It doesn't need to. Oxygen comes from the mother through the placenta. Why should breathing constitute life? Bacteria don't breathe but they're alive. Breathing is the movement of the diaphragm, if the foetus took a breathe it would drown.crudus said:
This is a good sentiment; it is her body. But I disagree very much with your opinion that the clump of cells isn't "alive". It is very much alive, but whether it is alive isn't the real issue. There's no need to play the semantics game of whether it's a living thing since it certainly is alive by the standards of most any biologist. The issue is the personal autonomy of pregnant women versus that living clump of human cells such as it is supposedly having rights. The question is should that thing have legal protections. The answer to me plainly is no, whatever labels we want to put on it. "Abortion is murder" can be trivially true because of the semantics. It is the intentional death of a human; that doesn't make it right to ban abortions. The fact that we can say it is a living human isn't relevant to the choice. We should evaluate it independently. When we say someone is murdered, a much different idea occurs to us: a person with thoughts and history and a family or at least friends, a member of the community who has had hopes and dreams and known pleasures and pains has been killed, intentionally, by another. It is just plainly not the same situation as the killing of an unaware human for which interests can be only assumed, that is more potential than actual and entirely dependent on the life of the mother for itself to keep on living, by a doctor with the calm and sober consultation of the mother who would otherwise be charged with raising it (or trusting the child to someone else.) We should recognize that pregnant women do feel emotional connections to the being inside them, even when they want to abort. And some women regret their decision to have an abortion. It is a tough and momentous decision. But that doesn't mean we should take the decision away, exactly the opposite. It isn't right to treat any and all acts of sex which result in conception as a legal claim against the next nine months of the mother's life. The decision must be left to the mother whether to go through the ordeal which is bringing a child into this world. If you don't want to have an abortion yourself, or if you're a man who doesn't want to ever be involved with someone who would have an abortion, that's quite fine. But you need not impose your choice on everyone else.Zefar said:
Then what you support is an abortion of justice and the will of the people of the United States of America. Where the choice of the people was usurped for the will of a judge.neoman10 said:I support Roe V. Wade
True, it's one thing how you feel about something, it's quite another deciding for others. People that protest (and sometimes harm) abortion clinics confuse me.Fat Man Spoon said:
Yes, the choice of the people not to have a choice was 'usurped' by the will of a judge so that now individuals have the choice, not the state. How tyrannical.compensating said:Then what you support is an abortion of justice and the will of the people of the United States of America. Where the choice of the people was usurped for the will of a judge.neoman10 said:I support Roe V. Wade
No, I refuse to argue (or discuss) about this for several reasons: A. we both have poisoned wells, 2. its a moot point to argue the ethics of it since people will do it no matter what we decide, and C. nothing will come of me justifying my reasons; you will just find another place to argue semantics and nitpick. I shared my views on the subject as requested. I'm sorry but this is one of the few things I won't discuss or argue because I have never seen anything good come from it.lostclause said:
Here is Sweden. You are considered legal at 15. So instead, we have 13-year old kid running around with their pants down.Malicious said:
well I just don't want to go any deeper than Roe V. Wade, and it was supposed to be a reference, kind of, to the daily showcompensating said:Then what you support is an abortion of justice and the will of the people of the United States of America. Where the choice of the people was usurped for the will of a judge.neoman10 said:I support Roe V. Wade
"A democracy must be more than two wolves and a sheep deciding what they should have for dinner."compensating said:
Your phone being disconnected is an inconvenience. Having a child you cannot support and don't fully want, as your responsibilty for at least two decades- That's a psychological, emotional and economic nightmare. With all the multifaceted differences that entails.Cargando said:
