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Fluffythepoo

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Google targeted advertising brings me wonderful new brands of whiskey, great deals on computer components and gaming peripherals, the only real adds i dont care for are ones that are clearly not targeted at me.. but i dont usually get mad at the product i usually get mad at marketers for sucking.
I mean like life insurance for people 65+ and reverse mortgages on a tv show whos target demographic is 18-24? In what discussion did that ever come out as making sense?
 

Murais

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Cheesus Crust said:
I'd like to disagree on the part where you said companies don't invest in things that don't give them their money back, ideally that's what they do. It's like saying that everything that companies invest their money in definitely succeeds and gives them there money back all the time. Risk always exists and sometimes ads don't perform the way companies want them to. Sometimes companies just make bad decisions even if its related to advertising.

Porsche undoubtedly spend hundreds of thousands of dollars if not millions on advertising the Posche Carrera GT back in the 2000's. It stopped production I think two or three years because there weren't enough buyers. People were more aware of it than most super cars especially because it was featured in a lot of racing games and other materials. In the end they failed to earn anything from that project and stopped it because of the losses.

Or what about movies that get advertised as being one thing and end up being another which leads to the movie bombing at the box office? Hudson Hawk is a campy movie that stars Bruce Willis when he was making the transition to the Die Hard action hero he is well known for. Hudson Hawk was advertised as another Die Hard movie. The movie bombed at the box office having a budget of $65 million and only earning $17 million. I can't pin the ad as being the only reason but we can't deny that the box office results suffered partly because of the switcheroo.

But you are right in a sense that all people get affected by ads by simply being aware of what they are advertising. As far as I know all ads have to really do is increase awareness first and convince people to do something second. The very first razor I bought was the cheapest thing I could find and I've seen more than enough ads to know that Gillette takes their product way more seriously than most other brands since I was a kid, in fact its the only razor brand that I know (Yes I don't know the brand of the razor that I'm using but I don't really care since it works and it's cheap).
I agree that there are no absolutes in advertising and risk IS a big factor in new product and promotion decisions. I can't speak of the car specifically (not a car guy, you're lucky that I know it goes vroom-vroom and beep-beep), but part of the reason for pitching films different than their base storyline is to make broader appeal. In advertising, a generic hook is a hook that is more likely to fit the tastes of more folks and this is nowhere more true than Hollywood. Hudson Hawk might be an exception to the rule, but Hollywood advertises their films as generic action film or generic horror films because those types of films usually sell better than films that challenge the genre.

Hollywood assumes that you are stupid and don't like to be challenged. The interesting conundrum is that a great deal of filmmakers (at least when they start out) aim to be auteurs and create challenging material. Most wannabe auteurs are usually left behind in the film industry, but occasionally you get a studio exec who has run out of other scripts, or who owes someone a favor, or most commonly-- feels that they can appeal the film pitch to a mass audience. And indeed, this is where a bigger flaw in the industry becomes apparent; nobody reads a script beyond the first page until production begins.

That's why everything about a film (its promotion, its casting, even its initial greenlight) is based on that first hook. If the hook is good, made early, and captivating, the movie gets made. Sometimes a film suffers for this, certainly. But more often it doesn't. When an audience knows what to expect going in to your film, you're going to be making more bank than someone with an honest message. That's why the highest grossing film of all time is Avatar and not Citizen Kane, no matter how many times film enthusiasts claim it to be the best film ever made. The top grossing films of this year, (The Avengers, The Dark Knight Rises, The Hunger Games, The Amazing Spiderman, Twilight: Breaking Dawn Pt. 2, Skyfall, Brave, Ted, Madagascar 3, and The Lorax) regardless of critical acclaim or story elements, were all exactly what they were billed or advertised as. That's why, even if your film doesn't fit a genre convention or traditional story pattern, you *make* it fit in your advertising to try and grab some of that sweet cash.

Demographics and the products catered to them are usually self-fulfilling prophecies. Not always, but usually. Correlation does not equal causation, but that doesn't mean it still doesn't happen a lot.
 

