Poll: And so it begins: Subscriptions

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DEAD34345

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Wow.

You found a way to make free games sound like a bad thing. I must congratulate you, that must have took some effort.

OT: No, I don't think there will be a rental subscription any time soon. If there is, I doubt it will be in any way related to the free weekends.
 

Joccaren

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Pff. I'd care if they did because?
Its Steam. I don't buy my games from there. If a game needs to be registered there to play, its not going to be a "Pay rent on Steam to play the game you've bought" thing. Its going to be a "Pay rent on Steam to buy games you haven't bought, or just play the games you already own for free", or else they'll just be not on Steam, or pirated into Oblivion.
If its done by Steam, they're going to do it in a way that makes sense, and is advantageous to the business and consumer.
If they don't, it would go against the mentality behind many of their previous actions, and I'm pretty sure they'd know they'd be shooting themselves in the balls if they tried it.
 

GoaThief

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viranimus said:
Yes, your irrational hatred of Valve is coming through nice and clear.

No, I don't this is the beginning of the end of Steam as we know it at all.
 

Eamar

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Yeah, I really think you're reading too much into this. They've been doing the free weekends thing for ages and have yet to even hint at anything subscription-related.

It's just a free sample, or a demo. It's a pretty neat sales tactic, actually: draw people in with a weekend of free play, they're more inclined to give it a go because, hey, it's free and just sitting there in your library, then a percentage of them get into it and buy the full version once the weekend's up, some of whom may not have even thought to try it previously.

They're not doing it just to be nice, but there's nothing particularly malicious going on. Just another form of advertising.
 

zehydra

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Fun fact! All steam games are downloaded on your computer to play them. Meaning, with a bit of tinkering, you don't need steam to play them.
 

EternalFacepalm

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They've been doing free weekends for ages. Nothing is different.

Besides, are you seriously complaining about the lack of protest against free trials? People don't protest it because it benefits everyone. They get to try the game for free, and the publisher/developer gets money from enticing players. What's the problem?
zehydra said:
Fun fact! All steam games are downloaded on your computer to play them. Meaning, with a bit of tinkering, you don't need steam to play them.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but many of them have Steam in mind throughout the design, meaning Steam support is in the source code. You'd basically have to rewrite parts of the game to do that in some cases.
 

nu1mlock

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EternalFacepalm said:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but many of them have Steam in mind throughout the design, meaning Steam support is in the source code. You'd basically have to rewrite parts of the game to do that in some cases.
You're thinking of games using Steamworks. You're correct in that they have Steamworks (things like achievements, matchmaking, friends list, easier invites, cloud saving etc.) built-in into the game but pirate groups have no trouble making the games not use Steam.

But who cares, you can just start Steam in offline mode and play the offline games anyway.
 

TrevHead

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Well there's Eve Online which has been on steam for years. Although it looks like you can only buy the 1st month from steam

I can't really see subscription games happening on Steam, Sub games tend to tie the player down to just that one game with less time for other games. I can't see Valve wanting that.
 

Muspelheim

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Well, they better not, or I'm going to sod gaming full-time and do something else. D:<

I -really- don't like subscriptions for games and services that don't need them to fund some sort of massive serverhall beneath the permafrost in Thule or something. I don't mind paying for a nice product, that's how the world ought to work, but I don't want to keep paying like it's an electricity bill or something.

Buuut then again, Steam probably does require some rather expensive maintenance. But on the third hand, I doubt they are going to risk alienating alot of users with a Steam-wide subscription requirement unless things become very dire. And they're not SPECTRE, I'm sure they could see why it'd be impopular to have to pay a monthly fee just to access the games you've already bought. Say what you like about Valve and Steam (Some of which will be "Aaaarr, they're the devil holding HL3 for ransom!!1"), but they tend to at least try to have some understanding of what the customers want.

However, I don't think the weekend demos is an indication that we're going there. It's simply a good way to expose a title and perhaps rope in a few new buyers with low cost. I doubt it's nearly as sinister as it might seem.
 

Total LOLige

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I don't think that it's a test for a subscription policy. I think Steam are taking a leaf from the shady character that hangs in the back alley, they give you some for free and you're hooked and you've got to buy it to get your fix. It's no coincidence that all the free weekend games have been addictive ones, oh Gabe you little drug dealer you.
 

viranimus

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Look this isnt some fear driven paranoia.. .its looking at what they are doing and following that to a logical conclusion.

