Poll: American sentiment

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fundayz

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Dislike the people and the system. Now, there are lots of great American people but ON AVERAGE their population is waaay too ignorant. This is reflected in their government as well; corruption is rampant and many of their leaders choose inappropriate (re)actions out of ignorance or selfishness.

America has been on a downward slope for almost a decade, and unless the people and government are willing to admit that their own actions are causing their(and others') problems this trend is likely to continue.


Edit: Almost forgot about their freaking self-entitlement
 

emeraldrafael

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The people are relatively good, but the system is flawed. We need a revamping on pretty much every level (or at least a refresher, I rather do like our three main governmental documents that allows the country to be alive, ina sense). But Americans are all right people, at least no worse then any other countries' individuals.
 

Korolev

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The american system is fine. The constitution, bill of rights and most of the voting system is just fine. I don't like the "first-past-the-post" style system, and I would prefer if the US adopted a preferences system like we have in Australia, but apart from that I've got no real problem with the American government, as it is supposed to theoretically operate.

What I have a problem with, and this goes for just about every single nation out there, is the people. I include myself in that group as well (so this is also self-criticism).

The US population could demand genuine bipartisanship. It could reward politicians for reaching across the aisle, for passionately pushing his or her principles, informing the general public as well as for making sensible legislation.

But no. That doesn't happen. If you reach across the aisle, you're a traitor. If you compromise, it means you're weak-willed. If you try to pass legislation that will hurt any group of people, even if it's unavoidable, they will complain.

But at the same time, if you TELL the people that you are doing what they want you to do, if you say the sound-bites and repeat the lines at the appropriate times, the vast majority of the American people will vote for you.

It's remarkable - you Americans have a wonderful system of government. The US government has to, by law, put forward all its policies for the people to scrutinize. You genuinely have the power to punish or reward officials for their behaviour. And you don't. You can't be bothered. It's too much EFFORT to drag yourself to the voting booth ONCE every FOUR YEARS (or once very two years if you count mid-terms). It's too much effort to actually do research on what your politicians are saying.

But its easy to demonize the opposition, so you do that. It's easy to make issues BLACK OR WHITE so you do that. It's easy to demand that politicians obey your every whim, even when it's impossible, because YOU don't have to make the policy. It's easy to demand, when you don't know, or don't CARE to know, the constraints your government works under.

The problem is with the People - loud, angry, ignorant, impatient, hyper-critical, and selfish. This isn't just Americans - this is the general population of every major nation.

But don't let this get you down - it's ALWAYS been like this. And despite it all, the US has thrived, and time and time again it's been your system that has saved you, you didn't save your system. I gather the majority of Americans, throughout your history, would eagerly elected a dictatorship if your laws allowed it. Thankfully, they don't. Your laws force you to be free and civil to each other, and you can thank your founding fathers for that. They made such a great system that even human nature has trouble destroying it.
 

emeraldrafael

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Neverhoodian said:
Voting would be a ***** though. you think its bad with two main parties trying to get ideas through, you should try it with all the British parties that run. Its amazing anyhting gets down in Parliament (American view looking at and talking with British friends.
 

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ciortas1 said:
And I have no clue whatsoever what that's supposed to mean. Let's suppose it's not a stab at my unsophisticated self.
Pardon me. Rather difficult to speak with all this English. Ahem. What I meant to say is that I fully support your response, argumentation and, perhaps, the slight anti-government sentiment you seem to have.

And that most, if not all, our politicians are terrible, terrible people.
 

Meanmoose

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To dislike or like the American people as a whole seems... well impossible. US politics is a fucking circus though. So much focus on individual people, instead of party politics. I guess that's what you get from having just two major political parties.
 

oppp7

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Wow, a thread about America that lets you decide how much to put it down or make it sound good. I guess I'll respond.

I live in here so I'll say...

Hate the SHIT out of the driving thing. Seriously, why can't we just have public transportation like everyone else so licenses aren't required? But that's all my personal problem because driving is becoming a near-phobia with me. I think I'll move to somewhere without driving, like... England?

Other systems that are awesome (in the ironic sense of the word): no health care, no regulation, and the wonderful government that can't even stick to its own policies. The military is also shit. I mean, I can understand wanting to get rid of Al Qaeda and Saddam, but WTF? Who the shit thought these tactics we're using was a good idea? This isn't how you fight guerrilla warfare.

Edit: The people are so varied I can't have an overarching opinion about them without qualifying for Doucheland.
 

Daveman

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Well, tbh I have no idea what you mean by "system". Do you mean their system of government, the hatred of any socialist ideals or what?

