Poll: An Attempt to Exonerate Hip Hop
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I'll respond to A with: If they can't be understood, it's because he/she is a bad rapper who doesn't know how to pronounce words properly.Mick Golden Blood said:
B and C: If that's all they write about, they have no abillity to write in depth about anything else, and he/she is a bad rapper.
So, he/she sucks, basically.
If you want to find good rap that doesn't all sound the same, you're going to have to dig a little. In the mainstream you have guys like Eminem and B.O.B. setting themselves apart, but you have to go underground to find the vast majority of it. Trust me, it's there.Aprilgold said:
oh lawd....you can't be seriously can you?
[quote/]I love music from the 50s, 60s till the late 80s. Not because I have any actual connection to those times but back then there weren't as many formula's to success to follow. All the rap I hear in the US where I live is the same, mainstream "Its ok to shoot ***** because ***** took my skull, also coke, she took my coke."[/quote]
ugggh,....youve got music elitism written all over you
[quote/]Having listened to several different pieces of rap music[/quote]
what were they?
[quote/]that would be considered mainstream, I can safely say that I will discredit the entire genre because when your genre's poster star is a black dude who's only real claim-to-fame was surviving nine bullets then you need better inspiration.[/quote]
well thats silly isnt it? alot of rock from way back when really dones nothing for me but I don;t say its all crap now do I?
[quote/]Overall, I find rap music to be all "***** took X from me so I shot her with Y and fuckity fuckity fucking dimwit *****." or the same sounding dribble.[/quote]
....yeah and 99% of the songs you probably like are about love/drugs or some such shit so I suppose were even?
no belive it or not, not all rap is about gangstas and hoes
wrongAprilgold said:
[quote/]I love music from the 50s, 60s till the late 80s. Not because I have any actual connection to those times but back then there weren't as many formula's to success to follow. All the rap I hear in the US where I live is the same, mainstream "Its ok to shoot ***** because ***** took my skull, also coke, she took my coke."[/quote]
ugggh,....youve got music elitism written all over you
[quote/]Having listened to several different pieces of rap music[/quote]
what were they?
[quote/]that would be considered mainstream, I can safely say that I will discredit the entire genre because when your genre's poster star is a black dude who's only real claim-to-fame was surviving nine bullets then you need better inspiration.[/quote]
well thats silly isnt it? alot of rock from way back when really dones nothing for me but I don;t say its all crap now do I?
[quote/]Overall, I find rap music to be all "***** took X from me so I shot her with Y and fuckity fuckity fucking dimwit *****." or the same sounding dribble.[/quote]
....yeah and 99% of the songs you probably like are about love/drugs or some such shit so I suppose were even?
no belive it or not, not all rap is about gangstas and hoes
Plus, her recent "Hip-Hop" has been... lackluster.Vault101 said:
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I know you hate Lil Kim, Nicki, but if it's a choice between Lil Kim and this, Kim wins.
Well, fair enough. At least we can agree that we like Nicki Minaj one way or another.Vault101 said:
Lots of quotes below, I'm sorry about it.
[quote/]Having listened to several different pieces of rap music[/quote]
what were they?
[quote/]that would be considered mainstream, I can safely say that I will discredit the entire genre because when your genre's poster star is a black dude who's only real claim-to-fame was surviving nine bullets then you need better inspiration.[/quote]
well thats silly isnt it? alot of rock from way back when really dones nothing for me but I don;t say its all crap now do I?
[quote/]Overall, I find rap music to be all "***** took X from me so I shot her with Y and fuckity fuckity fucking dimwit *****." or the same sounding dribble.[/quote]
....yeah and 99% of the songs you probably like are about love/drugs or some such shit so I suppose were even?
no belive it or not, not all rap is about gangstas and hoes[/quote]
To answer this whoely, I did not say that and admitted that I have only heard of mainstream rappers. But since I will spend time, I'll chat with your points, and explain my reasoning behind what I said.
1: All you say is 'wrong' as if your automatically right for just saying its 'wrong.' I agree with my father on this one. You can lock any musician excluding modern-day rappers and get something that sounds slightly different or slightly unique. Rap is so formulaic and whored out that it no longer, in my eyes considered original. Note this sentence : in my eyes I am not saying anyone else should or has to see it this way, but that is how I see that particular genre of music.
2: So you pull me as a elitist person. Once again, as above, such a thing as opinion, your is not always correct. I understand this, you fail to. I love and enjoy songs from the 50s to the late 80s of every genre. It is not that I expect everyone or think lower of anyone for not enjoying my type of music but its just what I enjoy. If you want to try and argue that I'm elitist for liking a particular type of music or time frame, then I will think less of you for judging based off of someone's music.
