Poll: An Attempt to Exonerate Hip Hop

[Vrach]

I misread this as "eradicate hip-hop".

Anyway, I find it embarassing that it's popular locally, despite generally being so US-centric. Always seems as if people are syaing "Look at me, I'm such a black American, except for not being black or American", which is rather odd.

Now local stuff, fair enough (not going to listen to it though), or US stuff in the US...otherwise...um...

you don't have to be American to enjoy rap/hip-hop...I'm about as far from that "culture" as you could possibly get (white, female, middle class,Australian)

That's fair enough, but I meant people playing at being part of that culture.

Why? Have you never seen a white jazz/blues player that was good? Why the fuck would your skin colour/place of birth have anything to do with the music you're capable of playing?

Rap/hip-hop didn't come out of people being black or people being American. It came out of people being fucked by the government and/or society. Which plenty of other people than black Americans are, so a lot of rap/hip-hop is still very much true to the 'culture'.

But it really doesn't matter. As long as the music's good, it's good. Why should anything else matter?

Again, I specifically meant people playing at being part of another culture.

Ah my apologies, I misread your sentence. Sorry, been at a music festival last night, brain's not recovered yet, still feeling like a zombie

 

[Aprilgold]

ONCE AGAIN, WALL OF TEXT BELOW!

Spoiler

My father had a great point when it comes to general quality and rap. You lock a musician of any other genre in somewhere with their instrument and you will get something that is different from the rest, if only slightly. You lock a rapper in a room and you'll get the same mainstream message that they all give.
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1: All you say is 'wrong' as if your automatically right for just saying its 'wrong.' I agree with my father on this one. You can lock any musician excluding modern-day rappers and get something that sounds slightly different or slightly unique. Rap is so formulaic and whored out that it no longer, in my eyes considered original. Note this sentence : in my eyes I am not saying anyone else should or has to see it this way, but that is how I see that particular genre of music.

Lol come on. This is just wrong, I can barely argue against it cos it's just, wrong. Of course hip hop musicians have different sounds.

All the rap I hear in the US where I live is the same, mainstream "Its ok to shoot ***** because ***** took my skull, also coke, she took my coke."
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Having listened to several different pieces of rap music that would be considered mainstream, I can safely say that I will discredit the entire genre because when your genre's poster star is a black dude who's only real claim-to-fame was surviving nine bullets then you need better inspiration.
...
Overall, I find rap music to be all "***** took X from me so I shot her with Y and fuckity fuckity fucking dimwit *****." or the same sounding dribble.
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Exclusively, that entire post I was talking about only, Mainstream rappers and I did not leave that to the imagination. I say flat out the only rap I've heard in my life is people like 50 Cent and Little Wayne along with other, mainstream ones I can't remember.
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3: Mainstream rap. People like 50 Cent or Little Wayne, there were undoubtedly others but I could swear that all of them were signing about how much they loved drugs or money and their uncontrollable hate for women.

I don't get this. Of course mainstream parts of a genre are more generic and arguably worse than the more underground parts, because they've been watered down to appeal to a wider audience. It's not isolated to hip hop, but you specifically pick on this genre and despite having no desire to look for better counterparts, you still want the right to criticise all hip hop. Then you hide behind the thin veil of "only judging mainstream hip hop", which is bullshit based on what you've just posted.

Oh and, one last thing.

You also miss the point where I say that I have only heard rap that would be considered mainstream, I never ever put the assumption that all rap was about black men killing other black men and raping women while snorting coke.

Yeah um

Overall, I find rap music to be all "***** took X from me so I shot her with Y and fuckity fuckity fucking dimwit *****." or the same sounding dribble.

yeah

*sighs* Its vault 101 again except for its a completely different user, same damn thing I told him. Your trying to argue a opinion, as much as I like to say that I can change people's belief in god, I can not. I doubt you can either.

But to do this again, your points in order.

1. Similar to vault 101 saying that I'm just incorrect doesn't suddenly make you factually correct. You lock a gutarist in a room with his mind and his instrument, he has more options to do something neat then a rapper, a rapper is locked into the language he is using and locked into words that rhyme, excluding many. A rapper, by default will sound more samey because only so many sentences can be made with words that naturally rhyme toghether.

2. What is there to understand? And, once again, like I have said twice all fucking ready, I have only heard more mainstream hiphop and I never led you to the accusation that it was good. First impressions are everything, when your first impression is a black man swearing into a mic and being sexist while threatening violence onto other people, of course I wouldn't want to dig right in. If you first met god and what he did was sack you in the face and verbally assault you while kicking you in the nuts I'm sure you would not get into the buisness of worshiping him.

3. Can you prove me wrong? I have the section copy pasted, ready to go that I say exactly this.

4. I'm guessing sarcastic yes as in you didn't read my original post but the version I had to explain to Vault 101.

In conclusion, I never gave the impression that I heard anything but mainstream rap and as such of course I am not saying that all of rap is like that. I am simply saying that it left a very bad impression on me and I would not, otherwise want to dig into it. Similair to what I said before, if a man came over, shot your pet in the fact, shoved it at you and then lit you both on fire you would not think this man is nice, similarily I don't want to dig into rap to find the good stuff when the first impression is a black man being a sexist asshole and talking about killing, raping or taking drugs from other men / women.

Now could you damn people stop replying to me because your suddenly not going to change my opinion on rap.

Here's a list of rappers You'll want to listen to if you only think rap is about material shit.

Hopsin, Dizzy Wright, The Jokerr, Cryptic wisdom, Tech n9ne, Krizz Kaliko, Eminem, G-Eazy, Lo Key. And many others

You just have to look to the underground if you want real rap music.

And the shit on the radio by like Wiz Khalifa, Young money, and Waka is shit, its not real rap, its radio music.

To say this, first impressions are everything, if your first impressions are bad you will likely think badly of what that impression was. Suggesting that someone, after hearing mainstream rap should dig deeper is like suggesting that someone who someone get shot should look deeper into the bullet hole and bleeding so they can wonder as to what was in his skull before hand.

 

[Kungfu_Teddybear]

What about Lindsey Stirling, the hip-hop violinist.

 

[Logiclul]

WHOOPS I wrote a post on rap and not Hip-hop. Hip-Hop isn't amazingly great, but its certainly better then it's rap son down below.

Spoiler

My father had a great point when it comes to general quality and rap. You lock a musician of any other genre in somewhere with their instrument and you will get something that is different from the rest, if only slightly. You lock a rapper in a room and you'll get the same mainstream message that they all give.

I love music from the 50s, 60s till the late 80s. Not because I have any actual connection to those times but back then there weren't as many formula's to success to follow. All the rap I hear in the US where I live is the same, mainstream "Its ok to shoot ***** because ***** took my skull, also coke, she took my coke."

Having listened to several different pieces of rap music that would be considered mainstream, I can safely say that I will discredit the entire genre because when your genre's poster star is a black dude who's only real claim-to-fame was surviving nine bullets then you need better inspiration.

Overall, I find rap music to be all "***** took X from me so I shot her with Y and fuckity fuckity fucking dimwit *****." or the same sounding dribble.

Hey how about you LISTEN to the music in the OP because none of it is about drugs or bitches and all of it is contains clever rhyming which isn't even prevalent in most rock.

The FORMULA for rap (RAP IS HIP HOP HIP HOP ISN'T A MUSIC GENRE IT'S A CULTURE - RAP IS HIP HOP MUSIC) isn't any less complicated than any other genre. There isn't really a formula at all actually but if you're going to pretend (intro, chorus, verse, verse, chorus, verse, exit) is a boring formula than you're going to have to hate on every single genre.

This captcha is bullshit! I have to say what company made this quote? I've never heard of this before - must suck for EU people.

 

[Aprilgold]

WHOOPS I wrote a post on rap and not Hip-hop. Hip-Hop isn't amazingly great, but its certainly better then it's rap son down below.

Spoiler

My father had a great point when it comes to general quality and rap. You lock a musician of any other genre in somewhere with their instrument and you will get something that is different from the rest, if only slightly. You lock a rapper in a room and you'll get the same mainstream message that they all give.

I love music from the 50s, 60s till the late 80s. Not because I have any actual connection to those times but back then there weren't as many formula's to success to follow. All the rap I hear in the US where I live is the same, mainstream "Its ok to shoot ***** because ***** took my skull, also coke, she took my coke."

Having listened to several different pieces of rap music that would be considered mainstream, I can safely say that I will discredit the entire genre because when your genre's poster star is a black dude who's only real claim-to-fame was surviving nine bullets then you need better inspiration.

Overall, I find rap music to be all "***** took X from me so I shot her with Y and fuckity fuckity fucking dimwit *****." or the same sounding dribble.

Hey how about you LISTEN to the music in the OP because none of it is about drugs or bitches and all of it is contains clever rhyming which isn't even prevalent in most rock.

The FORMULA for rap (RAP IS HIP HOP HIP HOP ISN'T A MUSIC GENRE IT'S A CULTURE - RAP IS HIP HOP MUSIC) isn't any less complicated than any other genre. There isn't really a formula at all actually but if you're going to pretend (intro, chorus, verse, verse, chorus, verse, exit) is a boring formula than you're going to have to hate on every single genre.

This captcha is bullshit! I have to say what company made this quote? I've never heard of this before - must suck for EU people.

Wow I had to explain this three times, I'm counting, lets see if we can hit 10 people who do not understand they can not change opinions.

As I've said before, I don't want to dig deeper because when your posterboy is a borderline racist, sexist, druggy and / or loves killing or guns, I don't want to get involved with that genre.

And yes, Hip-Hop is its own subgenre. I've seen people credit as such, rap is not something I would associate with hip-hop.

 

[Logiclul]

And yes, Hip-Hop is its own subgenre. I've seen people credit as such, rap is not something I would associate with hip-hop.

Then I'm afraid that I must inform you that you are either a troll or are pitifully wrong.

How to judge a song in 5 seconds:

Skip to 1/4 way through.
Skip to 1/2 way through.
Skip to 3/4 way through.

If it all sounds the same, I won't like it. That's what hip-hop is to me, and it held true for every single song on that OP. I'm not trying to be elitist here - I'm just trying to provide a perspective on what this genre of music sounds like to someone who isn't interested in lyrics.

That's super close minded, but whatever go be elitist in the closet.

If you haven't listened to the songs in the OP then that means that you WANT to hate hip hop (Which is the same thing as rap) music.

 

[Aprilgold]

And yes, Hip-Hop is its own subgenre. I've seen people credit as such, rap is not something I would associate with hip-hop.

Then I'm afraid that I must inform you that you are either a troll or are pitifully wrong.

How to judge a song in 5 seconds:

Skip to 1/4 way through.
Skip to 1/2 way through.
Skip to 3/4 way through.

If it all sounds the same, I won't like it. That's what hip-hop is to me, and it held true for every single song on that OP. I'm not trying to be elitist here - I'm just trying to provide a perspective on what this genre of music sounds like to someone who isn't interested in lyrics.

That's super close minded, but whatever go be elitist in the closet.

If you haven't listened to the songs in the OP then that means that you WANT to hate hip hop (Which is the same thing as rap) music.

Isn't it against forum rules to call someone a troll? I know because I actually met a troll on here and got a warning for pointing it out.

Anyways, 4th time someone disagreed with me and the 2nd time people have called me bad names over the fact that I disagree with their type of music. Escapist keeps getting more shallow every single reply.

Also, why are you calling me a troll with no foundation to do so. People have told me that Hip-Hop was its own type of music, and at one time it was. How about YOU sir go fuck off so that I can stop telling people every two damn seconds what is already IN MY DAMN POST!

I'm sorry, but this is the 4th time I had to come back to this same, damn thread to have someone berate me for disagreeing with their opinion of what makes quality music, and I'm fed up with it.

 

[VladG]

After many years of listening to hip-hop I've found such threads/discussions quite pointless. People are either closed minded fools who won't be convinced, or simply don't care.

I enjoy my music. I'm confident enough not to need validation from other people.

So my approach to this is, if you're interested in starting a conversation about it, and want to learn more about it, I'm happy to share. Otherwise I won't initiate and won't shove my music down your throat, and expect you to do the same. Your personal opinion on the matter is 100% irrelevant to me.

 

[AnarchistFish]

ONCE AGAIN, WALL OF TEXT BELOW!

Spoiler

My father had a great point when it comes to general quality and rap. You lock a musician of any other genre in somewhere with their instrument and you will get something that is different from the rest, if only slightly. You lock a rapper in a room and you'll get the same mainstream message that they all give.
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1: All you say is 'wrong' as if your automatically right for just saying its 'wrong.' I agree with my father on this one. You can lock any musician excluding modern-day rappers and get something that sounds slightly different or slightly unique. Rap is so formulaic and whored out that it no longer, in my eyes considered original. Note this sentence : in my eyes I am not saying anyone else should or has to see it this way, but that is how I see that particular genre of music.

Lol come on. This is just wrong, I can barely argue against it cos it's just, wrong. Of course hip hop musicians have different sounds.

All the rap I hear in the US where I live is the same, mainstream "Its ok to shoot ***** because ***** took my skull, also coke, she took my coke."
...
Having listened to several different pieces of rap music that would be considered mainstream, I can safely say that I will discredit the entire genre because when your genre's poster star is a black dude who's only real claim-to-fame was surviving nine bullets then you need better inspiration.
...
Overall, I find rap music to be all "***** took X from me so I shot her with Y and fuckity fuckity fucking dimwit *****." or the same sounding dribble.
...
Exclusively, that entire post I was talking about only, Mainstream rappers and I did not leave that to the imagination. I say flat out the only rap I've heard in my life is people like 50 Cent and Little Wayne along with other, mainstream ones I can't remember.
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3: Mainstream rap. People like 50 Cent or Little Wayne, there were undoubtedly others but I could swear that all of them were signing about how much they loved drugs or money and their uncontrollable hate for women.

I don't get this. Of course mainstream parts of a genre are more generic and arguably worse than the more underground parts, because they've been watered down to appeal to a wider audience. It's not isolated to hip hop, but you specifically pick on this genre and despite having no desire to look for better counterparts, you still want the right to criticise all hip hop. Then you hide behind the thin veil of "only judging mainstream hip hop", which is bullshit based on what you've just posted.

Oh and, one last thing.

You also miss the point where I say that I have only heard rap that would be considered mainstream, I never ever put the assumption that all rap was about black men killing other black men and raping women while snorting coke.

Yeah um

Overall, I find rap music to be all "***** took X from me so I shot her with Y and fuckity fuckity fucking dimwit *****." or the same sounding dribble.

yeah

*sighs* Its vault 101 again except for its a completely different user, same damn thing I told him. Your trying to argue a opinion, as much as I like to say that I can change people's belief in god, I can not. I doubt you can either.

But to do this again, your points in order.

1. Similar to vault 101 saying that I'm just incorrect doesn't suddenly make you factually correct. You lock a gutarist in a room with his mind and his instrument, he has more options to do something neat then a rapper, a rapper is locked into the language he is using and locked into words that rhyme, excluding many. A rapper, by default will sound more samey because only so many sentences can be made with words that naturally rhyme toghether.

2. What is there to understand? And, once again, like I have said twice all fucking ready, I have only heard more mainstream hiphop and I never led you to the accusation that it was good. First impressions are everything, when your first impression is a black man swearing into a mic and being sexist while threatening violence onto other people, of course I wouldn't want to dig right in. If you first met god and what he did was sack you in the face and verbally assault you while kicking you in the nuts I'm sure you would not get into the buisness of worshiping him.

3. Can you prove me wrong? I have the section copy pasted, ready to go that I say exactly this.

4. I'm guessing sarcastic yes as in you didn't read my original post but the version I had to explain to Vault 101.

In conclusion, I never gave the impression that I heard anything but mainstream rap and as such of course I am not saying that all of rap is like that. I am simply saying that it left a very bad impression on me and I would not, otherwise want to dig into it. Similair to what I said before, if a man came over, shot your pet in the fact, shoved it at you and then lit you both on fire you would not think this man is nice, similarily I don't want to dig into rap to find the good stuff when the first impression is a black man being a sexist asshole and talking about killing, raping or taking drugs from other men / women.

