You think he would at least tone down the "I want your money" speeches during a time when most people are being hurt by the depression/recession, and really he is about as well liked as Jack Thompson by most people, and that's saying a lot.tellmeimaninja said:
Poll: Activision destroying Blizzard?
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Well, they did express their dissatisfaction with Blizzard, actually.
Someone said something about the numbers of WoW players because those are not rising.
Seeing how they fucked over IW, I don't see why Blizzard is safe.
Someone said something about the numbers of WoW players because those are not rising.
Seeing how they fucked over IW, I don't see why Blizzard is safe.
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Oh I'm damn sure it's going to be good but still $60 plus 2 expansions if you want to finish the game(I'm going to guess at $40-$50 each) is way more then I want to pay for entertainment.[/quote]tony2077 said:
try paying $60+ for console game i've gotten used to getting screwed on the price so i don't worry about it anymore
Meh... The first 1/3rd of Starcraft 2 offers more content than Starcraft + Brood War.
WoW is still great, perhaps Blizz is catering to the masses, but that does not change my opinion that WotLK made WoW better than ever.
As for the people that complain about wanting WarCraft 4 now;
We are getting Starcraft 2 and Diablo 3 + a new expansion to WoW (and a new MMO is under development).
Can't get everything at once, no?
Hell, War4 might even be under development, they just havent told us yet...
As for the $60 price tag I offer you a quote:
WoW is still great, perhaps Blizz is catering to the masses, but that does not change my opinion that WotLK made WoW better than ever.
As for the people that complain about wanting WarCraft 4 now;
We are getting Starcraft 2 and Diablo 3 + a new expansion to WoW (and a new MMO is under development).
Can't get everything at once, no?
Hell, War4 might even be under development, they just havent told us yet...
As for the $60 price tag I offer you a quote:
How the hell are they not happy with 11 million people paying $15a month plus buy any expantions that come out?JourneyThroughHell said:
Blizzard rarely releases games. SUCK IT UP AND PAY THE $60.
It's still good, damn it. Blizzard is fine.
It's still good, damn it. Blizzard is fine.
Yea because $165,000,000(if you factor in all 11,000,000 paying $15)a month is nothing to be happy about, and there is a point were no matter what you do you cant get the game to grow, because you are not going to get people who don't like MMO's to play, or people that hate WoW to come back, that's just about the worst thinking I have ever heard from a company.JourneyThroughHell said:
That is, of course, excluding every RTS that has built upon the standard set by starcraft 1. It looks to be the same game with pretty graphics, some new units and a continued story, it certainly doesn't look to be adding anything new to the genre. It probably will have more single player content, but I have my doubts (in fact, I'd say it's flat out impossible) for a new game to have more content than games like WC3, CoH etc given their huge fanbases and near unlimited supply of user created content.Altheus_Necron said:
OT: I don't think activision have much to do with it, I mean we're talking about the company that relentlessly pursues revenue through WoW and charges well above average price on old games (the warcraft 3 battle chest is still often seen selling for $60au+). So yeah, a price mark up in line with local trends doesn't seem that uncharacteristic of them, releasing the extra parts as full releases rather than expansion packs does seem unlike blizzard, and I wouldn't be surprised to see a massive fanboy backlash if consumers are expected to pay full price 3 times for what is essentially the same game.
$60 is only the suggested retail price. If you shop around even now it's possible to find the game being sold for less. Plus there's the absolute certainty that there will be sales and deals made, prices will fall and copies will be tossed in bargain bins. Ultimately you only pay what you think the game is worth, and if you don't want to pay $60 you don't have to. It may mean waiting some time, but it's up to you and certainly possible.
I think gamers just like to complain myself, and will search for reasons to do so against all odds if need be. Meanwhile the bigger the developer or publisher, the bigger the target it becomes for these complaints. Lesser companies have charged more for games and have been ignored, smaller company have done worse, employed crueler tactic and even more money-grubbing behavior, but because they are small no one cares or pays attention. But when a larger target does so it is 'a sign of the apocalypse'!
Not that I endorse Activisions tactics. Not at all. But I *do* believe in the whole 'mountains from molehills' saying, and I think that applies here. Of all the myriad things to be worried about, this is the least of it!
If you want to protest Activisions actions, protest the closing of mods and project, and the military efficiency with which they 'protect' their IP at the expense of that very IP's fans and potential buyers. How they snuff out projects that have been in the works for years and which had the consent and even participation of the IPs original owners and creators. THAT is something worse worrying about, and a true sign of Activisions slip towards becoming the latest and greatest evil empire.
And yet almost no one in this topic will even know what I'm referring to. They're too busy worrying about Starcraft 2 being $60 at release at certain retailers. That's nothing! Who cares? If you don't wanna pay that much then just shop around, wait a few months till the price drops, wait for a deal. But the above I mention? That's permanent, and does genuine harm to the gaming community!
Blizzard is doing just fine, don't worry about them right now. There's much worse to worry about when it comes to Activision.
I think gamers just like to complain myself, and will search for reasons to do so against all odds if need be. Meanwhile the bigger the developer or publisher, the bigger the target it becomes for these complaints. Lesser companies have charged more for games and have been ignored, smaller company have done worse, employed crueler tactic and even more money-grubbing behavior, but because they are small no one cares or pays attention. But when a larger target does so it is 'a sign of the apocalypse'!
Not that I endorse Activisions tactics. Not at all. But I *do* believe in the whole 'mountains from molehills' saying, and I think that applies here. Of all the myriad things to be worried about, this is the least of it!
If you want to protest Activisions actions, protest the closing of mods and project, and the military efficiency with which they 'protect' their IP at the expense of that very IP's fans and potential buyers. How they snuff out projects that have been in the works for years and which had the consent and even participation of the IPs original owners and creators. THAT is something worse worrying about, and a true sign of Activisions slip towards becoming the latest and greatest evil empire.
And yet almost no one in this topic will even know what I'm referring to. They're too busy worrying about Starcraft 2 being $60 at release at certain retailers. That's nothing! Who cares? If you don't wanna pay that much then just shop around, wait a few months till the price drops, wait for a deal. But the above I mention? That's permanent, and does genuine harm to the gaming community!
Blizzard is doing just fine, don't worry about them right now. There's much worse to worry about when it comes to Activision.
For the people comparing US prices with European prices, please remember to add your local VAT after converting to Euros.
For instance, on amazon US, StarCraft 2 is $59.99, while on the German amazon, the same game is EUR 59.99. That is a serious difference in favor of the Americans.
With that said, unlike for other games with the same price tag, with StarCraft 2 you get a lot of value for your 60 bucks. In general, I don't like this 20% price increase, but in this particular case, I'm willing to put up with it.
As for splitting the game in 3, it's actually a great risk for Blizzard. If the players feel they're not getting enough from the single player Terran campaign, they'll not buy the sequels, because for multiplayer you only need one copy.
For instance, on amazon US, StarCraft 2 is $59.99, while on the German amazon, the same game is EUR 59.99. That is a serious difference in favor of the Americans.
With that said, unlike for other games with the same price tag, with StarCraft 2 you get a lot of value for your 60 bucks. In general, I don't like this 20% price increase, but in this particular case, I'm willing to put up with it.
As for splitting the game in 3, it's actually a great risk for Blizzard. If the players feel they're not getting enough from the single player Terran campaign, they'll not buy the sequels, because for multiplayer you only need one copy.
about 8 years ago I bought FF8 for PC for $110 NZ
new games in NZ have always been ~$100, even Garfield on mega drive,
$60US = $85NZ at the mo,
I see nothing wrong with this.
if anything, every year games are getting cheaper due to inflation from my PoV.
new games in NZ have always been ~$100, even Garfield on mega drive,
$60US = $85NZ at the mo,
I see nothing wrong with this.
if anything, every year games are getting cheaper due to inflation from my PoV.
What you said about mods and them protecting their IP also something to worry about, also the fact they they took the ability to play LAN games away(probably the mode I play more then the rest). The $60 was just the latest thing I have found about this game and sorts the straw the broke the camels back.The Madman said:
Some people just have never ending greed it seems.
As has been said, 11 million people playing WOW, many of them paying their £9/£15 a month, and Activision are whining that it's not 12 million or 15 million.
Reminds me of the Crysis piracy complaints, the reason you sold (numbers pulled from my ass as else I'd have to actually do research) 500,000 copies instead of 5 million, is because there was only about 500,000 PCs on the planet able to play it.
Once you've hit 11 million regular customers, you have to consider there's only so many people on the planet who own a PC, are interested in your game and have the time and will to play it.
I'd have to say tho, in terms of prices, I seem to remember Atari 2600 cartridges being around £40-50 when that came out, yes I'm talking about the legendary game, ET.
Games that had less pixels on screen than most games now have characters, and they cost the same or more, if you consider basic inflation.
As has been said, 11 million people playing WOW, many of them paying their £9/£15 a month, and Activision are whining that it's not 12 million or 15 million.
Reminds me of the Crysis piracy complaints, the reason you sold (numbers pulled from my ass as else I'd have to actually do research) 500,000 copies instead of 5 million, is because there was only about 500,000 PCs on the planet able to play it.
Once you've hit 11 million regular customers, you have to consider there's only so many people on the planet who own a PC, are interested in your game and have the time and will to play it.
I'd have to say tho, in terms of prices, I seem to remember Atari 2600 cartridges being around £40-50 when that came out, yes I'm talking about the legendary game, ET.
Games that had less pixels on screen than most games now have characters, and they cost the same or more, if you consider basic inflation.
When the economy went to shit, I expected game prices to go up. I remember when they were only $40.
Then again, I try to avoid buying a game until the GOTY edition or a boxed set including 2 expansion packs, a habit I started when I realized that all the games I bought seemed to do one or the other, & if not, I just wait until the price drops to $20 (about a year or 2). I wouldn't be so stingy if I was still employed...unless there were 3 games I wanted all in the same month. Hell, I don't think that's happened since 2001.
Then again, I try to avoid buying a game until the GOTY edition or a boxed set including 2 expansion packs, a habit I started when I realized that all the games I bought seemed to do one or the other, & if not, I just wait until the price drops to $20 (about a year or 2). I wouldn't be so stingy if I was still employed...unless there were 3 games I wanted all in the same month. Hell, I don't think that's happened since 2001.
Bobby Kotick is not a gamer. He doesnt care about gamers and what we think is right. So, in the long run, Bobby Kotick will ruin everything he touches, including good ole' Blizz