Poll: Anti-BioWare backlash?

[Epona]

How can a company that has to make money in order to exist, "sells out"? I never really understood that line of though.

Well, it's a good thing I know how to use Google. You should try it. Here's how:

- Open a new tab
- go to https://www.google.com/
- in the search box type "sell out"

Since I am nice though and want to make it easier for you, I will just drop the definition here:

Anyone who sacrifices artistic integrity in an effort to become more successful or popular (generally in music); someone who forgets their roots.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=sell%20out

You're welcome.

Instead of trying to be funny, you should read the other post I made.

I did and I wonder how naive you really are. Well, they must make money so they are permitted to do anything to reach that goal.

ME3 is part of a trilogy, to take the third game and shift the goalpost towards Kinect and multiplayer is just wrong. DA2 went in the wrong direction too considering it was the second game in a series designed to BRING BACK CLASSIC PC RPG GAMEPLAY. Bioware: "Let's take a series made for PC's and make the sequel for consoles and let's disable controller support for PC gamers making the console version the superior one".

There's more to it that just "they need to make money".

You call it being "naive" I call not being buthurted about trivial things. You can always try to run your own business tho.

Oh the classic "make a better game or don't complain" defense.

Hint: I am the consumer here, not the competition. I have a right to complain and I don't need to make a better game.

Bioware hasn't done right by it's fans and as a result many won't be giving Bioware any money for their latest releases. There is nothing wrong with talking about it and we don't all need to be business owners to have an opinion.

 

[Sabertooth]

How can a company that has to make money in order to exist, "sells out"? I never really understood that line of though.

Well, it's a good thing I know how to use Google. You should try it. Here's how:

- Open a new tab
- go to https://www.google.com/
- in the search box type "sell out"

Since I am nice though and want to make it easier for you, I will just drop the definition here:

Anyone who sacrifices artistic integrity in an effort to become more successful or popular (generally in music); someone who forgets their roots.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=sell%20out

You're welcome.

Instead of trying to be funny, you should read the other post I made.

I did and I wonder how naive you really are. Well, they must make money so they are permitted to do anything to reach that goal.

ME3 is part of a trilogy, to take the third game and shift the goalpost towards Kinect and multiplayer is just wrong. DA2 went in the wrong direction too considering it was the second game in a series designed to BRING BACK CLASSIC PC RPG GAMEPLAY. Bioware: "Let's take a series made for PC's and make the sequel for consoles and let's disable controller support for PC gamers making the console version the superior one".

There's more to it that just "they need to make money".

You call it being "naive" I call not being buthurted about trivial things. You can always try to run your own business tho.

Oh the classic "make a better game or don't complain" defense.

Hint: I am the consumer here, not the competition. I have a right to complain and I don't need to make a better game.

Bioware hasn't done right by it's fans and as a result many won't be giving Bioware any money for their latest releases. There is nothing wrong with talking about it and we don't all need to be business owners to have an opinion.

And the amount of people that will still buy games will still be superior to the "fans". It´s just a fact of life. You re perfectly free to not buy their games.

 

[Epona]

Why do people argue that since a business needs to make money, anything goes?

Surely when we're talking about a video game company, their decision to make game type A instead of game type B should be valid. We're not talking about them pumping toxic waste into our drinking water or anything. We're talking about gradients of variation in different RPGs.

What do you consider Bioware's "roots"?

How do you consider them to have abandoned said roots?

Um, what does this have to do with what you quoted?

 

[Uriain]

How can a company that has to make money in order to exist, "sells out"? I never really understood that line of though.

Well, it's a good thing I know how to use Google. You should try it. Here's how:

- Open a new tab
- go to https://www.google.com/
- in the search box type "sell out"

Since I am nice though and want to make it easier for you, I will just drop the definition here:

Anyone who sacrifices artistic integrity in an effort to become more successful or popular (generally in music); someone who forgets their roots.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=sell%20out

You're welcome.

Instead of trying to be funny, you should read the other post I made.

I did and I wonder how naive you really are. Well, they must make money so they are permitted to do anything to reach that goal.

ME3 is part of a trilogy, to take the third game and shift the goalpost towards Kinect and multiplayer is *IMO* just wrong. DA2 went *IMO* in the wrong direction too considering it was the second game in a series designed to BRING BACK CLASSIC PC RPG GAMEPLAY. Bioware: "Let's take a series made for PC's and make the sequel for consoles and let's disable controller support for PC gamers making the console version the superior one".

There's more to it that just "they need to make money".


Need I mention that instead of making KOTOR 3, they make a fuckin' MMO because that's where the money is?

Just fix'd a couple of your comments there with * marks.

There seems to be this big hangup on Kinect and Multiplayer.. when it doesnt effect the single player aspect. You dont NEED to use MP to complete the game. You dont NEED the kinect to complete the game. They are giving their user base more options, and enabling people who may not have liked previous games a new chance to jump in, and that is not a BAD thing.

Again, not saying you cant/shouldnt like or dislike a game.. but please realize that your opinion is just that, your opinion.. just like its my opnion that DAII was a good game, as I enjoyed the combat mechanics and flow.

I will admit however (since I personally got it for Xbox) the BS of locking out controllers on PC was SUPER lame... super super lame

 

[Epona]

How can a company that has to make money in order to exist, "sells out"? I never really understood that line of though.

Well, it's a good thing I know how to use Google. You should try it. Here's how:

- Open a new tab
- go to https://www.google.com/
- in the search box type "sell out"

Since I am nice though and want to make it easier for you, I will just drop the definition here:

Anyone who sacrifices artistic integrity in an effort to become more successful or popular (generally in music); someone who forgets their roots.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=sell%20out

You're welcome.

Instead of trying to be funny, you should read the other post I made.

I did and I wonder how naive you really are. Well, they must make money so they are permitted to do anything to reach that goal.

ME3 is part of a trilogy, to take the third game and shift the goalpost towards Kinect and multiplayer is just wrong. DA2 went in the wrong direction too considering it was the second game in a series designed to BRING BACK CLASSIC PC RPG GAMEPLAY. Bioware: "Let's take a series made for PC's and make the sequel for consoles and let's disable controller support for PC gamers making the console version the superior one".

There's more to it that just "they need to make money".

You call it being "naive" I call not being buthurted about trivial things. You can always try to run your own business tho.

Oh the classic "make a better game or don't complain" defense.

Hint: I am the consumer here, not the competition. I have a right to complain and I don't need to make a better game.

Bioware hasn't done right by it's fans and as a result many won't be giving Bioware any money for their latest releases. There is nothing wrong with talking about it and we don't all need to be business owners to have an opinion.

And the amount of people that will still buy games will still be superior to the "fans". It´s just a fact of life. You re perfectly free to not buy their games.

..and I am perfectly free to complain about their games too.

How many people really wanted another MMO? How many would have preferred KOTOR 3? Did they care?

 

[Twilight_guy]

My opinion of them hasn't changed. In fact I haven't heard anything that bad about them. If you want to see mindless hate go to news stories about EA and read the posts there.

 

[BloatedGuppy]

Um, what does this have to do with what you quoted?

Surely you're capable of remembering a post you made like, 20 minutes ago?

You want to apply urban dictionary's definition of "selling out" to Bioware.

How have they abandoned their roots, exactly?

 

[Sabertooth]

How can a company that has to make money in order to exist, "sells out"? I never really understood that line of though.

Well, it's a good thing I know how to use Google. You should try it. Here's how:

- Open a new tab
- go to https://www.google.com/
- in the search box type "sell out"

Since I am nice though and want to make it easier for you, I will just drop the definition here:

Anyone who sacrifices artistic integrity in an effort to become more successful or popular (generally in music); someone who forgets their roots.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=sell%20out

You're welcome.

Instead of trying to be funny, you should read the other post I made.

I did and I wonder how naive you really are. Well, they must make money so they are permitted to do anything to reach that goal.

ME3 is part of a trilogy, to take the third game and shift the goalpost towards Kinect and multiplayer is just wrong. DA2 went in the wrong direction too considering it was the second game in a series designed to BRING BACK CLASSIC PC RPG GAMEPLAY. Bioware: "Let's take a series made for PC's and make the sequel for consoles and let's disable controller support for PC gamers making the console version the superior one".

There's more to it that just "they need to make money".

You call it being "naive" I call not being buthurted about trivial things. You can always try to run your own business tho.

Oh the classic "make a better game or don't complain" defense.

Hint: I am the consumer here, not the competition. I have a right to complain and I don't need to make a better game.

Bioware hasn't done right by it's fans and as a result many won't be giving Bioware any money for their latest releases. There is nothing wrong with talking about it and we don't all need to be business owners to have an opinion.

And the amount of people that will still buy games will still be superior to the "fans". It´s just a fact of life. You re perfectly free to not buy their games.

..and I am perfectly free to complain about their games too.

How many people really wanted another MMO? How many would have preferred KOTOR 3? Did they care?

Let´s, I played Kotor 1 and 2. So Kotor 3 never came out. Shrugs, life goes on, I would have found another thing to keep me interested. If other people want to play MMO, more power to them. I don´t really care about WoW and think the art style is cartoonish and the game boring, but I don´t say Blizzard has "sold out" or anything like it. I just don´t play the game, but I also realize that with the am mount of millions that play the game, my vote is meaningless. In all it´s just a waste of air, just like bitching about say.. Twilight or such.

 

[BloatedGuppy]

My opinion of them hasn't changed. In fact I haven't heard anything that bad about them. If you want to see mindless hate go to news stories about EA and read the posts there.

EA can have my respect back when they give me back Origin and Ultima. Bastards.

 

[Epona]

How can a company that has to make money in order to exist, "sells out"? I never really understood that line of though.

Well, it's a good thing I know how to use Google. You should try it. Here's how:

- Open a new tab
- go to https://www.google.com/
- in the search box type "sell out"

Since I am nice though and want to make it easier for you, I will just drop the definition here:

Anyone who sacrifices artistic integrity in an effort to become more successful or popular (generally in music); someone who forgets their roots.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=sell%20out

You're welcome.

Instead of trying to be funny, you should read the other post I made.

I did and I wonder how naive you really are. Well, they must make money so they are permitted to do anything to reach that goal.

ME3 is part of a trilogy, to take the third game and shift the goalpost towards Kinect and multiplayer is *IMO* just wrong. DA2 went *IMO* in the wrong direction too considering it was the second game in a series designed to BRING BACK CLASSIC PC RPG GAMEPLAY. Bioware: "Let's take a series made for PC's and make the sequel for consoles and let's disable controller support for PC gamers making the console version the superior one".

There's more to it that just "they need to make money".


Need I mention that instead of making KOTOR 3, they make a fuckin' MMO because that's where the money is?

Just fix'd a couple of your comments there with * marks.

There seems to be this big hangup on Kinect and Multiplayer.. when it doesnt effect the single player aspect. You dont NEED to use MP to complete the game. You dont NEED the kinect to complete the game. They are giving their user base more options, and enabling people who may not have liked previous games a new chance to jump in, and that is not a BAD thing.

Again, not saying you cant/shouldnt like or dislike a game.. but please realize that your opinion is just that, your opinion.. just like its my opnion that DAII was a good game, as I enjoyed the combat mechanics and flow.

I will admit however (since I personally got it for Xbox) the BS of locking out controllers on PC was SUPER lame... super super lame

Yeah, everything ported from console to PC should have controller support. I mean, it's more work to disable the controls than just to leave them in there. I remember talking about this on Biowares forums right after DA2 came out and they basically said that the PC version should only support PC specific controls. That PC's could have both was obviously not an option worth considering for Bioware. It's the same way with all their other games too.

Other companies don't seem to mind giving PC players the choice.

 

[Epona]

How can a company that has to make money in order to exist, "sells out"? I never really understood that line of though.

Well, it's a good thing I know how to use Google. You should try it. Here's how:

- Open a new tab
- go to https://www.google.com/
- in the search box type "sell out"

Since I am nice though and want to make it easier for you, I will just drop the definition here:

Anyone who sacrifices artistic integrity in an effort to become more successful or popular (generally in music); someone who forgets their roots.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=sell%20out

You're welcome.

Instead of trying to be funny, you should read the other post I made.

I did and I wonder how naive you really are. Well, they must make money so they are permitted to do anything to reach that goal.

ME3 is part of a trilogy, to take the third game and shift the goalpost towards Kinect and multiplayer is just wrong. DA2 went in the wrong direction too considering it was the second game in a series designed to BRING BACK CLASSIC PC RPG GAMEPLAY. Bioware: "Let's take a series made for PC's and make the sequel for consoles and let's disable controller support for PC gamers making the console version the superior one".

There's more to it that just "they need to make money".

You call it being "naive" I call not being buthurted about trivial things. You can always try to run your own business tho.

Oh the classic "make a better game or don't complain" defense.

Hint: I am the consumer here, not the competition. I have a right to complain and I don't need to make a better game.

Bioware hasn't done right by it's fans and as a result many won't be giving Bioware any money for their latest releases. There is nothing wrong with talking about it and we don't all need to be business owners to have an opinion.

And the amount of people that will still buy games will still be superior to the "fans". It´s just a fact of life. You re perfectly free to not buy their games.

..and I am perfectly free to complain about their games too.

How many people really wanted another MMO? How many would have preferred KOTOR 3? Did they care?

Let´s, I played Kotor 1 and 2. So Kotor 3 never came out. Shrugs, life goes on, I would have found another thing to keep me interested. If other people want to play MMO, more power to them. I don´t really care about WoW and think the art style is cartoonish and the game boring, but I don´t say Blizzard has "sold out" or anything like it. I just don´t play the game, but I also realize that with the am mount of millions that play the game, my vote is meaningless. In all it´s just a waste of air, just like bitching about say.. Twilight or such.

It's fine that you're passive but we are here to discuss these things.

Blizzard did sell out, people wanted another Warcraft RTS and they got an MMO. You can't do anything about it but there's nothing wrong with having an opinion and discussing it on a gaming forum.

Want another example, nobody want Age of Empires Online, people wanted Age of Empires 4. Guess what we got?

I hope we get a Fallout 4 instead of a Fallout MMO.

Bioware has just played "follow the leader". Suppose no one complained, would that have prevented an MMO instead of a full game. Will complaints today prevent a Fallout MMO or an Uncharted MMO?

 

[Epona]

Um, what does this have to do with what you quoted?

Surely you're capable of remembering a post you made like, 20 minutes ago?

You want to apply urban dictionary's definition of "selling out" to Bioware.

How have they abandoned their roots, exactly?

By taking the "mainstream" path over the wishes of their fans.

Most people didn't like the changes from ME1 to ME2. Likewise, most people didn't like the changes from DAO to DA2. Most people would have preferred a KOTOR 3 instead of another MMO.

Selling out means abandoning the fans that made you successful.

 

[Epona]

Um, what does this have to do with what you quoted?

Surely you're capable of remembering a post you made like, 20 minutes ago?

You want to apply urban dictionary's definition of "selling out" to Bioware.

How have they abandoned their roots, exactly?

By taking the "mainstream" path over the wishes of their fans.

Most people didn't like the changes from ME1 to ME2. Likewise, most people didn't like the changes from DAO to DA2. Most people would have preferred a KOTOR 3 instead of another MMO.

Selling out means abandoning the fans that made you successful.

 

[Sabertooth]

How can a company that has to make money in order to exist, "sells out"? I never really understood that line of though.

Well, it's a good thing I know how to use Google. You should try it. Here's how:

- Open a new tab
- go to https://www.google.com/
- in the search box type "sell out"

Since I am nice though and want to make it easier for you, I will just drop the definition here:

Anyone who sacrifices artistic integrity in an effort to become more successful or popular (generally in music); someone who forgets their roots.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=sell%20out

You're welcome.

Instead of trying to be funny, you should read the other post I made.

I did and I wonder how naive you really are. Well, they must make money so they are permitted to do anything to reach that goal.

ME3 is part of a trilogy, to take the third game and shift the goalpost towards Kinect and multiplayer is just wrong. DA2 went in the wrong direction too considering it was the second game in a series designed to BRING BACK CLASSIC PC RPG GAMEPLAY. Bioware: "Let's take a series made for PC's and make the sequel for consoles and let's disable controller support for PC gamers making the console version the superior one".

There's more to it that just "they need to make money".

You call it being "naive" I call not being buthurted about trivial things. You can always try to run your own business tho.

Oh the classic "make a better game or don't complain" defense.

Hint: I am the consumer here, not the competition. I have a right to complain and I don't need to make a better game.

Bioware hasn't done right by it's fans and as a result many won't be giving Bioware any money for their latest releases. There is nothing wrong with talking about it and we don't all need to be business owners to have an opinion.

And the amount of people that will still buy games will still be superior to the "fans". It´s just a fact of life. You re perfectly free to not buy their games.

..and I am perfectly free to complain about their games too.

How many people really wanted another MMO? How many would have preferred KOTOR 3? Did they care?

Let´s, I played Kotor 1 and 2. So Kotor 3 never came out. Shrugs, life goes on, I would have found another thing to keep me interested. If other people want to play MMO, more power to them. I don´t really care about WoW and think the art style is cartoonish and the game boring, but I don´t say Blizzard has "sold out" or anything like it. I just don´t play the game, but I also realize that with the am mount of millions that play the game, my vote is meaningless. In all it´s just a waste of air, just like bitching about say.. Twilight or such.

It's fine that you're passive but we are here to discuss these things.

Blizzard did sell out, people wanted another Warcraft RTS and they got an MMO. You can't do anything about it but there's nothing wrong with having an opinion and discussing it on a gaming forum.

Want another example, nobody want Age of Empires Online, people wanted Age of Empires 4. Guess what we got?

I hope we get a Fallout 4 instead of a Fallout MMO.

Bioware has just played "follow the leader". Suppose no one complained, would that have prevented an MMO instead of a full game. Will complaints today prevent a Fallout MMO or an Uncharted MMO?

Do you charts or polls that truly shows what the majority want? How can you say with certainty that "nobody wants" a Age of Empires online or a Fallout MMO?

"Most people" is being very vague.

 

[Epona]

How can a company that has to make money in order to exist, "sells out"? I never really understood that line of though.

Well, it's a good thing I know how to use Google. You should try it. Here's how:

- Open a new tab
- go to https://www.google.com/
- in the search box type "sell out"

Since I am nice though and want to make it easier for you, I will just drop the definition here:

Anyone who sacrifices artistic integrity in an effort to become more successful or popular (generally in music); someone who forgets their roots.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=sell%20out

You're welcome.

Instead of trying to be funny, you should read the other post I made.

I did and I wonder how naive you really are. Well, they must make money so they are permitted to do anything to reach that goal.

ME3 is part of a trilogy, to take the third game and shift the goalpost towards Kinect and multiplayer is just wrong. DA2 went in the wrong direction too considering it was the second game in a series designed to BRING BACK CLASSIC PC RPG GAMEPLAY. Bioware: "Let's take a series made for PC's and make the sequel for consoles and let's disable controller support for PC gamers making the console version the superior one".

There's more to it that just "they need to make money".