Today they are giving away allotments of time for a game.. And people are comparing it to a crack dealer giving out free stuff? WTF? You realize that these games already had demos to do that right?

There is no logical reason to put time constrains on 3rd party games unless the goal is to create a rental service that withdraws access after a specific time. It wont hurt Steam.. the mindless populous will eat it up when they see "buying it costs 10$, but I can rent it for a weekend for 1$" And the process that steam has already started of turning products into subscriptions will be perpetuated even further.

Its not out of irrational hatred for steam. Its very specific hatred for what they are doing to the industry. And I try to bring this to peoples attention because the general gamer community lacks any foresight to see how its actions hurt everyone else. In 20 years I would love to be able to purchase a physical disc for a game and install/play it and sell it if I didnt like it. However because everyone is all bent on digital distribution people are effectively removing that as an option for me by supporting companies like steam that are in effect taking that ability away from me in the future and supporting organizations that are removing legally protected status today. Calling me a wingnut for trying to get you to see exactly what they doing? Really?

But whatever. Ive tried to warn people and in a few years when you have to pay your weekly access fee to access a game you have already bought and paid for, and cant access it because your internet connection is down, no one will ever think for one second that some guy on the escapist a decade or two ago told you it would happen.

Wheres farnsworth when you need him?
 

Yopaz

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I don't think Steam will ever do a subscription thing. They have a profitable business model as it is so they don't need to change anything the way it is now. Right now giving us free weekends get us to play games and sometimes find out that we like them and thus buy them. It's a sneaky way to earn money, but it also gives us a feel of the games we buy so I can forgive them.
 
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JoesshittyOs said:
This is the very definition of "jumping the gun".

That does not in any way foreshadow that they are going to start a subscription service. I'm assuming they do it because it gives people a chance to try the games.

It's a nice thing. People like nice things.
good god this.

seriously, this is borderline zeel on how much you are jumping the gun/making connections when there is nothing there.

it's a free weekend (sample as put) to get people enticed into buying their games that have long past had their glory days and/or have DLC for them (such as with Civ V)

not to mention, it's not like everyone is dependent on steam, the masses would just flock to GoG or other sales platforms, not to mention, i can't see valve ever actually doing that.

viranimus said:
Look this isnt some fear driven paranoia.. .its looking at what they are doing and following that to a logical conclusion.

Today they are giving away allotments of time for a game.. And people are comparing it to a crack dealer giving out free stuff? WTF? You realize that these games already had demos to do that right?

Its not out of irrational hatred for steam. Its very specific hatred for what they are doing to the industry. And I try to bring this to peoples attention because the general gamer community lacks any foresight to see how its actions hurt everyone else. In 20 years I would love to be able to purchase a physical disc for a game and install/play it and sell it if I didnt like it. However because everyone is all bent on digital distribution people are effectively removing that as an option for me by supporting companies like steam that are in effect taking that ability away from me in the future and supporting organizations that are removing legally protected status today. Calling me a wingnut for trying to get you to see exactly what they doing? Really?

But whatever. Ive tried to warn people and in a few years when you have to pay your weekly access fee to access a game you have already bought and paid for, and cant access it because your internet connection is down, no one will ever think for one second that some guy on the escapist a decade or two ago told you it would happen.
1) some of them don't have demos, nor do those demos actively reflect the whole games capabilities/aspects, so it's easier for the publisher and steam to just release the whole game for a weekends worth of time, especially at critical moments when "steam sales" happen, therefore advertisement and *gasp* sales go up!

2) so your blaming everyone for liking digital sales over physical copies? don't blame just steam for that, all digital stores should be receiving flack about it then. I could talk about why i prefer digital quite a bit, but that is a whole nother topic, so i'll stick to this for now.

3) err....have you not paid any attention to what is happening with blizzard and D3? it has been getting shit smeared for weeks (hell for a few months before it came out too) for people not being able to access their product, and there are tons of customers (including me) who are pissed off that they made all of it as such as server side, which is why a ton of us didn't buy the game in the first place. (other reasons, but to each his own, that was just the majority reason)

if I felt like trolling, I could swear you are a sleeper agent for zeel in the form of hatred against steam instead of EA
 

BathorysGraveland

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I sure fucking hope not! The only reason I even use Steam is because a few games I have bought retail actually require it to run. And I'll be damned if I am going to spend additional money to play games I've already purchased. I really hope this doesn't come to pass.