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george144 said:
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Market Anarchism would solve all of those problems, its based around people being selfish in the first place, and no-ones better at being selfish then human beings.
No, it wouldn't, because I would kill you and take your nice things. Thus, people would soon learn that it was inadvisable to have nice things, lest someone take them. Thus, your theory fails just as hard as regular anarchism, because that's what it is. You just added 'Market' onto the front of it.

No Market Anarchism is the idea that all agencies and organizations are privately owned and operated, so I would pay a security company to shoot you if you attempted to steal my stuff. Have a look at it here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free-market_anarchism
what about poor people?
Poor people adapt or starve to death, soon enough there will be no more poor people and the world will prosper, well until someone gets their hands on some nukes at least.
Fascist much?
Partly Fascist and partly Capitalist, its not perfect but it beats ideologies like communism and socialism.
That's an extremely selfish and heartless ideology you have there.
 

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Akai Shizuku said:
stefanbertramlee said:
Akai Shizuku said:
stefanbertramlee said:
george144 said:
Fondant said:
george144 said:
Market Anarchism would solve all of those problems, its based around people being selfish in the first place, and no-ones better at being selfish then human beings.
No, it wouldn't, because I would kill you and take your nice things. Thus, people would soon learn that it was inadvisable to have nice things, lest someone take them. Thus, your theory fails just as hard as regular anarchism, because that's what it is. You just added 'Market' onto the front of it.

No Market Anarchism is the idea that all agencies and organizations are privately owned and operated, so I would pay a security company to shoot you if you attempted to steal my stuff. Have a look at it here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free-market_anarchism


what about poor people?
There will be no poor people, because most anarchists are also communists. Myself included.
how would it work as people are going to use one company more than another making more money than another and it would be unpreventable without putting controls on the companys thus requring a goverment or other central orginastion
There is no money in communism. Currency is abolished. Everyone works to help each other survive and thrive, and in return everyone has the right to freely take from resources as they need.
are you taking about communism or anarchist-communism sort of thing
 

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Anarchy won't work for many reasons (at least not full blown anarchy). For starters, currency is non existent, meaning people won't work for other people, just individuals. This may not be a bad thing, but I'd say about 90 percent of the worlds population (at least more urban countries) would die off very soon due to starvation. Also, people would be killing everyone, as there's nothing negative about not doing it. You wouldn't want to have anything as people would just steal it. Like I said, this would happen for full blown Anarchism, not that market what ever... although, I don't think that would work either (assuming killing isn't punished in that system), as if you owned companies, the one that could kill the other quickest would win. However, if you can't kill without consequence, then I don't really consider it Anarchy. I don't mind private business though.

Personally, I have no idea why people are for anarchy. It would just lead to a lot of dieing... I guess if your slightly to moderately twisted in the head then you would be all for it.

Oh, and poor people would probably need to adapt less than those with more things, as there would be less of EVERYTHING. No one would work, so there would be no food. Homeless people would probably survive the longest in cities, as they're used to not having much food.

Yeah, I can't see this working out well...

By the way, let's not get communism mixed up with Mao-communism. They're very different. Regular communism is actually not a bad idea, but there's so much that wouldn't work with it that it will never happen (currency is needed for people to work at all). At least, I can't see it happening. I don't know everything about true communism, so my opinion isn't really valid here.
 

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stefanbertramlee said:
Akai Shizuku said:
george144 said:
Akai Shizuku said:
george144 said:
stefanbertramlee said:
george144 said:
Fondant said:
george144 said:
Market Anarchism would solve all of those problems, its based around people being selfish in the first place, and no-ones better at being selfish then human beings.
No, it wouldn't, because I would kill you and take your nice things. Thus, people would soon learn that it was inadvisable to have nice things, lest someone take them. Thus, your theory fails just as hard as regular anarchism, because that's what it is. You just added 'Market' onto the front of it.

No Market Anarchism is the idea that all agencies and organizations are privately owned and operated, so I would pay a security company to shoot you if you attempted to steal my stuff. Have a look at it here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free-market_anarchism
what about poor people?
Poor people adapt or starve to death, soon enough there will be no more poor people and the world will prosper, well until someone gets their hands on some nukes at least.
Fascist much?
Partly Fascist and partly Capitalist, its not perfect but it beats ideologies like communism and socialism.
That's an extremely selfish and heartless ideology you have there.
Yes and a very realisitic one I'm afraid

Akai Shizuku said:
george144 said:
how would it work as people are going to use one company more than another making more money than another and it would be unpreventable without putting controls on the companys thus requring a goverment or other central orginastion
Well the idea is that all the competing markets would constantly be competing with each other to offer the best product at the best price, creating the best end result for the consumer, it would be regulated by people, well more specially by peoples money, if a company goes too cheap then its not going to be very good at its job and so people will stop paying for it and pay for the more expensive but higher quality service. In theory this should keep everything steady.
 