Now could you damn people stop replying to me because your suddenly not going to change my opinion on rap.

Here's a list of rappers You'll want to listen to if you only think rap is about material shit.

Hopsin, Dizzy Wright, The Jokerr, Cryptic wisdom, Tech n9ne, Krizz Kaliko, Eminem, G-Eazy, Lo Key. And many others

You just have to look to the underground if you want real rap music.

And the shit on the radio by like Wiz Khalifa, Young money, and Waka is shit, its not real rap, its radio music.

To say this, first impressions are everything, if your first impressions are bad you will likely think badly of what that impression was. Suggesting that someone, after hearing mainstream rap should dig deeper is like suggesting that someone who someone get shot should look deeper into the bullet hole and bleeding so they can wonder as to what was in his skull before hand.

And yes, Hip-Hop is its own subgenre. I've seen people credit as such, rap is not something I would associate with hip-hop.

Then I'm afraid that I must inform you that you are either a troll or are pitifully wrong.

How to judge a song in 5 seconds:

Skip to 1/4 way through.
Skip to 1/2 way through.
Skip to 3/4 way through.

If it all sounds the same, I won't like it. That's what hip-hop is to me, and it held true for every single song on that OP. I'm not trying to be elitist here - I'm just trying to provide a perspective on what this genre of music sounds like to someone who isn't interested in lyrics.

That's super close minded, but whatever go be elitist in the closet.

If you haven't listened to the songs in the OP then that means that you WANT to hate hip hop (Which is the same thing as rap) music.

Isn't it against forum rules to call someone a troll? I know because I actually met a troll on here and got a warning for pointing it out.

Anyways, 4th time someone disagreed with me and the 2nd time people have called me bad names over the fact that I disagree with their type of music. Escapist keeps getting more shallow every single reply.

Also, why are you calling me a troll with no foundation to do so. People have told me that Hip-Hop was its own type of music, and at one time it was. How about YOU sir go fuck off so that I can stop telling people every two damn seconds what is already IN MY DAMN POST!

I'm sorry, but this is the 4th time I had to come back to this same, damn thread to have someone berate me for disagreeing with their opinion of what makes quality music, and I'm fed up with it.

I've got it. You claim it's just your opinion. Well your opinion is stupid. Just cos it's your "opinion", that doesn't make it infallible. It's stupid to judge an entire genre based off a few small examples which are completely unrelated to the rest, no matter how you twist it or use excuses like it being an "opinion". It's stupid to then refuse to hear these other examples to counteract your opinion but still expect people to listen to your "opinion" and not argue it.

Similar to vault 101 saying that I'm just incorrect doesn't suddenly make you factually correct. You lock a gutarist in a room with his mind and his instrument, he has more options to do something neat then a rapper, a rapper is locked into the language he is using and locked into words that rhyme, excluding many. A rapper, by default will sound more samey because only so many sentences can be made with words that naturally rhyme toghether.

I still don't get this. Hip hop producers have many means at their disposal. Rappers have different voices, different ways of creating words and rhythm and they don't need to rhyme even if a lot do and you make it out to be a lot harder to rhyme than it is. The production varies greatly, it's just like any other kind of music. A lot of rock music sounds very similar anyway.

 

[Aprilgold]

ONCE AGAIN, WALL OF TEXT BELOW!

Spoiler

My father had a great point when it comes to general quality and rap. You lock a musician of any other genre in somewhere with their instrument and you will get something that is different from the rest, if only slightly. You lock a rapper in a room and you'll get the same mainstream message that they all give.
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1: All you say is 'wrong' as if your automatically right for just saying its 'wrong.' I agree with my father on this one. You can lock any musician excluding modern-day rappers and get something that sounds slightly different or slightly unique. Rap is so formulaic and whored out that it no longer, in my eyes considered original. Note this sentence : in my eyes I am not saying anyone else should or has to see it this way, but that is how I see that particular genre of music.

Lol come on. This is just wrong, I can barely argue against it cos it's just, wrong. Of course hip hop musicians have different sounds.

All the rap I hear in the US where I live is the same, mainstream "Its ok to shoot ***** because ***** took my skull, also coke, she took my coke."
...
Having listened to several different pieces of rap music that would be considered mainstream, I can safely say that I will discredit the entire genre because when your genre's poster star is a black dude who's only real claim-to-fame was surviving nine bullets then you need better inspiration.
...
Overall, I find rap music to be all "***** took X from me so I shot her with Y and fuckity fuckity fucking dimwit *****." or the same sounding dribble.
...
Exclusively, that entire post I was talking about only, Mainstream rappers and I did not leave that to the imagination. I say flat out the only rap I've heard in my life is people like 50 Cent and Little Wayne along with other, mainstream ones I can't remember.
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3: Mainstream rap. People like 50 Cent or Little Wayne, there were undoubtedly others but I could swear that all of them were signing about how much they loved drugs or money and their uncontrollable hate for women.

I don't get this. Of course mainstream parts of a genre are more generic and arguably worse than the more underground parts, because they've been watered down to appeal to a wider audience. It's not isolated to hip hop, but you specifically pick on this genre and despite having no desire to look for better counterparts, you still want the right to criticise all hip hop. Then you hide behind the thin veil of "only judging mainstream hip hop", which is bullshit based on what you've just posted.

Oh and, one last thing.

You also miss the point where I say that I have only heard rap that would be considered mainstream, I never ever put the assumption that all rap was about black men killing other black men and raping women while snorting coke.

Yeah um

Overall, I find rap music to be all "***** took X from me so I shot her with Y and fuckity fuckity fucking dimwit *****." or the same sounding dribble.

yeah

*sighs* Its vault 101 again except for its a completely different user, same damn thing I told him. Your trying to argue a opinion, as much as I like to say that I can change people's belief in god, I can not. I doubt you can either.

But to do this again, your points in order.

1. Similar to vault 101 saying that I'm just incorrect doesn't suddenly make you factually correct. You lock a gutarist in a room with his mind and his instrument, he has more options to do something neat then a rapper, a rapper is locked into the language he is using and locked into words that rhyme, excluding many. A rapper, by default will sound more samey because only so many sentences can be made with words that naturally rhyme toghether.

2. What is there to understand? And, once again, like I have said twice all fucking ready, I have only heard more mainstream hiphop and I never led you to the accusation that it was good. First impressions are everything, when your first impression is a black man swearing into a mic and being sexist while threatening violence onto other people, of course I wouldn't want to dig right in. If you first met god and what he did was sack you in the face and verbally assault you while kicking you in the nuts I'm sure you would not get into the buisness of worshiping him.

3. Can you prove me wrong? I have the section copy pasted, ready to go that I say exactly this.

4. I'm guessing sarcastic yes as in you didn't read my original post but the version I had to explain to Vault 101.

In conclusion, I never gave the impression that I heard anything but mainstream rap and as such of course I am not saying that all of rap is like that. I am simply saying that it left a very bad impression on me and I would not, otherwise want to dig into it. Similair to what I said before, if a man came over, shot your pet in the fact, shoved it at you and then lit you both on fire you would not think this man is nice, similarily I don't want to dig into rap to find the good stuff when the first impression is a black man being a sexist asshole and talking about killing, raping or taking drugs from other men / women.

Now could you damn people stop replying to me because your suddenly not going to change my opinion on rap.

Here's a list of rappers You'll want to listen to if you only think rap is about material shit.

Hopsin, Dizzy Wright, The Jokerr, Cryptic wisdom, Tech n9ne, Krizz Kaliko, Eminem, G-Eazy, Lo Key. And many others

You just have to look to the underground if you want real rap music.

And the shit on the radio by like Wiz Khalifa, Young money, and Waka is shit, its not real rap, its radio music.

To say this, first impressions are everything, if your first impressions are bad you will likely think badly of what that impression was. Suggesting that someone, after hearing mainstream rap should dig deeper is like suggesting that someone who someone get shot should look deeper into the bullet hole and bleeding so they can wonder as to what was in his skull before hand.

And yes, Hip-Hop is its own subgenre. I've seen people credit as such, rap is not something I would associate with hip-hop.