Cheesus Crust

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Murais said:
Cheesus Crust said:
I'd like to disagree on the part where you said companies don't invest in things that don't give them their money back, ideally that's what they do. It's like saying that everything that companies invest their money in definitely succeeds and gives them there money back all the time. Risk always exists and sometimes ads don't perform the way companies want them to. Sometimes companies just make bad decisions even if its related to advertising.

Porsche undoubtedly spend hundreds of thousands of dollars if not millions on advertising the Posche Carrera GT back in the 2000's. It stopped production I think two or three years because there weren't enough buyers. People were more aware of it than most super cars especially because it was featured in a lot of racing games and other materials. In the end they failed to earn anything from that project and stopped it because of the losses.

Or what about movies that get advertised as being one thing and end up being another which leads to the movie bombing at the box office? Hudson Hawk is a campy movie that stars Bruce Willis when he was making the transition to the Die Hard action hero he is well known for. Hudson Hawk was advertised as another Die Hard movie. The movie bombed at the box office having a budget of $65 million and only earning $17 million. I can't pin the ad as being the only reason but we can't deny that the box office results suffered partly because of the switcheroo.

But you are right in a sense that all people get affected by ads by simply being aware of what they are advertising. As far as I know all ads have to really do is increase awareness first and convince people to do something second. The very first razor I bought was the cheapest thing I could find and I've seen more than enough ads to know that Gillette takes their product way more seriously than most other brands since I was a kid, in fact its the only razor brand that I know (Yes I don't know the brand of the razor that I'm using but I don't really care since it works and it's cheap).
I agree that there are no absolutes in advertising and risk IS a big factor in new product and promotion decisions. I can't speak of the car specifically (not a car guy, you're lucky that I know it goes vroom-vroom and beep-beep), but part of the reason for pitching films different than their base storyline is to make broader appeal. In advertising, a generic hook is a hook that is more likely to fit the tastes of more folks and this is nowhere more true than Hollywood. Hudson Hawk might be an exception to the rule, but Hollywood advertises their films as generic action film or generic horror films because those types of films usually sell better than films that challenge the genre.

Hollywood assumes that you are stupid and don't like to be challenged. The interesting conundrum is that a great deal of filmmakers (at least when they start out) aim to be auteurs and create challenging material. Most wannabe auteurs are usually left behind in the film industry, but occasionally you get a studio exec who has run out of other scripts, or who owes someone a favor, or most commonly-- feels that they can appeal the film pitch to a mass audience. And indeed, this is where a bigger flaw in the industry becomes apparent; nobody reads a script beyond the first page until production begins.

That's why everything about a film (its promotion, its casting, even its initial greenlight) is based on that first hook. If the hook is good, made early, and captivating, the movie gets made. Sometimes a film suffers for this, certainly. But more often it doesn't. When an audience knows what to expect going in to your film, you're going to be making more bank than someone with an honest message. That's why the highest grossing film of all time is Avatar and not Citizen Kane, no matter how many times film enthusiasts claim it to be the best film ever made. The top grossing films of this year, (The Avengers, The Dark Knight Rises, The Hunger Games, The Amazing Spiderman, Twilight: Breaking Dawn Pt. 2, Skyfall, Brave, Ted, Madagascar 3, and The Lorax) regardless of critical acclaim or story elements, were all exactly what they were billed or advertised as. That's why, even if your film doesn't fit a genre convention or traditional story pattern, you *make* it fit in your advertising to try and grab some of that sweet cash.

Demographics and the products catered to them are usually self-fulfilling prophecies. Not always, but usually. Correlation does not equal causation, but that doesn't mean it still doesn't happen a lot.
I like how you mention that certain films don't exactly fit into a particular genre and that they have to have trailers or ads catered to that. Because those are the trailers that I actually find intriguing. I'm not sure about you but I'm glad I no longer hear the trailers with the opening lines like "This summer... Insert stuff here" or "In a world... Insert other stuff here", although I love Don La Fontaine's voice!!! RIP Voice of God
 

Murais

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I also neglected to mention one other thing; foreign markets.

