Poll: Animal Right's Organizations: Terrorists, Vigilanties or Heroes

[Wintermoot]

just look at the seasheppard! They vandalize the equipment people need in order too survive! Yes I know that they catch whale,s to eat but, its the same thing as vigilantism and its even made worse by sailing under a fake flag (they are from the USA but sail under a Dutch flag, if they get into trouble Holland gets the blame)
PS about animal testing: if you dont want experimental medicine/procedure tested on animals then you need to volunteer for them yourself

 

[rokkolpo]

We are killing them for food, therefore I believe they deserve some respect.

This seems contradictory.

Not really. Most cultures of any age teach you to respect animals that work for you or are your food source.

You show them respect by doing things like ensuring they are treated in their life as humanely as possible, and in death that they are killed as painlessly as possible and that nothing of them is wasted. This is why many cultures don't believe in sport hunting and why most of us are offended when, for example, an elephant is killed for thier tusks and the body is left to rot.

That's not as much respect as pity.
making them comfortable before slaughter.
(then again, respect is very much subjective)

 

[Terminal Blue]

On the medical testing issue..

There are alternatives to animal testing (cell cultures etc) which are being ignored because of the availability and ease of testing on animals. There is an argument that the scientific community does just resort to animal testing because it's cheap and easy when other methods might actually be just as good or even better.

It's not a case of 'either animals or humans' any more. There are new technologies which can supplement the need for animal testing, maybe not in all cases but certainly in many.

Me.. I'm really not sure about animal rights as a concept. I eat meat and use animal derived products, but at the same time I understand the concept of speciesism and sometimes I do question the arrogance of assuming human life outweighs the life of any other creature. Does the life of an intelligent human outweigh the life of a stupid human? I do think we need to question our assumptions about this kind of thing, I'm just not sure animal rights movements as they exist are really offering viable alternatives or solutions.

 

[Shock and Awe]

Depends on the organization. There is a far cry between the humane society and PETA.

 

[CoffeeOfDoom]

There's also the issue of how the animals used in science are treated. Vivisection while an animal is still fully conscious and not under the influence of painkillers? Animals forced to live in filthy conditions without access to food, clean water or veterinary care? Blatant cruelty on the part of under qualified staff? Honestly, no matter what, there's no excuse to be made for willfully torturing a cat by ripping out it's nails.

Have you ever been to an animal testing facility?
I used to work at one, my job was to look after the animals (i.e. clean their enclosures, feed them, give them water etc.). For a start, vivisection wasn't used. If there were ever any health problems with the animals they would be given immediate veterinary care and would be taken out of the testing program. I never witnessed any cruelty from the staff and definitely never saw a cat having it's nails ripped out!
I'm not trying to say that animal testing is awesome or anything like that, but please do some proper research before you make ignorant statements like these.

 

[KingGolem]

I can't rightly support using our time and money on something as useless as "humane" treatment of animals. See, I'm a human, so not only do I not care about the feelings or well-being of animals, I also think that positive benefits can come from not caring. After all, I surely wouldn't want the development of new drugs and procedures to be held back because they had to make sure all their experiments were "humane." Bah! If those guys care so much about animals, let them be nice to animals and leave the rest of us alone.

 

[OhSnap]

There's also the issue of how the animals used in science are treated. Vivisection while an animal is still fully conscious and not under the influence of painkillers? Animals forced to live in filthy conditions without access to food, clean water or veterinary care? Blatant cruelty on the part of under qualified staff? Honestly, no matter what, there's no excuse to be made for willfully torturing a cat by ripping out it's nails.

Have you ever been to an animal testing facility?
I used to work at one, my job was to look after the animals (i.e. clean their enclosures, feed them, give them water etc.). For a start, vivisection wasn't used. If there were ever any health problems with the animals they would be given immediate veterinary care and would be taken out of the testing program. I never witnessed any cruelty from the staff and definitely never saw a cat having it's nails ripped out!
I'm not trying to say that animal testing is awesome or anything like that, but please do some proper research before you make ignorant statements like these.

I apologise if I sounded as if I were generalising. I didn't mean to come off as if I were saying they were -all- like that, and perhaps the facility you were at was... well, I hesitate to say humane or anything. However many people I know who have gone into testing facilities have told me of the substandard care and neglect they saw. Plus, the videos available for viewing online, lead me to believe that very few facilities do offer proper care for the animals they keep.

I also admit I'm biased seeing as I am absolutely , 100% against animal testing.

 

[CoffeeOfDoom]

There's also the issue of how the animals used in science are treated. Vivisection while an animal is still fully conscious and not under the influence of painkillers? Animals forced to live in filthy conditions without access to food, clean water or veterinary care? Blatant cruelty on the part of under qualified staff? Honestly, no matter what, there's no excuse to be made for willfully torturing a cat by ripping out it's nails.

Have you ever been to an animal testing facility?
I used to work at one, my job was to look after the animals (i.e. clean their enclosures, feed them, give them water etc.). For a start, vivisection wasn't used. If there were ever any health problems with the animals they would be given immediate veterinary care and would be taken out of the testing program. I never witnessed any cruelty from the staff and definitely never saw a cat having it's nails ripped out!
I'm not trying to say that animal testing is awesome or anything like that, but please do some proper research before you make ignorant statements like these.

I apologise if I sounded as if I were generalising. I didn't mean to come off as if I were saying they were -all- like that, and perhaps the facility you were at was... well, I hesitate to say humane or anything. However many people I know who have gone into testing facilities have told me of the substandard care and neglect they saw. Plus, the videos available for viewing online, lead me to believe that very few facilities do offer proper care for the animals they keep.

I also admit I'm biased seeing as I am absolutely , 100% against animal testing.

I apologise for being rude in my first post, partly because when I did work there I had so many people telling me I was evil and should be tortured etc. That's one of the reasons why I hate animal rights groups!
I do understand that some may be like that, but not all of them are.
The way I see it is that animal testing (for the meantime anyway) is a necessary evil, but I'm all for finding new ways to test new medicines etc. without using animals.

 

[ultrachicken]

I'm going to go with the impartial "depends" answer.

 

[Aur0ra145]

We only hear about the extremists and I view them as terrorists. But they do have good in their organization. An animal is not a person, but they should be treated well whenever you can.

Note: I'm a hunter, and I believe that hunting is a necessary part of population control. You could call me a conservationist, though there are some things that need to happen and the death of an animal is no reason to stop progress.