Then I'm afraid that I must inform you that you are either a troll or are pitifully wrong.

How to judge a song in 5 seconds:

Skip to 1/4 way through.
Skip to 1/2 way through.
Skip to 3/4 way through.

If it all sounds the same, I won't like it. That's what hip-hop is to me, and it held true for every single song on that OP. I'm not trying to be elitist here - I'm just trying to provide a perspective on what this genre of music sounds like to someone who isn't interested in lyrics.

That's super close minded, but whatever go be elitist in the closet.

If you haven't listened to the songs in the OP then that means that you WANT to hate hip hop (Which is the same thing as rap) music.

Isn't it against forum rules to call someone a troll? I know because I actually met a troll on here and got a warning for pointing it out.

Anyways, 4th time someone disagreed with me and the 2nd time people have called me bad names over the fact that I disagree with their type of music. Escapist keeps getting more shallow every single reply.

Also, why are you calling me a troll with no foundation to do so. People have told me that Hip-Hop was its own type of music, and at one time it was. How about YOU sir go fuck off so that I can stop telling people every two damn seconds what is already IN MY DAMN POST!

I'm sorry, but this is the 4th time I had to come back to this same, damn thread to have someone berate me for disagreeing with their opinion of what makes quality music, and I'm fed up with it.

I've got it. You claim it's just your opinion. Well your opinion is stupid. Just cos it's your "opinion", that doesn't make it infallible. It's stupid to judge an entire genre based off a few small examples which are completely unrelated to the rest, no matter how you twist it or use excuses like it being an "opinion". It's stupid to then refuse to hear these other examples to counteract your opinion but still expect people to listen to your "opinion" and not argue it.

Similar to vault 101 saying that I'm just incorrect doesn't suddenly make you factually correct. You lock a gutarist in a room with his mind and his instrument, he has more options to do something neat then a rapper, a rapper is locked into the language he is using and locked into words that rhyme, excluding many. A rapper, by default will sound more samey because only so many sentences can be made with words that naturally rhyme toghether.

I still don't get this. Hip hop producers have many means at their disposal. Rappers have different voices, different ways of creating words and rhythm and they don't need to rhyme even if a lot do and you make it out to be a lot harder to rhyme than it is. The production varies greatly, it's just like any other kind of music. A lot of rock music sounds very similar anyway.

YOU SAID SOMETHING I DON'T AGREE THEREFORE MY OPINION IS SOMEHOW BETTER THEN YOURS BECAUSE YOURS IS DUMB FOR DISAGREEING WITH MY GOD LIKE OPINION!

I'm only responding for this. Calling someone dumb is like calling someone a *****, you are not going to get the person to respect you or your points. I laughed, honestly, all the way down your post and could not care less what your opinion is.

 

[MrLlamaLlama]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVgERzyMyAs

I behold to you a man who I believe, as an avid Hip Hop and Rap fan, to be in the top 3 best rappers alive today.

Immortal Technique destroys the stereotypes which often corner Hip Hop artists into categories like 'stupid' 'narrow minded' and 'not culturally aware'.

He changed my entire point of view, both of the world and music. Almost every verse has a deep second meaning, as well as being genius takes on spoken English. He has an equal talent (which surpasses anything ever done by Drake, Lil'Wayne, Pitbull, etc) at delivering both the brash, boasty lyrics that are ubiquitous in modern rap as well as deep (well researched) issues such as Drug Trafficking, Government Secrets, Flight 800, 9/11, Hitler, Stalin, The Illuminati, The economy and The Media.

He's also a fantastic Journalist who has a fascinatingly rich knowledge of world issues. Google will help you find his piece written shortly after the death of Osama Bin laden.

Oh, and he's entirely independent, no label, freedom of speech, releases his music on a 'pay for it or download it, I don't care' Because he cares about the message, not the money. He recently completed the construction of an Orphanage in Afghanistan for children whose lives were disrupted as part of the US & UK's occupation.

 

[Vicarious Reality]

Dooomph


I find when listening to hip hop for a long time it gets repetitive

 

[GoaThief]

Nice thread revival, almost made it a month.


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