Exclusively, that entire post I was talking about only, Mainstream rappers and I did not leave that to the imagination. I say flat out the only rap I've heard in my life is people like 50 Cent and Little Wayne along with other, mainstream ones I can't remember.
3: Mainstream rap. People like 50 Cent or Little Wayne, there were undoubtedly others but I could swear that all of them were signing about how much they loved drugs or money and their uncontrollable hate for women.
4: Similar to point one and two, I do not think anyone has to be believe that my opinion is 100% truth. I don't think it is. Rock may do nothing for you, but it may do something for others. Like with your preference in partner, be it male, female or both. Some people won't find shagging a man as sexy as shagging a women while others will find shagging men more sexy. Its your preference, that doesn't mean your preference is 100% correct or that my statement meant EVERYONE had to find this time frame of music good.
5: I really hate how you are berating me on assumptions and not my actual post. You also miss the point where I say that I have only heard rap that would be considered mainstream, I never ever put the assumption that all rap was about black men killing other black men and raping women while snorting coke.
Vault 101, you usually have good insight but you've wasted both my time and yours for skimming through the post then going all white knight about a fucking opinion. I know I do this over different issues relating to sexuality but at least I understand the person's stance before trying to argue it.
Go back and re-read my post, I make it clear that this is only about main-stream rappers, not less known ones. This is not about the entire genre and I don't say that this is 100% fact. I feel more aggravated that I had to go through and illiterate what was already obvious but hopefully this cleared this up.
ugggh,....youve got music elitism written all over youVault101 said:
[quote/]Having listened to several different pieces of rap music[/quote]
what were they?
[quote/]that would be considered mainstream, I can safely say that I will discredit the entire genre because when your genre's poster star is a black dude who's only real claim-to-fame was surviving nine bullets then you need better inspiration.[/quote]
well thats silly isnt it? alot of rock from way back when really dones nothing for me but I don;t say its all crap now do I?
[quote/]Overall, I find rap music to be all "***** took X from me so I shot her with Y and fuckity fuckity fucking dimwit *****." or the same sounding dribble.[/quote]
....yeah and 99% of the songs you probably like are about love/drugs or some such shit so I suppose were even?
no belive it or not, not all rap is about gangstas and hoes[/quote]
To answer this whoely, I did not say that and admitted that I have only heard of mainstream rappers. But since I will spend time, I'll chat with your points, and explain my reasoning behind what I said.
1: All you say is 'wrong' as if your automatically right for just saying its 'wrong.' I agree with my father on this one. You can lock any musician excluding modern-day rappers and get something that sounds slightly different or slightly unique. Rap is so formulaic and whored out that it no longer, in my eyes considered original. Note this sentence : in my eyes I am not saying anyone else should or has to see it this way, but that is how I see that particular genre of music.
2: So you pull me as a elitist person. Once again, as above, such a thing as opinion, your is not always correct. I understand this, you fail to. I love and enjoy songs from the 50s to the late 80s of every genre. It is not that I expect everyone or think lower of anyone for not enjoying my type of music but its just what I enjoy. If you want to try and argue that I'm elitist for liking a particular type of music or time frame, then I will think less of you for judging based off of someone's music.
Exclusively, that entire post I was talking about only, Mainstream rappers and I did not leave that to the imagination. I say flat out the only rap I've heard in my life is people like 50 Cent and Little Wayne along with other, mainstream ones I can't remember.
3: Mainstream rap. People like 50 Cent or Little Wayne, there were undoubtedly others but I could swear that all of them were signing about how much they loved drugs or money and their uncontrollable hate for women.
4: Similar to point one and two, I do not think anyone has to be believe that my opinion is 100% truth. I don't think it is. Rock may do nothing for you, but it may do something for others. Like with your preference in partner, be it male, female or both. Some people won't find shagging a man as sexy as shagging a women while others will find shagging men more sexy. Its your preference, that doesn't mean your preference is 100% correct or that my statement meant EVERYONE had to find this time frame of music good.
5: I really hate how you are berating me on assumptions and not my actual post. You also miss the point where I say that I have only heard rap that would be considered mainstream, I never ever put the assumption that all rap was about black men killing other black men and raping women while snorting coke.
Vault 101, you usually have good insight but you've wasted both my time and yours for skimming through the post then going all white knight about a fucking opinion. I know I do this over different issues relating to sexuality but at least I understand the person's stance before trying to argue it.
