Poll: An Interesting Thought about Piracy

[Alex Simpson]

Probably already been mentioned, but I don't think MLP is the best choice for "sake of argument" since Hasbro freely allows everyone to download the show illegally, watch it on youtube, etc.

& technically, no. It's not piracy. BUT, if the company tries to call you out on it, you can just send them proof that you own physical copies as well.

 

[Rastrelly]

No, it's not a piracy, as for me. You PAID for GOOD. You can do with YOUR PROPERTY everything you wish, and go to hell all those greedy guys insisting you paid for DVD only. This movie is yours, you can do all you want except for selling multiplied copies - THAT would be piracy. Copying/recoding/cutting/whatever for yourself - IS NOT A PIRACY.

 

[Phishfood]

Legally it's still breaking the law and you can be locked up or more likely fined massively for it.

However, as someone who has ripped a few of his DVDs and understands how time consuming it can be I wouldn't blame you for doing this.

This. Sadly the letter of the law is that you have paid for a license for said DVDs and indeed pirating (or even ripping) them is technically a breach of the contract. In fact, if you actually read the shit at the begining with FBI WARNING at the top in red text, brining a DVD into school to show your class is illegal.

The reality however is that most of the world's population does in fact have their head screwed in right and doesn't give a shit about doing such things.

This captcha! I can't even type it out here because I've forgotten the codes to all the special characters!

 

[Sir Prize]

Well, it depends on the reasoning.
If it's done to make back-up copies, I'd say it's okay. I am guilty of it myself in that case and I think it's fair.

If a person illegally downloads a game because it has no demo and intends to buy once they know they like it, fair enough. This only counts if there is no legal demo of the game.

 

[Lim3]

You already have purchased a license to watch it. The format might not be entirely legal, but it should be up to you what method you want to view it on.

 

[Guitarmasterx7]

I could be wrong, but I think if you already own the content then that's actually legal to do.

 

[The Lugz]

Here's an interesting thought I had today in class while I was not paying attention like I was supposed to be.

Say you buy an iPod Touch or something and decide you want lots of videos on it. Specifically, for the sake of argument, you want the entire first season of My Little Pony and The Bourne Identity on this new iPod. The only problem is that you own them both of DVD, having legitimately paid for them, but not digital versions from iTunes.

You find both of them on The Pirate Bay. Since you bought and paid for the actual physical media, would it still be considered piracy to download torrents of them so your kids (and you, don't lie) can watch My Little Pony on a road trip or so you can get your fill of violent kickass fights from Matt Damon at the airport?

What are your thoughts and why?

yes, that's piracy.

however if you convert the media you have to your ipod, that is not piracy because you are allowed to own backup copys of media which you own the original license for

enjoy.

also, products appended with 'i' are designed to provoke feelings of religion to make you purchase them, i advise against it.

 

[DracoSuave]

Here's an interesting thought I had today in class while I was not paying attention like I was supposed to be.

Say you buy an iPod Touch or something and decide you want lots of videos on it. Specifically, for the sake of argument, you want the entire first season of My Little Pony and The Bourne Identity on this new iPod. The only problem is that you own them both of DVD, having legitimately paid for them, but not digital versions from iTunes.

You find both of them on The Pirate Bay. Since you bought and paid for the actual physical media, would it still be considered piracy to download torrents of them so your kids (and you, don't lie) can watch My Little Pony on a road trip or so you can get your fill of violent kickass fights from Matt Damon at the airport?

What are your thoughts and why?

It actually depends on your jurisdiction.

In Canada, there's a levy on all media that can be copied onto that becomes royalties for music companies, thus making it so they can't complain if you make copies of stuff you actually own.

However, in this case, you're not.

See, the technology exists to rip from those dvds. That's fine, because you are, in fact, copying from a media you own. However, you do not own the original file off the torrent, so they might be able to ding you there.

Morally, provided you own the original copy, I see no problem with this. Legally, you might be in a pickle, depending on where you live.

 

[SillyBear]

Here's an interesting thought I had today in class while I was not paying attention like I was supposed to be.

Say you buy an iPod Touch or something and decide you want lots of videos on it. Specifically, for the sake of argument, you want the entire first season of My Little Pony and The Bourne Identity on this new iPod. The only problem is that you own them both of DVD, having legitimately paid for them, but not digital versions from iTunes.

