Poll: Animal abuse vs Human abuse
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Our opinions differ, but I don't disagree with you necessarily. When you describe something as 'worse' it is very open to interpretation. As is the term abuse. My understand of the term 'abuse' is when you harm someone out for reasons that the person is not directly responsible for. For nothing but spite, frustration, etc which is why I drew to the conclusion I did.Mr F. said:
The way I see it, if I'm being abused by someone, I have some ability to stop it. I can pick up a phone, call authorities. Press charges. I can take fate into my own hands, and I can take stops to stop it. Thus limiting the amount of suffering that can by caused and overall can have a better outcome.
An animal can't do something like that. If you have an abusive dog owner, who say kicks his dog due to his own frustrations. What can a dog do to end the suffering? The dog is powerless. It doesn't matter if you argue that a dog doesn't feel pain the same way we do, or that a human is more negatively affected by it... as humans have the power to stop it the abuse on themselves. They also have complete power over whether an animal lives happily or dies in agony. An animal can't even protect itself with tooth and claw without facing worse consequence. If an authority doesn't ever discover what is going on and put a stop to it, the abuse could happen for a very long time.
It seems kind of backwards for you to claim that it is subjective one moment, then act shocked that anyone would come to that conclusion. You don't have to agree with me but it's clear you don't actually see it as subjective at all. I think the OP just wasn't very specific on the actual question that was being asked. That and it almost seems like he's less interested in discussion and more interested in confirming his own beliefs.
Even against creatures like a bear/giant squid.......one would think they would have the advantage >_<Desert Punk said:
Oh Really care to explain this highly acurate and completly true photo:Desert Punk said:
But in all seriousness are you saying that animal abuse is worse because us as humans have guns to defend our selves,because not all people have/know how to use one.
The way I see it, the courts tend to deal with abuse in this sense:
Victims (from most heinous to least heinous) | Sentencing (minor abuse/constant-mild abuse/abuse that leads to death)
Elderly (65+ years old) | 3-15 years/15 years to Life/Life without parole or Death
Adult (18 - 64 years old) | 3-5 years/5-15 years to life/25 years to Life
Any animal | 3 months to a year/1-3 years/3-15 years
Minor (17- years old) | 3-6 months/6 months to 1.5 years/3-5 years
Again, these are just my own predictions, based on several cases that I've seen/heard over that years. So no matter if your are an adult or an animal, the courts feel that they are more important than the life of a child. Also, you can kill as many animals as you want and it still won't amount to a single human life.
I mean, look at Michael Vick; he forced dogs to kill each other, went to jail, and the NFL still brought him back. One of the few reasons I'm not into football.
Victims (from most heinous to least heinous) | Sentencing (minor abuse/constant-mild abuse/abuse that leads to death)
Elderly (65+ years old) | 3-15 years/15 years to Life/Life without parole or Death
Adult (18 - 64 years old) | 3-5 years/5-15 years to life/25 years to Life
Any animal | 3 months to a year/1-3 years/3-15 years
Minor (17- years old) | 3-6 months/6 months to 1.5 years/3-5 years
Again, these are just my own predictions, based on several cases that I've seen/heard over that years. So no matter if your are an adult or an animal, the courts feel that they are more important than the life of a child. Also, you can kill as many animals as you want and it still won't amount to a single human life.
I mean, look at Michael Vick; he forced dogs to kill each other, went to jail, and the NFL still brought him back. One of the few reasons I'm not into football.
Your lucky you didn't see [I assume as other wise the poll result's wouldn't shock you] The do you save a stranger or your pet thread [can't find it,most likely deleted,it turned ugly fast] in which the majority of people said that they would save their pet and let a stranger drown to death instead of doing the opposite.Mr F. said:
But.......but.......lassie could go and get help........surly other animals could follow her example and run to the nearest police station [clutching at straws]Desert Punk said:
Damn useless cops ,your right they have to go to the super hero animals,but bat cat is hard to find,instead they should go to super cat!Desert Punk said:Those animals know the humanocentric police would do nothing for them, their best bet would be to find Bat Cat.knight steel said:
But I think we all know how elusive he is..
I suppose I'd feel agony. I'm not sure there'd be much use in, or much time for feeling anything else.knight steel said:
If you found yourself in the position to make this choice, would you choose not to help the stranger knowing that it could turn out to be me or someone like me? Or would you still help them? Would you help them even if you knew they were a hypocrite?
I can think of many situations in which I might be driven to hate a person so much that I want to hurt them, as people have the power and (sometimes) the inclination to do extremely horrible things. Animals on the other hand are generally powerless against people, and when they do horrible things it's usually out of a need to survive rather than malice. I think that's why people often have a worse reaction to animal abuse than human abuse, there's just no real excuse for harming something that is completely powerless against you, the same way harming children seems so much worse than harming adults.
No I would let you die GWHAHAHAHAPeterMerkin69 said:
Joking,I'm joking,relax I'm joking.
Yes of course I would save you if I could save anyone I [hope I} would do the right thing and save anyone regardless of who they are ^_^
Animal abuse is worse to me because people are generally shit so I have little to no sympathy for them.
You misinterpreted me. Probably not deliberately.GeneralFungi said:
The opinion is subjective not objective. There is no right answer. Whether or not humans are worth more, or less, then others is open to interpretation.
The fact that people hold the belief that humans are worth less then animals, that abusing a child is not as bad as abusing a dog, shocks me. It scares me. I do not hold that my opinion is the "Right" opinion, just that people who hold an opinion other then my own "Shock" me. This distinction needs to be made. My ethical values and others ethical values differ, neither of us is right.
I am making this distinction because a lot of people simply refuse to accept that their opinion is not "right". Do you understand?
In some places, a thief loses a hand for his/her crime. Within those places, it is held to be right that this is done. I believe this is wrong. Is it objectively wrong? No, there is simply a difference in ethical codes. Does the fact that this is practiced shock me? Yes. It terrifies me. But I am not objectively right because I believe in the British Criminal Justice System, nor are they objectively wrong for believing in Sharia law (I was referring to Saudi). You see the distinction?
I am not right, nor am I wrong, there is no absolute, I am still shocked that people hold the differing opinion though, because that opinion scares me.
Oh, I know that is the usual response. Thing is, I hope I understand humanity to some degree.knight steel said:
In abstract most people would say that. As a thought experiment. Come the push, come the moment when you are trying to save someones life, you will do anything. The gears shift in your brain. You stop caring about the little things.
People might love their pets and people might hate most humans. But humans will fight to protect each other. If a man walked into your house with a bound and gagged stranger, pointed a gun at his head and made you choose between your beloved pet and watching a man get executed before your very eyes the vast majority, and I mean the VAST majority, would choose to watch their pet die.
Those that would choose the reverse would be mentally ill. End of.
Excuse me, male cats have a barbed penis so the female can't escape during intercourse and chimpanzee have a tendency of hunting and ripping smaller monkeys apart to enhance the team spirit in their group, talk about abuse. Nature is as freaky, perverse and weird as it can get away.CrazyCapnMorgan said: