Poll: Anime viewing and its effects

[LackofCertainty]

The only reasonable way to get me to stop pirating is to offer up anime/manga for "free" by paying for it with advertising. I'm excited to see animes (actually just all sorts of shows) getting released via Hulu and Youtube for "free" (not really free since there's advertising but it's free enough for me)

Isn't this basically what Crunchyroll does? But you still pirate. Plus, you (and a few others like you) keep acting like it's okay to pirate stuff because you can't afford it, but it's not like you're being denied a basic right; it's entertainment, not chemotherapy. I can't afford a new Lotus, much as I'd love to have one, but that doesn't give me the right to steal one; I just do without. (And before anyone tries to give me a bunch of shit, I realize that a new car =/= DVDs. The principle is still the same.)

Whoa, whoa, whoa, you mistake me as a person who believes what I am doing is right. I know I am stealing. I know I am a thief. I know that I am taking food out of the mouths of the creators, but the thing is that I don't really care that much. I am a bad man.

In my post I just want others who are also bad men/women to realize that they are evil as well. That's why I said this:

... What's the difference between watching an anime streamed, or downloading it, watching the show, and then deleting it off your hard drive when you're done with it? Nothing.

A lot of people like to argue that "It doesn't count as pirating if I watch it before the show gets released here, because there's no way I could get access to it yet," but that's a line of bull people use to pretend they're not essentially stealing a product from it's creator. Of the people out there who watch an anime series before it becomes available overseas, how many do you really believe go out and buy the anime after it does become available? Probably something like .1% (Yes, I did just pull a statistic out of my ass there)

I do a lot of bad things. I speed when I drive my vehicle. I judge people before I get to know them. I steal a large portion of my entertainment. The list doesn't end here, but I don't want to waste your day laying out my sins.

I am not defending my actions in this thread, I'm merely condemning my fellows bad men/women who consider themselves above me, and at the same time suggesting that if anime translators want to profit from my/our evil ways, they need to adapt to me, because I represent their market. (or at least a large portion of it) The producers must adapt to the demands of the market, or at least they should if they want to make money.

 

[Legion]

Apparently the idea is that it's okay to watch animes on streaming sites until they are licensed outside of japan, then the site will delete the links and put up a message saying that the shows been licensed by so-and-so, please support the publishers.

And if the show is licensed, and if I have the money and see the box set in a store, I might buy it to fund the continuation of the studio who made the show in the first place.

Exactly. The reason I watch anime online is because in the UK it's impossible to buy most series due to the simple fact that they are not distributed here.

Code Geass for example came out about 3 years ago and yet we only have the first 13 episodes available to buy (there are 25), then we have the second series R2 which isn't available at all yet. The same goes for Darker Than Black. The second series is just coming onto TV in Japan but the first series isn't even halfway released in the UK yet.

It isn't like with music where CD's can work anywhere so importing it doesn't work. I can't get it from the US because it won't run on my dvd player (except my PC, but I'd prefer to watch it more comfortably) and Japan copies won't have English subtitles.

*snip*

See in my case I am one of those 1%. I know it's pirating, but until they give me the option to buy it then that's the only option.

I have bought the series Ergo Proxy in it's completion because it is available in the UK. I didn't even 'try it out' online first. I have only watched series online that I couldn't buy all of in the UK, once they are out, I will buy them if I wish to view them again.

I am not into Manga all that much but I read Elfen Lied online. Why? It's only been translated into Spanish so far.

 

[Amnestic]

The same goes for Darker Than Black. The second series is just coming onto TV in Japan but the first series isn't even halfway released in the UK yet.

Thank you for this. *dashes away*

 

[GloatingSwine]

If i want to support hayate no gotoku!, I'll give my money to the original team, not the liscensing company. hence my buying of imported dvd's. They get a sale, I get a dvd, liscensers and dubbers dont get my money, eveyone's happy.

If you really wanted to support it, you'd buy the original manga weeklies and collections. Even if you buy the DVDs from Japan what you're buying is a product licensed by an animation publisher from a manga publisher, neither of which is the original author of the work, and so the proportion of your money that actually reaches the original author is probably much the same. (since international distribution rights would have been paid for by the Japanese anime studio as well, so by buying a local version you would be paying for that.)

 

[Legion]

The same goes for Darker Than Black. The second series is just coming onto TV in Japan but the first series isn't even halfway released in the UK yet.

Thank you for this. *dashes away*

Like I said, I don't advocate pirating unless it's literally impossible to get it otherwise (that is, a copy that you can understand, with subs or dubs) but they are streaming it weekly online at the moment and are currently up to episode 2. Episode 3 should be up this Thursday. For obvious reasons I can't link you.

 

[Thaius]

Fact is, the Japanese don't care whether or not we Americans pay for their product. I know it sounds strange, but most of the money from American sales goes to the people selling it, not the people that made it. Not to mention it doesn't affect their thinking as to whether or not the anime should be taken to American audiences. Especially for the anime that wasn't taken over the America (not to mention the fact that English dubs usually suck), the easiest thing to do is just download it.

While we're at it, watch Clannad and its sequel series, After Story. I guarantee you will cry. Absolutely guarantee.

 

[stonethered]

[adult swim] saturday night lineup.

Shame we have to survive the hour of KotH before any of the good stuff comes on anymore.

 

[FROGGEman2]

I rent it, so I only ever get movies.

 

[LackofCertainty]

*snip*

See in my case I am one of those 1%. I know it's pirating, but until they give me the option to buy it then that's the only option.

I have bought the series Ergo Proxy in it's completion because it is available in the UK. I didn't even 'try it out' online first. I have only watched series online that I couldn't buy all of in the UK, once they are out, I will buy them if I wish to view them again.

Bolded the important part.

See, but that means you're not part of the .1%. In order to justify pirating as "not stealing" you have to buy everything that you look at online. No matter whether you want to watch it again, or even if you think the show was garbage.

Maybe you enjoyed the series, but it's not the greatest thing ever. You don't intend to ever watch it again, so you pass on the dvd's when they come out. Well that just means you are a bad man like me. You stole that show, by watching it online, and you didn't pay for it when it came out near you.

Did you watch the first episode of some series but stop immediatly, because you thought it was total shit? Too bad. You have to buy the first dvd of the series, or you're stealing that first episode from the company that eventually releases it in your country.

Welcome to the Brotherhood of Evil, my friend.

 

[Legion]

*snip*

See in my case I am one of those 1%. I know it's pirating, but until they give me the option to buy it then that's the only option.

I have bought the series Ergo Proxy in it's completion because it is available in the UK. I didn't even 'try it out' online first. I have only watched series online that I couldn't buy all of in the UK, once they are out, I will buy them if I wish to view them again.

Bolded the important part.

See, but that means you're not part of the .1%. In order to justify pirating as "not stealing" you have to buy everything that you look at online. No matter whether you want to watch it again, or even if you think the show was garbage.

Maybe you enjoyed the series, but it's not the greatest thing ever. You don't intend to ever watch it again, so you pass on the dvd's when they come out. Well that just means you are a bad man like me. You stole that show, by watching it online, and you didn't pay for it when it came out near you.

Did you watch the first episode of some series but stop immediatly, because you thought it was total shit? Too bad. You have to buy the first dvd of the series, or you're stealing that first episode from the company that eventually releases it in your country.

Welcome to the Brotherhood of Evil, my friend.

True in theory, but it is yet to happen. Every Anime I have watched I own on dvd or intend to buy when I can. I am not a huge anime fan in general you see so have only watched a select amount of shows.

 

[Pink_Pirate]

from what i've heard some japanese production companies actually support fansubbers and scanlators to an extent, because they help bring their series out to a wider audiance. I'm of course talking about the fact that once a tiny fraction of the anime produced in japan get released in english. The majority of the series i like are the kind which dont hold a commercial appeal to American licensing companies. There are the serious, mature series, or the very artistic oddball series and such, although it is changing, the general concensus is still that anime is just cartoons for kids. So yeah, i stream and download series, because its the only way im ever going to be able to watch them. That said there is nothing like the feeling of having your favourite series in full HD bluray to enjoy at home, so i do buy my favourite series when they are released.

 

[A random person]

I usually watch it online or occasionally through Netflix, the latter being the case with Scrapped Princess.

I view my anime accidently. If I am flipping through the channels looking for something to watch, I might land on an anime program, at which point, I quickly change the channel, and rinse my eyes out with bleach.

For the record, a lot of channels don't exactly have pristine anime selections. Maybe you should try browsing this site [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HomePage] for better show recommendations.

 

[MurderousToaster]

I watch some anime, Bleach and Naruto. But, whenever I'm on the site I use, the people on the chat seem a little bit... off. They seem to take all their life cues from the shows they watch, which I find odd.

 

[slopeslider]

If i want to support hayate no gotoku!, I'll give my money to the original team, not the liscensing company. hence my buying of imported dvd's. They get a sale, I get a dvd, liscensers and dubbers dont get my money, eveyone's happy.

If you really wanted to support it, you'd buy the original manga weeklies and collections. Even if you buy the DVDs from Japan what you're buying is a product licensed by an animation publisher from a manga publisher, neither of which is the original author of the work, and so the proportion of your money that actually reaches the original author is probably much the same. (since international distribution rights would have been paid for by the Japanese anime studio as well, so by buying a local version you would be paying for that.)

So either way the author doesn't get much. So the stereotype of super-poor mangaka isn't a lie? maybe I should just get his paypal and just give him a donation, it'd be more money than he'd get as residuals.

 

[Kenjitsuka]

I've spent thousands on Manga and Anime...
The prices here are astronomical.

The stuff I can't get; downy-loady!
Streaming... seriously? Get it in HD!!!

 

[UltraParanoia]

Can I steal your car? I can't afford to buy one.

If you can get it running, sure.

Most of that post was a joke, I forgot to mention it and fell asleep.
I bought all of my cds and all the music on my mp3 player, with anime, I download it and watch it. If I like it, I'll buy the dvds at some point, but if I don't like it I delete it and disregard it forever.

 

[gigastrike]

I used to pay for manga, but $8 for a 30 minute read didn't end up making much sense.

 

[Ancientgamer]

I download new series' as they are released in Japan. If there's one I like or wish to keep, I buy it when it becomes localized.


I'd never stream though, that's just bleh.