Go back and re-read my post, I make it clear that this is only about main-stream rappers, not less known ones. This is not about the entire genre and I don't say that this is 100% fact. I feel more aggravated that I had to go through and illiterate what was already obvious but hopefully this cleared this up.
I am aware mate but I have no interest to dig deeper. It just isn't my music and thank you for not berating me on my opinion that it isn't my thing.TheMightyAtrox said:
Oh, I just meant as far as hip hop and rap are concerned. Hip hop has been so bastardized over the last decade that people are starting to post about N. Minaj in this thread. When it comes to rock and roll, I love the stuff on the radio, plus some extra.Logiclul said:
I don't hate most hip hop and/or rap, the problem is that I feel almost exclusively apathetic towards it which when combined with the fact that you get bombarded with it every time you listen to the radio or go to the gym it starts to err on the side of annoying.
The one and only song in the hip-hop genre I like is Power and not because it's good, but because Giant Bomb used it really well.
The problem is that everyone has that attitude, at least to some degree, when it comes to styles of music they just don't like listening to. There are countless stereotypes of metal as being nothing more than people bashing away at instruments while a dude pukes into a mic. Country singers are always singing about their girl leaving, getting drunk, or having a hoe-down. Jazz is just a bunch of guys making up rambling bits as they go. It goes on and on.Vault101 said:
And what's wrong with writing off a genre that they simply don't like? I have zero interest in dubstep, and yet I understand that a lot of people appreciate the style, so I don't necessarily feel like it's all crap.
YES, I WAS JUST ABOUT TO POST THIS BAND.Yosharian said:
OT: I used to be one of those fucktards who listened to shit like Disturbed thinking shit like that was objectively the best music ever and that hip hop was undeniably awful. Thank fuck I grew out of that mindset. My music taste has expanded a lot since then, and the mainstream versions of most genres are pretty bad anyway.
I never dismiss an entire genre of anything, I take each item as I see it. That's pretty much the same thing I said in the dubstep thread. Here's another thing I said that is applicable here: This is a genre in which there is generally more s*** than in other genres. However, there are always going to be good ones, they exist whatever genre you're looking at.
That said...am I the only one sick of the hard gangsta w/ bitches and money angle? It's like all the hopeless ones go for this as their staple and nothing else, whereas the really good ones (like Eminem, if I have to give an example) have that on the side but actually make a point from time to time.
That said...am I the only one sick of the hard gangsta w/ bitches and money angle? It's like all the hopeless ones go for this as their staple and nothing else, whereas the really good ones (like Eminem, if I have to give an example) have that on the side but actually make a point from time to time.
Why? Have you never seen a white jazz/blues player that was good? Why the fuck would your skin colour/place of birth have anything to do with the music you're capable of playing?thaluikhain said:
Rap/hip-hop didn't come out of people being black or people being American. It came out of people being fucked by the government and/or society. Which plenty of other people than black Americans are, so a lot of rap/hip-hop is still very much true to the 'culture'.
But it really doesn't matter. As long as the music's good, it's good. Why should anything else matter?
Here's a list of rappers You'll want to listen to if you only think rap is about material shit.
Hopsin, Dizzy Wright, The Jokerr, Cryptic wisdom, Tech n9ne, Krizz Kaliko, Eminem, G-Eazy, Lo Key. And many others
You just have to look to the underground if you want real rap music.
And the shit on the radio by like Wiz Khalifa, Young money, and Waka is shit, its not real rap, its radio music.
Hopsin, Dizzy Wright, The Jokerr, Cryptic wisdom, Tech n9ne, Krizz Kaliko, Eminem, G-Eazy, Lo Key. And many others
You just have to look to the underground if you want real rap music.
And the shit on the radio by like Wiz Khalifa, Young money, and Waka is shit, its not real rap, its radio music.
Lol come on. This is just wrong, I can barely argue against it cos it's just, wrong. Of course hip hop musicians have different sounds.Aprilgold said:
I don't get this. Of course mainstream parts of a genre are more generic and arguably worse than the more underground parts, because they've been watered down to appeal to a wider audience. It's not isolated to hip hop, but you specifically pick on this genre and despite having no desire to look for better counterparts, you still want the right to criticise all hip hop. Then you hide behind the thin veil of "only judging mainstream hip hop", which is bullshit based on what you've just posted.Aprilgold said:
Oh and, one last thing.
Yeah umAprilgold said:
yeah