Most films, especially top grossing ones, make more of their money overseas. And not primarily in the English-speaking world. As such, the less dialogue to confuse someone experiencing a language barrier-- and the more spectacle to keep them enthralled-- the more money the movie will make.

That's why a movie like Battleship, which did atrociously in the domestic box office ($65 million of its $209 million dollar budget), it ended up breaking a little over even because it performed exceptionally well in the foreign market (making an additional $237 million gross) and ended up being considered a "success."

Hudson Hawk, however, did not have a foreign release.
 

Murais

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Cheesus Crust said:
I like how you mention that certain films don't exactly fit into a particular genre and that they have to have trailers or ads catered to that. Because that is what I actually find as actually intriguing. I'm not sure about you but I'm glad I no longer here the trailers with the opening lines like "This summer... Insert stuff here" or "In a world... Insert other stuff here", although I love Don La Fontaine's voice!!! RIP Voice of God
Yargh. I know that feel, bro. But it's the truth. See the post I made just prior to this one for a little more info.

I, too, like thought-provoking, genre-defying films, as well I'm sure many other folks here, but they just have the numbers to contend. That's why you'll see an abundance of them around Academy Awards season to be "Oscar Bait" (Oscar-winning films sell better!)but even then, the Academy only recognizes a small handful of genres and films overall. Again. Still advertising/marketing patterns driving industry decisions.
 

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The only ad that would "affect" me is if it is advertising a product that I already know and like, and informing me that X place has a good offer on it. It's not so much the ad convincing me to buy it, as me being informed that I can get it cheaper than normal.

That said, I generally despise advertisements. Especially the pretentious kind, like car adverts that do not actually say anything about the car itself, instead trying to do some artsy crap.
 

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The only time I ever would buy stuff (click on it) from the ads is if the ads were the website I go to like Amazon, Play or HMV etc.

Ads in general don't bother me like the ones on here and I can tolarate the video ads that played before the actual video started as long if it's a long video, I can skipped it.

The only ones I can stands are the ones you have to close (e.g. the recents ads on Dailymotion after you click on the search page) or the popup ones despite having a popup blocker (especially the ones that start of small when the page is loaded but suddently become big and dissapear but in fact is behind the main page).
 

smithy_2045

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Advertisements inform me of products I may be interested in that I wouldn't have otherwise known about. Most ads aren't relevant though, which is a problem.
 

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Platypus540 said:
The only ads that will convince me to buy something are Steam sale ads.
Pretty much beat me to it.

OP: Ad's are effective on everyone, and as stated before, even If you go out of your way to not buy the "needed necessity", you'll probably end up buying the alternative. I usually just go by my preference in some things. For Example I used to drink Coca cola, now it hurts my stomach like my stomach acid just burnt through, so now I drink Pepsi.
 

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Ads are a double-edged sword for me. I love the AllState Insurance Mayhem commercials, and I need car insurance, so why not, right?

But here, the Escapists ads talked me into, then out of buying Dishonored, and made me turn from indifferent about Far Cry 3 to absolutely I refuse to buy that game now.

Yes, I will submit to my chocolatey overlords Reese's or Peanut Butter M&Ms on damn near a weekly basis, but the ads don't make me want to buy them, they just remind me that I haven't had chocolate in two weeks, and why the fuck haven't I... OH DEAR GOD WHAT IS WRONG WITH ME? WHERE IS MY CHOCOLATEY GOODNESS!
 
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None of the answers to the poll really fit me. If it's some game I either knew about but had forgotten, or hadn't heard of but that looked cool, then an ad would make me interested in it. But mostly no, ads don't have much effect, and tend to just put me off stuff because of how annoying they usually are.
 

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I never watch/look at ads but i don't go out of my way to remove them. the only annoying ones are those that are video adverts that you can't mute, they usually force me away from the page or mute the sound on my pc completely.
 