You find both of them on The Pirate Bay. Since you bought and paid for the actual physical media, would it still be considered piracy to download torrents of them so your kids (and you, don't lie) can watch My Little Pony on a road trip or so you can get your fill of violent kickass fights from Matt Damon at the airport?

What are your thoughts and why?

If I already have a bought a shovel, and decide I want two, am I therefore allowed to steal the second one since I paid for the first shovel?

If you want two, you pay for two.

 

[thylasos]

If I've paid for it, I'm not paying twice. I'd probably just rip the DVDs and convert the files, mind. I'll see it on TV again eventually, and I'm not paying for that.

 

[ThatLankyBastard]

Personally, I download the DVD's first as a sorta preview to them, THEN I buy them!

...but that doesn't really help the thread much does it?

Kinda On-Topic: In Canada isn't it completely legal to download something from ThePirateBay (or any torrent site for that matter), as long as you don't ever upload something to it?

Like a "you-can-take-the-free-cookies-but-you-can't-sell-them" kinda deal...

...because I was under the impression that was how it is, but looking back I have no idea how I got that...

But anyways, if I'm right it's completely legal!

...in Canada...

 

[Faeriian]

If I already have a bought a shovel, and decide I want two, am I therefore allowed to steal the second one since I paid for the first shovel?

If you want two, you pay for two.

it's more like he buys a shovel and then puts it in a kind of replicator.. he is obviously in the right as he paid for it and he has a right to do with his own property what he bloody wants to.

 

[uberhippy]

When purchasing the physical medium (like DVD) you enter into the licence agreement with the people you purchase it off. In this sense, thats what makes it legal to rip data etc..
If you own a copy you can rip it, watch it, and reproduce it as many times as you want..
The only problem arises when you distribute it to others / sell it without the company agreeing to it..

I think you're justified. I've downloaded many things that i own, purposly because I know the hard-copies will eventually break / scratch etc.. and i still want to watch them later.

 

[averydeeadaccount]

Here's an interesting thought I had today in class while I was not paying attention like I was supposed to be.

Say you buy an iPod Touch or something and decide you want lots of videos on it. Specifically, for the sake of argument, you want the entire first season of My Little Pony and The Bourne Identity on this new iPod. The only problem is that you own them both of DVD, having legitimately paid for them, but not digital versions from iTunes.

You find both of them on The Pirate Bay. Since you bought and paid for the actual physical media, would it still be considered piracy to download torrents of them so your kids (and you, don't lie) can watch My Little Pony on a road trip or so you can get your fill of violent kickass fights from Matt Damon at the airport?

What are your thoughts and why?

Done the way you have described, yes. Since you are using a torrent, you would still be guilty of copyright infringement because you are distributing unlicensed copies of it to others and have no authorization to do so.



You can however legally rip it yourself, or obtain it in other ways where you are not distributing it, such as downloading from usenet or other services.

by that logic it would be fine if you don't seed at all, which is immoral. you have a choice here, do whats morally right or do whats legally right.
p.s. im a fan of torrenting, even without moral justification

P.P.S. i think the moral problem is more important, because you cant get cought from piracy so the law is irrelevant

 

[Tanfastic]

My grandpa once told me to follow the spirit of the laws not the words of them. Meaning that a law is set in place to help people get with a society but in a lot of cases that laws are what restrict the people from being themselves, and restrict them from a certain "blurred" line of law. In this case no, if you were going to sell the pirated copy and used the same logic of "I bought it already IRL" then you are in the wrong.

 

[Dejawesp]

It can't be piracy if you already bought a licence for them and the cops will not be knocking on your door for it and even if they did you could never go to court for it because you have the licence.

 

[Dunkhelzahn]

Legally, yes, Morally, no.

 

[SillyBear]

If I already have a bought a shovel, and decide I want two, am I therefore allowed to steal the second one since I paid for the first shovel?

If you want two, you pay for two.

it's more like he buys a shovel and then puts it in a kind of replicator.. he is obviously in the right as he paid for it and he has a right to do with his own property what he bloody wants to.

Completely irrelevant as to whether or not they are physical copies. I say again, if you want two items you must pay for two. Just because they are digital copies does not give you the right to buy one and steal the others. You aren't entitled to any of them, and buying one copy does not entitle you to anymore.

And it is not his property. The property belongs to the record label, the song writers and the performers. Buying one copy of their work does not make the music his property. Can you get more self entitled than that?

I'm so sick of this generation, bunch of self entitled whingers.