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stefanbertramlee said:
Akai Shizuku said:
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Akai Shizuku said:
stefanbertramlee said:
george144 said:
Fondant said:
george144 said:
Market Anarchism would solve all of those problems, its based around people being selfish in the first place, and no-ones better at being selfish then human beings.
No, it wouldn't, because I would kill you and take your nice things. Thus, people would soon learn that it was inadvisable to have nice things, lest someone take them. Thus, your theory fails just as hard as regular anarchism, because that's what it is. You just added 'Market' onto the front of it.

No Market Anarchism is the idea that all agencies and organizations are privately owned and operated, so I would pay a security company to shoot you if you attempted to steal my stuff. Have a look at it here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free-market_anarchism


what about poor people?
There will be no poor people, because most anarchists are also communists. Myself included.
how would it work as people are going to use one company more than another making more money than another and it would be unpreventable without putting controls on the companys thus requring a goverment or other central orginastion
There is no money in communism. Currency is abolished. Everyone works to help each other survive and thrive, and in return everyone has the right to freely take from resources as they need.
are you taking about communism or anarchist-communism sort of thing
They're the same thing. In communism, if executed properly, the government becomes unnecessary and quickly fades, leading to anarcho-communism.
 

Federalist92

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Anarchism will work for about a day before one very large group join together, get their hands on some guns and force the world into a giant oppressive Dictatorship. It just doesnt work. theres always someone who wants all thepower. And theres normally quite a lot of them to start with anyway.
Anarchism would just give everyone in the world a level field and those people could take there chance to strike.
Then again, looking at my name you can tell theres only one way i thnk the human race can go.
So im very biased.
 

Akai Shizuku

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george144 said:
Akai Shizuku said:
george144 said:
Akai Shizuku said:
george144 said:
stefanbertramlee said:
george144 said:
Fondant said:
george144 said:
Market Anarchism would solve all of those problems, its based around people being selfish in the first place, and no-ones better at being selfish then human beings.
No, it wouldn't, because I would kill you and take your nice things. Thus, people would soon learn that it was inadvisable to have nice things, lest someone take them. Thus, your theory fails just as hard as regular anarchism, because that's what it is. You just added 'Market' onto the front of it.

No Market Anarchism is the idea that all agencies and organizations are privately owned and operated, so I would pay a security company to shoot you if you attempted to steal my stuff. Have a look at it here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free-market_anarchism
what about poor people?
Poor people adapt or starve to death, soon enough there will be no more poor people and the world will prosper, well until someone gets their hands on some nukes at least.
Fascist much?
Partly Fascist and partly Capitalist, its not perfect but it beats ideologies like communism and socialism.
That's an extremely selfish and heartless ideology you have there.
Yes and a very realisitic one I'm afraid
So you say just let the starving children in Africa suffer and die? Look them in the eyes as they from an easily curable disease? Just don't care?
 

velcthulhu

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As I recall, the original form of anarchism did not advocate permanent anarchy, but merely claimed that the governments of the world were so corrupt and entrenched that the only way to fix them would be to destroy all of them and hope something better would arise from the ashes. While there is a small chance that would work, more likely something even worse would result. The modern interpretation of anarchism would never work, though.
 

Lord George

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Akai Shizuku said:
george144 said:
Akai Shizuku said:
george144 said:
Akai Shizuku said:
george144 said:
stefanbertramlee said:
george144 said:
Fondant said:
george144 said:
Market Anarchism would solve all of those problems, its based around people being selfish in the first place, and no-ones better at being selfish then human beings.
No, it wouldn't, because I would kill you and take your nice things. Thus, people would soon learn that it was inadvisable to have nice things, lest someone take them. Thus, your theory fails just as hard as regular anarchism, because that's what it is. You just added 'Market' onto the front of it.

