altered. And their arrogance prevents them from changing the price tag.

This console is going to be a spectacular failure - a perfect storm of bad ideas, hubris and the worst consumer feedback I've ever seen for a consumer electronics device in my entire life.

this may be true but we're still 5 months out from release, and running from disk is the norm right now. Maybe their r&d dept can do some redesigns of some things, or even have it so that download only titles need no 24hour check ins? That sounds reasonable and they said that things are subject to change and that not all features have been revealed yet.

 

[LT Cannibal 68]

I can see a lot of parents buying this console without having done their research. Unless the store employees tell them of online requirements etc, I can see them bringing them back in anger demanding a refund. I wonder if the store will have to uphold that, as it cant be claimed as a defect.

When i bought defiance the gamestop clerk warned me that the game required online to run, so i assume they'll do something like that.

 

[Tom_green_day]

I don't even think the DRM is a bad thing for me. I'm connected the internet every time I play PS3, and once a day would barely be noticable. It'll also be a good way for my games for update, instead of just whenever I want to play the game and have to wait ages.

 

[-Dragmire-]

We'll see after one year, change might come if the X1 is lagging far behind the ps4. However, if enough people buy it with the hope it will change eventually, that would be counterproductive to their hopes. They need to see a financial loss before anything will change.

 

[-Dragmire-]

They won't change their stance, due to a number of factors that create a house of cards.

The biggest is also the simplest: games are run from the hard-drive.
This means that every game is designed with the speed of the hard-drive as the read speed. This is why it's not replaceable, because they need the hardware consistency as developers are relying on it to over-come the slower Blu-Ray drive Microsoft are using.

It is also why the internet requirement exists in the first place - though Microsoft doubled down on it, with the users not requiring the disc to play after the game has been installed. This is why the console needs to phone-home every 24 hours, and why the internet requirement exists.

If they remove the internet requirement, they can no longer authenticate their games, meaning they can no longer allow them to be installed from the hard-drive. Which they cannot do, because Developers are relying on it now.
The stop-gap fix is, of course, allowing the system to use the game disc in the tray as verification. However, this would re-enable open game trading, destroying the already inked deals Microsoft have with Publishers, and retailers, to prevent this.

Microsoft can't remove a feature, because it brings the house of cards crashing down. This leaves Microsoft with only one real option: price. However, as Microsoft is infamously commented with the Surface Tablet, it refuses to be seen as the "cheap alternative" and so prices it's products to match the best of their competitors. It's why the Surface Pro tablet is ridiculously expensive, and is utterly failing to compete with iPad in any market.

They've dug themselves into a whole with the feature set that cannot be altered. And their arrogance prevents them from changing the price tag.

This console is going to be a spectacular failure - a perfect storm of bad ideas, hubris and the worst consumer feedback I've ever seen for a consumer electronics device in my entire life.

I don't think the deals they made were for the entire life of the console. I'm guessing the first year will be a testing ground for their new implementations, after which they can decide to either stay the course if things go well or revert to a disk checking model if things don't. I may be wrong but it makes sense to have plans based on levels of success rather than a blindfolded all-in approach.

 

[Username Redacted]

I'm still seeing adds on TV for Windows 8 so I'm going to go out on a limb and say that M$ isn't clever enough to realize how badly they're fucking themselves.

 

[shrekfan246]

The only way I see the policies changing is if the Xbox One doesn't sell.

And I mean lower than Dreamcast-level of sales, here. It needs to be a massive disappointment, otherwise Microsoft are going to feel like their practices are validated, because if "it doesn't effect me personally" is enough of a justification to make the Xbox One fly off the shelves, then Microsoft is going to believe that their customers will eat up anything they spit out regardless of how terrible it gets.

 

[Keith K]

Should they change? Yes. Will they? No. Will that mean their failure? No. Will it lead to an uphill battle, some heads rattled and some lessons learned? I hope so, but kinda doubt that last part at least.

 

[Requia]

They won't change their stance, due to a number of factors that create a house of cards.

The biggest is also the simplest: games are run from the hard-drive.
This means that every game is designed with the speed of the hard-drive as the read speed. This is why it's not replaceable, because they need the hardware consistency as developers are relying on it to over-come the slower Blu-Ray drive Microsoft are using.

This is actually trivial to fix. You can already install games to the hard drive with the 360, and the 360 will only run it off the hard drive after it does a DRM check to verify you have the CD, getting you a faster read speed.

 

[BeeGeenie]

They "might" change it eventually, for the Xbone 1.5, but if they do, they'll tout it as a "New and exciting feature!" rather than an "Oops, we're sorry, please PLEASE buy our console" act of desperation.

So no, they're certainly not going to change it by launch date. They're much too deep in denial for that.