But I do like the people... I think.
 

Warforger

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Crazy_Dude said:
America is dipshit. The only reason they even came to help us in WWII was because a Nazi Submarine was stupid enough to attack one of their vessels. And they were pissed as hell about that.

But before that they didnt care at all. Sounds pretty egocentric to me.
Uhhh that was in WWI, but that was in 1915, Germany then stopped doing unrestricted U-Boat warfare which caused the sinking. In 1917 when Russia pulled out Germany was closing in on the Allies on the Western front, and they restarted unrestricted U-Boat warfare, US was pissed again but the tipping point came when Germany sent a telegram to Mexico to invade America, they thought that they could use U-Boat warfare to sink the ships carrying the troops and hold them off, but an American navy colonel invented the convoy system which negated the use of U-Boats, and so Britain intercepted the telegram and gave it to America, America then declared war on Germany.

That was just WWI, in WWII it's arguable that they should've pulled in in 1939 but they couldn't stomach another war because of their obligations in the Anglo-Soviet pact, but otherwise Hitler declared war on America, not what you said.

Hmph seems like YOU DON'T KNOW THAT MUCH ABOUT THE OUTSIDE WORLD HUH! GOSH YOU MUST BE SO STUCK IN YOUR NATIONALISTIC BUBBLE YOU CAN"T SEE SIMPLE FACTS!!!!
 

RatRace123

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I'm American and I like our people well enough.
You can't really judge a country's populace based on its percieved image, not all of us are the bible humping cowboys everyone seems to think we are. In fact I'd go so far as to say, the majority of us are decent, sensible people.

As for the system, I'm not a fan, it's based on an antiquated Us V Them Right/Left Red/Blue philosophy that needs to go away or it needs to be improved so that it doesn't devolve into scare tactics bashing the "other" side.

I'm not really posting to talk about the system though, I'm mainly here just trying to defend the image of the people.
I feel that this is a losing battle though.
 

natster43

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I like the system to an extent. Yes it does have problems, but nothing is perfect. As for people, I like most people, but there are some that I hate.
 

zehydra

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I'm American, and I don't mind my own people, but I utterly hate the political system.
 

FinalHeart95

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I can't possibly dislike every American. I am American as well, and I quite like myself.

And by "system" do you mean government/economic system? I'm rather neutral on both. Some things I love and some things I despise.
 

demoman_chaos

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Crazy_Dude said:
America is dipshit. The only reason they even came to help us in WWII was because a Nazi Submarine was stupid enough to attack one of their vessels. And they were pissed as hell about that.

But before that they didnt care at all. Sounds pretty egocentric to me.
That was WWI, we entered WWII because those zany Japs bombed our boats.
But while officially the US was not in WWI before the Lusitania sunk, US volunteers were in the fight. The Lusitania was purposely sent through German waters (the Germans even warned that any ship going into that area would be sunk) so it would be sunk and could be used as an excuse for the US to get involved.
In WWII, we did everything we could to get the Japs to fire first. We cut them off from supplies to anger them into attacking.
We don't like firing the first shot, usually, but we enjoying firing back.
 

CrazyCapnMorgan

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Daveman said:
Well, tbh I have no idea what you mean by "system". Do you mean their system of government, the hatred of any socialist ideals or what?

But I do like the people... I think.
System of government and what that implies, is what I meant. This encompasses all three branches - executive, judicial and legislative, what they have accomplsihed and its history.
 

the rye

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America seems pretty nice, except your media seems rather over the top and dramatic and i've heard some negative things about the US education system (though those could be wrong).
 

WorldCritic

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What's with all the Anti-American threads lately? Oh who cares? Anyway, I'm American and what can I say? I don't hate the system because I'm used to it, I hate a lot of the people, but I also don't hate a lot of the people. So what am I supposed to say?

There's no such thing as a perfect country and I guess it's a lot easier to hate the countries that you don't live in. I don't hate any country, but I don't love any of them either. Same goes to you America.
 

similar.squirrel

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The country was founded on an amazing Constitution, but it has gone somewhat awry. The jingoism is a massive problem, as it basically makes any change to aforementioned Constitution paramount to sacrilege.
That, and the free economy got out of hand. Theoretically, the idea that every man has the potential to earn a comfortable and dignified life is nice, but tends to lead to sinister corporatism in practice.

Actually, while we're on the subject, could someone explain how the Republican ideal of healthcare is in any way civilized? Especially in the context of Christianity, which the right-wing seems to espouse to such a scary degree?