No Market Anarchism is the idea that all agencies and organizations are privately owned and operated, so I would pay a security company to shoot you if you attempted to steal my stuff. Have a look at it here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free-market_anarchism
what about poor people?
Poor people adapt or starve to death, soon enough there will be no more poor people and the world will prosper, well until someone gets their hands on some nukes at least.
Fascist much?
Partly Fascist and partly Capitalist, its not perfect but it beats ideologies like communism and socialism.
That's an extremely selfish and heartless ideology you have there.
Yes and a very realisitic one I'm afraid
So you say just let the starving children in Africa suffer and die? Look them in the eyes as they from an easily curable disease? Just don't care?
How exactly does that relate to Anarchism? But no I'm afraid I can't change anything in Africa and I can't help those people so I'm not going to delude myself that I can change it just to make myself feel like a better person.
 

Akai Shizuku

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velcthulhu said:
As I recall, the original form of anarchism did not advocate permanent anarchy, but merely claimed that the governments of the world were so corrupt and entrenched that the only way to fix them would be to destroy all of them and hope something better would arise from the ashes. While there is a small chance that would work, more likely something even worse would result. The modern interpretation of anarchism would never work, though.
Anarchism would only work when we're talking about anarcho-communism.
 

Akai Shizuku

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george144 said:
Akai Shizuku said:
george144 said:
Akai Shizuku said:
george144 said:
Akai Shizuku said:
george144 said:
stefanbertramlee said:
george144 said:
Fondant said:
george144 said:
Market Anarchism would solve all of those problems, its based around people being selfish in the first place, and no-ones better at being selfish then human beings.
No, it wouldn't, because I would kill you and take your nice things. Thus, people would soon learn that it was inadvisable to have nice things, lest someone take them. Thus, your theory fails just as hard as regular anarchism, because that's what it is. You just added 'Market' onto the front of it.

No Market Anarchism is the idea that all agencies and organizations are privately owned and operated, so I would pay a security company to shoot you if you attempted to steal my stuff. Have a look at it here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free-market_anarchism
what about poor people?
Poor people adapt or starve to death, soon enough there will be no more poor people and the world will prosper, well until someone gets their hands on some nukes at least.
Fascist much?
Partly Fascist and partly Capitalist, its not perfect but it beats ideologies like communism and socialism.
That's an extremely selfish and heartless ideology you have there.
Yes and a very realisitic one I'm afraid
So you say just let the starving children in Africa suffer and die? Look them in the eyes as they from an easily curable disease? Just don't care?
How exactly does that relate to Anarchism? But no I'm afraid I can't change anything in Africa and I can't help those people so I'm not going to delude myself that I can change it just to make myself feel like a better person.
No, you can change something. Everybody can. One person might not be able to do much (unless they're rich, but rich people are almost always fat lazy and off their rocker), but if we band together, we can do a lot. There's power in numbers.
 

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Not to troll, but honestly, anarchism, for the most part, just seems like some stupid idea started by some rebellious teens that have issues with authority and don't like to talk about politics, and is supported by people who want to sound cool.

Really, humanity has spent its whole existence creating order with government, and now somebody is going to say the answer to a utopia is to throw it all out the window, with the precious balance relying on people to be civil and good-hearted? Sorry, but that won't happen. Not when religions and cultures clash and create oppositions. Not when half the population of earth is a greedy son-of-a-*****. Put a bunch of people in a room with no rules and crazy things WILL happen.

And all these ways that people say anarchy could work? Guess what. They just made up a rule or system for order. Which makes it not an anarchy.
 

Bigeyez

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Anarchy, like Communism is perfect in theory but would NEVER work because people would fuck it up.

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stefanbertramlee

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Boxpopper said:
Not to troll, but honestly, anarchism, for the most part, just seems like some stupid idea started by some rebellious teens that have issues with authority and don't like to talk about politics, and is supported by people who want to sound cool.

Really, humanity has spent its whole existence creating order with government, and now somebody is going to say the answer to a utopia is to throw it all out the window, with the precious balance relying on people to be civil and good-hearted? Sorry, but that won't happen. Not when religions and cultures clash and create oppositions. Not when half the population of earth is a greedy son-of-a-*****. Put a bunch of people in a room with no rules and crazy things WILL happen.

And all these ways that people say anarchy could work? Guess what. They just made up a rule or system for order. Which makes it not an anarchy.
Meh, the poll agrees with you
 

chenry

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If we lived in Anarchy, the strong would rule the weak and fuck everyone else.

Kind of like right now. So anarchy would be roughly like it is now, only shittier.