Milanezi

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The way I see it:

- Sometimes you want something despite any ads. You'll buy it and either like it or not, but you weren't influenced. For instance, a brand new restaurant opens next to your house, you don't need an ad to go check it out, maybe you like the food, maybe you don't. But that's all YOU.

- Now here's the ad effect: this is a personal story. When I bought my X360 Halo 3 was still just a few trailers around the internet, all the ads were heavy, and very well done, I had never played a Halo game before, the advertising was amazing. I bought the game and... Well it was good, but nothing exceptional, as a matter of fact i didn't plan on buying anything Halo-related anymore. Fast forward: the trailer for ODST, amazing ads and I bought the game again. Halo ads tend to make me buy the game.
I believe that, if you get influenced by an ad, and ENJOY the product, you might not even realize the effect it had on you. However, when the product does not satisfy you, you usually realize you were made a jerk by an ad.
 

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Spade Lead said:
Ads are a double-edged sword for me. I love the AllState Insurance Mayhem commercials, and I need car insurance, so why not, right?

But here, the Escapists ads talked me into, then out of buying Dishonored, and made me turn from indifferent about Far Cry 3 to absolutely I refuse to buy that game now.

Yes, I will submit to my chocolatey overlords Reese's or Peanut Butter M&Ms on damn near a weekly basis, but the ads don't make me want to buy them, they just remind me that I haven't had chocolate in two weeks, and why the fuck haven't I... OH DEAR GOD WHAT IS WRONG WITH ME? WHERE IS MY CHOCOLATEY GOODNESS!
Lindt's Peanut Butter Lindors :D
 

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If I need to buy something anyway and I've seen an ad that made a decent "argument" for their particular brand, it can and has influenced my buying decision. There was one time when I was out of toothpaste and some new variety of Oral-B toothpaste had been advertised a lot recently in my area. I went to the store and bought that particular type of toothpaste, because of the ads. Well, if I need toothpaste anyway, might as well get the one that looked pretty good on dat TV (this was back when I watched TV :D). If it was like $2 more than everything else I wouldn't have bought it, but it was right around the price of all the stuff I usually buy.

Hunger Man dinner ads made me buy one of those once. Because I eat frozen dinners sometimes anyway, so thought I'd try one. Hungry Man is the some of the grossest crap I've ever had. But then again, what did I expect from cheap, frozen mexican food?

Ads kept the Nintendo 3DS XL on my mind. And I eventually bought one of those. I'm sure the ads reminding my brain of its existence probably contributed in a small way to helping that purchase happen.

Most people probably think they're immune to ads, but I'd wager they're not. I'm not immune to them. Highly resistant and I totally ignore many of them (especially non-video ads on the internet), but they can influence me, yes.
 

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aba1 said:
You do realize that advertising spans several fields all them requiring a college graduate level of studying to understand properly right?
Which is exactly why so many people get away with doing it when they have no idea.

Seeing as I specifically deal with marketing persons in my job every day I'm going to remain skeptical.
 

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From memory, the only time I've bought a product I had no knowledge of prior to seeing the ad has been becoming an Old Spice man. And it works dammit.

Other than that, I'll mostly just switch right off. An annoying ad will blacklist a product forever.
 

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theultimateend said:
aba1 said:
You do realize that advertising spans several fields all them requiring a college graduate level of studying to understand properly right?
Which is exactly why so many people get away with doing it when they have no idea.

Seeing as I specifically deal with marketing persons in my job every day I'm going to remain skeptical.
I AM a "marketing persons" and the reason morons who have no idea get work is because people hire them without bothering with credentials thinking they are getting some kind of a deal. The amount of times I have seen people think design costs are a rip off then hire some high school student or outsource and get terrible results and end up coming crawling back is insane. You get what you pay for if your going to be cheap the work you get done for you is going to be terrible.

This goes for any field if your going to hire someone with no credentials or proof of skills or anything your going to get bad results.