Poll: Anarchism

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Joool

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The_root_of_all_evil said:
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The_root_of_all_evil said:
Also, those private corporations? Ain't gonna be around in an Anarchy, dear boy. Not unless there's a thriving black market, and then we'll see how much you'll pay for a simple flu injection.
Why would there be no private corporations? What excaclty is the government doing what couldn't be done in a stateless society?

I am talking about free market anarchism of course.
Oh, then read Jennifer Government by Max Barry, or watch Max Headroom, or read Neuromancer.
Oh, then read Rothbard, Friedman and Hoppe
 
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Joool said:
The_root_of_all_evil said:
Joool said:
The_root_of_all_evil said:
Also, those private corporations? Ain't gonna be around in an Anarchy, dear boy. Not unless there's a thriving black market, and then we'll see how much you'll pay for a simple flu injection.
Why would there be no private corporations? What excaclty is the government doing what couldn't be done in a stateless society?

I am talking about free market anarchism of course.
Oh, then read Jennifer Government by Max Barry, or watch Max Headroom, or read Neuromancer.
Oh, then read Rothbard, Friedman and Hoppe
You forgot Tucker, Faucher and Molinari. That aside, Nozick clearly states that a competitive legal system would lead to a monopoly government. Especially given the prior knowledge of Capitalism, Monetarism and media spin.
If the numerous examples of fiction don't clear that dream from your mind, take a look at the Lockean Proviso [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockean_proviso], and try and work out how companies like Activision [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/92199-Activision-Suing-To-Stop-Brutal-Legend-Release] would respond to that.
 

Joool

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The_root_of_all_evil said:
If the numerous examples of fiction don't clear that dream from your mind
Well I highly doubt that any of those books would "clear that dream", I mean none of those books really have to do a lot with anarchocapitalism.

Quote from Jennifer Government wiki page: "some readers see the novel as a criticism of libertarianism. Many readers also see it as a criticism of globalization"

Neuromancer is just some science fiction book.
 

ilessthanthreetea

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Communism would work if people weren't greedy. Sadly human have this nature to try and be better than the other one, keeping up with teh jones' idea.

Anarchism would work if nobody tried to establish a legal system. Anrachism only works as a small group within a larger system.

Democracy would work if politicians were honest and therefore people could make reasoned decisions. Democracy doesnt work as there is always someone who will not be happy. The majority isnt always right.
 
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Joool said:
Neuromancer is just some science fiction book.
You mean it's a work of fiction? Funny... I already said that. It's never "just" a science fiction book though, in the same way that 1984 (Government brainwashing), Farenheit 451 (Book burning) or Day Of The Dead (social anarchy) are "just some science fiction" media.
 

Dys

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In the beginning, society was of an Anarchist state (at least ouside of a family and tribal ties). If, in the current economic cycle, we were to revert to anarchism there would be an inevitable cycle where we end up with people slowly gaining power, deciding to rule over the land they have conqured, inspiring revoloutions for democratic, organized governments and presto we make no progress.

For an anarchist state to work, we would need to have an economy such that people do not need to take from others to get what they want, and clearly there is no such economy that can provide that in the modern world. For now, however, I'm quite happy to sit back and ***** about overpaid politicians who are more interested in their public image than the countrys future, and about a broken police force that may as well not exist.
 

Ashtovo

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as long as humans have a tendancy to want power anarchism will not even be possible. someone will rise to power through whatever means they feel is necessary.
 

eels05

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Alot of people on here are Anarchists?
haha
Man if that state of society was unleashed all these so called anarchists could kiss their gaming pasttime goodbye at the very least.
 

FluffX

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Assume that gun type A is worse than gun type B, B worse than C, and so on.

People with no guns get killed and robbed by people with gun type A and above.
" "gun type A " "B and above

and so forth and so forth.

Anarchism sucks.
 

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Destal said:
Joool said:
The "People are shit" argument is probably the worst argument against anarchy ever.

If people are shit, how is giving the state a monopoly on force which attracts those people gonna solve anything.

Oh and here's the proof of anarchy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIs5r3ujBmw
The arguments that he makes are so incredibly easy to refute it's laughable. He can't make a single coercive argument for anarchism. If anything, he made me believe that it would work even less than I did previously.

Clashero said:
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Clashero said:
90% of those people advocating anarchism wouldn't last 10 minutes in an anarchist society.

Read John Locke, Montesquieu, Machiavelli, Bodin. They can explain how having no gov't is a bad, bad idea.
A man after my own heart. Those are some great philosophers you mentioned there.
Indeed they are. I'm glad they were part of the Political Studies course in secondary school. While I disagree with most of what Machievelli writes, his idea of what a society with no government or leader would work like is pretty spot-on.
I agree with you on Machiavelli, I'm not sure about his ends justify the means argument. I am however, impressed that you got that much from a political studies class. I didn't get really into philosophy from school until college. I had an amazing teacher.
Indeed, I was rather surprised at how much I was able to learn. I could've just coasted through the course but instead decided to pay attention and draw connections by myself, which turned out to be much more interesting than I had anticipated.
 

ragamuffingirl

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Anarchy simply does not and never will exist. But lets say it does happen, now you are on your own allowed to do whatever you please. Great, now you gotta hunt or forage for food because money no longer exists thus there is no motivation for anyone to sell anything. But uh oh! Looks like someone else is moving in on your grounds or wants your self-proclaimed property!

Now you fight them, maybe you die or maybe you win in pushing them back. But they cut a deal to split your land with someone else if they help kill you! Now you have two people fighting you so you ally with someone else, they ally with another person, so do you, etc. Now you have two villages waging war. But disagreements tear the villages apart so they need a banner to fight behind.

Someone either fight to power or is elected to power who becomes the king, chief, president, whatever. They glue the village together. Now you have a Government. Anarchy is no more. THAT is why Anarchy does not exist.
You should do a simple web search and read about Anarchy like some people have suggested.
 

lazy_bum

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It is a nice idea. however itsa biggest obsticale, just like with communism, is that of human nature. the canny and the strongest will always rise up and others will follow them due to humanitys overly tribal nature.
 

historybuff

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Humans are social creatures. Just like animals are. And just like animals, they instinctively have a social hierarchy.

Anarchy is something you spout off about when you're in high school and you have no idea what you're talking about. People who are older--have read some history and have some life experience under their belts will do a, "Wouldn't it be nice but go and read The Stand or Cell[i/]. Anarchy is not realistic."

Eventually, someone wants to assume authority. That's just the way humans are.