Poll: Aggression and Video Games

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Gethsemani_v1legacy

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What strikes me with all these threads about aggression and video games is that most people commenting simply don't understand what "aggression" really is. Since I wrote my bachelor's on aggression and violence, allow me to extrapolate:

Violence is the end result of aggression, it is what happens when we no longer wish or can control our aggression. Most aggression rarely result in violence though.
Aggression is not quite an emotion, but rather a catch-all term for emotions and vulnerabilities that makes us more prone to initiate (or join into) conflict and violence. Aggression is composed of aggressors, the things that increase our aggression level.

So, what is an aggressor? It can be a lot of things. The most basic aggressors are physical, things like being tired or fatigued, being hungry, being in pain or feeling other physical discomfort. Other aggressors can be our emotional state, anger, irritation and sadness are all aggressors. Yet more aggressors are learned, an aggressor for me is when people insult my job, for someone else it can be if someone doesn't shake their hand or when the car acts up in the morning etc., all the things that "ticks us off". Gaming falls under the types of aggressors that are "lived", recent experiences that impact how we feel and think about our surroundings. In the case of my bachelor's a common finding was that a potent aggressor was if patients had to sit in a waiting room at the ER for hours without staff regularly checking up on them or keeping them informed.

In essence, aggressors are many tiny things that all "prime" us for getting into conflict. This does not mean that a single aggressor will make us go on a violent rampage, nor that the number of aggressors needed to initiate conflict is the same for all people. It only means that if enough of these aggressors stack, we will eventually seek conflict. It is well known that performing a competitive sport is an aggressor, for example, but being forced to perform a task that's too hard for us is also one. So is it really hard to believe that gaming might also be one?

Let's take an example: You have had a shitty day at work, your manager chewed you out, customers yelled at you and your co-workers slacked off and forced you to do some of their stuff too. On the way home your car broke down and the tow guy was an asshole, the taxi didn't show up for 40 minutes and when you finally got home you realize that the steak you intended to bbq for dinner had spoiled, forcing you to eat some re-heated mac and cheese from three days ago. When you at least get a chance to unwind you decide to start up your favorite game, Civilization 5, to unwind with a new round. Just a turn before you are about to settle your second city in a sweet spot with both horses and iron and 3 luxury goods Ghandi swoops in and settles there instead however. Would anyone be surprised if you, at that point cursed the f#####g AI bonuses and how it cheapens the game?

That's how aggressors work. Had you not had a really shitty day, you could probably have dealt with Ghandi's expansion just fine, maybe even considering it a cool challenge. Most of the time, most of us can mitigate the aggressors present in games (frustration, failure etc.) but that doesn't mean they aren't there. They become really visible when other aggressors are already pushing us towards the breaking point though.

As a closing not, aggressors and aggression are not inherently bad. That something increases aggression does not make it dangerous or bad. Aggression is a natural reaction to stress and threats and properly dealing with aggression is a must in modern society. Better that you curse that freaking noob that keeps spawn camping you then that you go out and pick a fight at a bar, right?
 

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I definitely think video games cause an increased amount of aggression, especially competitive multiplayer ones. That said, many things in life cause an increased amount of aggression, yet they're not constantly pointed at as potential brain-washing tools.

The problem with studies on this, is that I've literally never seen a single study that compared aggressive behaviour when playing video games to aggressive behaviour when playing something like a football match, or even to kids playing together in the garden. If you've ever observed kids or even adults playing together like that, you'd know that there's usually a ton of aggression involved with that too. It's not logical to draw a conclusion which somehow assumes a screen between the players makes the effects worse.

Next to my workplace we have a small football (for you Americans, I mean soccer) field which is often claimed by kids from around. Every night at 20:00 we have to close the field, which is invariably followed by aggressive kids, screaming and yelling and cursing. Not unlike the videos you see when parents try to interrupt their kids who are just in the middle of a raid in WoW.

It's up to the kids to learn to channel that aggression and up to the parents to spend enough time with them to teach them how to do so.
 

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I guess I can only speak for myself, but I had to vote no. I deal with a lot of pointless corporate BS in my job. Sometimes after I get done I have to head to the batting cages, or a driving range to dent the crap out of the cart guy's cart, or just go into my garage to work over my heavy bag. In other words: I have to hit something... lots. My job and some of the people I have to deal with while doing my job without any doubt causes aggression. I often have a lot of aggression after work and have to concentrate to not let it ignite into road rage on the drive home. However; I get home and fire up a violent videogame and indulge in a "spree" of some kind of violence...

And after 15 or so minutes I'm content and getting sleepy. Kind of the opposite of aggression. More of a pacification. If there was a poll asking if videogames decreased aggression... I'd have to vote yes.
 

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Whenever you see a study that is about whether X causes Y it usually doesn't mean in 100% of cases. It means dose it increases the frequency of Y? Even if you don't match it that doesn't mean the study is automatically BS. On top of that very few people are going to answer yes to a question like do you have Y negative personality trait and was it caused by X.
For my personal opinion, do violent or competitive video games increase aggression? probably but so do a lot of things. I don't think it's bad enough to be a problem.
 

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It does quite the opposite for me... I find focussing my efforts on a game can relax me if I am already in a foul mood.

Saying that, however; I don't play online or against any live opponents. Exerience will show that you are unlikely to calm down when human error or imcompetance is brought into the equation effecting your own. At least if I mess up a game it is on me... I can hardly see my stress levels depleting when faces with foul-mouthed strangers, with irritating accents and a severe lack of decent vocabluary!
 

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After some serious mutilation in a game like doom I can feel pretty pumped. Pumped isn't aggression though.

Annoyance/Rage/bad mood can be induced by a variety of multiplayer games for me, but I'm not an aggressive person, and video games haven't changed that. The worst I'll do is be moody and snap at people. The next logical step from that must be a full on psychotic rampage, so I guess I better watch my step, rite?
 

Phasmal

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Perhaps.

Though I must say I kind of don't get why we collectively care so much.
Let scientists run studies on whatever they want, when we all get so pearl-clutchy and defensive about how WE'RE TOTALLY NOT AGRESSIVE EVER HOW VERY DARE YOU- it just makes us look insecure.

Personally, I think video games might make someone prone to aggression more aggressive.
Or at least, being bad at video games perhaps. It's frustrating when you can't get past something because of a lack of skill on your part.
So we should all hold our heads high and just git gud.
 

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Phasmal said:
WE'RE TOTALLY NOT AGRESSIVE EVER HOW VERY DARE YOU- it just makes us look insecure.
Yes, but I'm not sure that's untrue.

And I think it's particularly telling ho aggressive we get in making this point.

Did you ever read Calvin & Hobbes? There was a strip where Calvin said something to the effect of "TV doesn't cause violence. And I'd like to shoot whoever said that."

Every time one of these studies comes up, that's exactly what it looks like to me. It doesn't matter if the research is good, or even what the research actually says, people will try and shoot it down. Often for things the research doesn't say. Anyone who read that GameRant article from the first post without looking up what the APA said on the subject is misinformed, period.

The reality is there is some very solid evidence for a causal link between video games and aggression. This is not the end of the discussion, mind, but it pains me to see people voting against the consensus by roughly 3:1.
 

Something Amyss

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MHR said:
After some serious mutilation in a game like doom I can feel pretty pumped. Pumped isn't aggression though.
Actually, for these intents and purposes, it is. For more information, look at Gethsemani's post.

Aggression doesn't mean "FUCK YEAH! NOW I'M GONNA GO OUT AND KILL AND RAPE IN REAL LIFE!"

Well, I mean, it can. Those ar still aggressive acts. They're just not the sum total of aggression.
 

Phasmal

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Zachary Amaranth said:
Phasmal said:
WE'RE TOTALLY NOT AGRESSIVE EVER HOW VERY DARE YOU- it just makes us look insecure.
Yes, but I'm not sure that's untrue.

And I think it's particularly telling ho aggressive we get in making this point.

Did you ever read Calvin & Hobbes? There was a strip where Calvin said something to the effect of "TV doesn't cause violence. And I'd like to shoot whoever said that."

Every time one of these studies comes up, that's exactly what it looks like to me. It doesn't matter if the research is good, or even what the research actually says, people will try and shoot it down. Often for things the research doesn't say. Anyone who read that GameRant article from the first post without looking up what the APA said on the subject is misinformed, period.

The reality is there is some very solid evidence for a causal link between video games and aggression. This is not the end of the discussion, mind, but it pains me to see people voting against the consensus by roughly 3:1.
Absolutely, I agree. That's kinda what I was trying to say. Poorly, mind you.

I'll freely admit I don't really keep up with these studies except when we have articles about them which are always met with the usual hand-waving. I'd heard of studies finding a decent correlation but not much on causation- though I would not be surprised if there was proof of causal link, I'm just not one for keeping up with the studies because I'm not a scientist nor particularly invested in arguing the point either way.

I mean, as a group we really should think on why we react like this- so what if video games increase aggression? So do things like football, right? And no one's brought the banhammer down on that. It's not the end of the world if it's true.
 

Something Amyss

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Phasmal said:
Absolutely, I agree. That's kinda what I was trying to say. Poorly, mind you.
In fairness, not everyone can be as awesome as me.

I'll freely admit I don't really keep up with these studies except when we have articles about them which are always met with the usual hand-waving. I'd heard of studies finding a decent correlation but not much on causation- though I would not be surprised if there was proof of causal link, I'm just not one for keeping up with the studies because I'm not a scientist nor particularly invested in arguing the point either way.
Admittedly, I don't have a psychological background, but I do have enough of an academic background to filter through papers and the like when I care. Of course, the flip side, is I often don't care, and am just looking at these papers to address claims made by people I'm not sure actually read them. The histrionics from gamers gets my attention, so I'll check them out, and the findings are often radically different from what's reported by games "journalists" or complained about by gamers. My super power, basically, is the tool kit to actually research things before I talk about them.

The downside is that I don't have the time to look through the APA's report (note: I keep calling this a study, but I mean report. Any uncorrected use of study for the APA report is simply an oopsie) and all the source studies, and even if I did, I probably wouldn't. But looking at it from a bare bones perspective, it makes a solid link between aggression and video games. The report references studies which have controlled for other factors and find a marked increase in aggression with the sole commonality being video games. There's also been a body of prior work that at least covers temporary increases in aggressive behaviour which is pretty well-established.

The final thing I'd note is that the people behind the study are at least fairly prominent and respected. The value of academic papers is based upon what you can actually demonstrate and academia can be somewhat ruthless when it comes to bad papers, and that can kill a career fast. I'm inclined to believe these studies are legit because the people behind them would be torn to shreds if someone could simply demonstrate the flaws people are claiming. I suspect this is why those two hundred experts signed a letter rather than trying to publish in academia. Basically, they're trying to end-run peer review and the risks associated by appealing to social pressure.

Which works, because gamers are so reactionary. But at the same time, this is a cornerstone of young-Earth creationist apologetics.

I mean, as a group we really should think on why we react like this- so what if video games increase aggression? So do things like football, right? And no one's brought the banhammer down on that. It's not the end of the world if it's true.
Unfortunately, self-reflection doesn't seem to be much of an option. I'm still arguing with people who are trying to tell me that She Who Must Not Be Named is coming to take away their toys, despite three years of inaction and a lack of any foundation or evidence to demonstrate it. And I don't see that changing.

I've spent 30 years listening to rhetoric about how the liberals are going to take America's guns away any minute now. It started, at least as I can recall back under Ronald Reagan, who is responsible for some of California's strict gun laws--and he was a Republican--and has carried on up to Obama being a secret lizard man who's going to declare martial law, then personally go house-by-house removing guns. Now, I'm not here to debate gun controls, or whether liberals or conservatives are right, but the pervasiveness and effectiveness of this kind of scare tactic is incredibly obvious when you look at this.

Perpetual outrage is a useful manipulative tool, and one doesn't need to look too far to see it in action.
 

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Lightspeaker said:
Misericorde said:
I think competitive GAMES cause aggression. I don't think it really matters if it's chess, football, or a video game. It's a short term thing, and it seems harmless.
Competition leads to increased aggression and a desire and drive to win. Who'd have thought it? :)


In other words, I fully agree with this post. Its not "video games", its competition. I know I personally am pretty much totally relaxed when playing single-player, but if I play multiplayer nerves can fray a bit. Look at the average football match and how wound up people can get. Especially the Ultras which can result in people getting STABBED for supporting the opposing team [http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/tees/4808246.stm].

You don't get angry when playing single players? Really? You don't get angry when you play an old school platformer, or a souls game, or a Ys game, or Monster Hunter or whatever other hard games are out there? I call bullshit.
 

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Depends on your personality, I'v played games with my mate and he can get proper pissed off when things don't go his way while I'll just take it with a pinch of salt. I don't think games can give you that personality trait tho.
 

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Not everyone can deal with loss well, though my most fuming moments are when a good game suddenly has a bad moment. Not hard, just bullshit. Love turned to hate is powerful. I think games CAN cause aggression...just like most things can in the right person.
 

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Zachary Amaranth said:
Actually, the effects of violent media upon aggression is fairly well established from reliable sources on a scholastic level.
So here is my honest question for you: If games undeniably cause aggression, how can you support them, let alone play them? If violent media causes aggression isn't it by definition extremely detrimental to society and something that needs to be cast aside? I'm just trying to understand how one can say media has a negative effect without also condemning it.
 

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Short term aggression? Of course it does. Anyone who's ever shouted at their TV or monitor can attest to that.

In the long term though, I really doubt it. Actually, if I were to guess (and it really would be nothing more than a guess), I'd say that having a common and easy to access outlet for aggressive feelings probably decreases the compulsion to actually act on those feelings for real.
 

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Yes games can cause aggression. But so can work, relationships, driving, sports, religion and every other thing that causes anger, negative feeling and irritability in a person. Thing is gaming has rarely been linked to violence and its normally and secondary thing anyway. Where as people have beaten or killed over work, relationships, driving, sports and religion. Yet people only pick gaming as its an easy target.
 

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I guess it matters on the person themselves not the video game if somebody play a game and then afterwards is mad and wants to cause violence then its the person not the games. If you are so competitive that you just loose it during or after a game then its your fault. I just tired of hearing people on the news say he is aggressive and/or violent because of the games he plays and in my opinion I feel some of the tests might not be thorough enough because you have to look at the persons life and how they control aggression.