You call it being "naive" I call not being buthurted about trivial things. You can always try to run your own business tho.

Oh the classic "make a better game or don't complain" defense.

Hint: I am the consumer here, not the competition. I have a right to complain and I don't need to make a better game.

Bioware hasn't done right by it's fans and as a result many won't be giving Bioware any money for their latest releases. There is nothing wrong with talking about it and we don't all need to be business owners to have an opinion.

And the amount of people that will still buy games will still be superior to the "fans". It´s just a fact of life. You re perfectly free to not buy their games.

..and I am perfectly free to complain about their games too.

How many people really wanted another MMO? How many would have preferred KOTOR 3? Did they care?

Let´s, I played Kotor 1 and 2. So Kotor 3 never came out. Shrugs, life goes on, I would have found another thing to keep me interested. If other people want to play MMO, more power to them. I don´t really care about WoW and think the art style is cartoonish and the game boring, but I don´t say Blizzard has "sold out" or anything like it. I just don´t play the game, but I also realize that with the am mount of millions that play the game, my vote is meaningless. In all it´s just a waste of air, just like bitching about say.. Twilight or such.

It's fine that you're passive but we are here to discuss these things.

Blizzard did sell out, people wanted another Warcraft RTS and they got an MMO. You can't do anything about it but there's nothing wrong with having an opinion and discussing it on a gaming forum.

Want another example, nobody want Age of Empires Online, people wanted Age of Empires 4. Guess what we got?

I hope we get a Fallout 4 instead of a Fallout MMO.

Bioware has just played "follow the leader". Suppose no one complained, would that have prevented an MMO instead of a full game. Will complaints today prevent a Fallout MMO or an Uncharted MMO?

Do you charts or polls that truly shows what the majority want? How can you say with certainty that "nobody wants" a Age of Empires online or a Fallout MMO?

No charts or polls, just look around the internet. Go look on the Age of Empires online website, go look on Bethesdas site.

 

[BloatedGuppy]

Blizzard did sell out, people wanted another Warcraft RTS and they got an MMO. You can't do anything about it but there's nothing wrong with having an opinion and discussing it on a gaming forum.

Want another example, nobody want Age of Empires Online, people wanted Age of Empires 4. Guess what we got?

What is this rubbish? Who are these "people"? Do you have some kind of graph or chart illustrating all these "people" who wanted another RTS, but not a MMO?

"Nobody wanted X! Everyone wanted Y!"

I feel like I shouldn't even need to point out why what you're saying here is ridiculous.

Your personal biases and predilections for certain genres and eras are just that, personal.

 

[gigastrike]

I think what made them great is still there, but they're starting to go in a direction that I'd rather them not. I just hope they realize that soon.

 

[Weaver]

I liked them when they made games instead of DLC Platforms.

 

[BloatedGuppy]

By taking the "mainstream" path over the wishes of their fans.

Most people didn't like the changes from ME1 to ME2. Likewise, most people didn't like the changes from DAO to DA2. Most people would have preferred a KOTOR 3 instead of another MMO.

Selling out means abandoning the fans that made you successful.

Most people. Most people.

There's literally no response to this. Can I see the metric you're using, other than RAGING CONFIRMATION BIAS?

 

[Epona]

Blizzard did sell out, people wanted another Warcraft RTS and they got an MMO. You can't do anything about it but there's nothing wrong with having an opinion and discussing it on a gaming forum.

Want another example, nobody want Age of Empires Online, people wanted Age of Empires 4. Guess what we got?

What is this rubbish? Who are these "people"? Do you have some kind of graph or chart illustrating all these "people" who wanted another RTS, but not a MMO?

"Nobody wanted X! Everyone wanted Y!"

I feel like I shouldn't even need to point out why what you're saying here is ridiculous.

Your personal biases and predilections for certain genres and eras are just that, personal.

NO FUCKIN GRAPHS OR POLLS. IF THAT IS REQUIRED TO HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH BIOWARE ASSKISSERS THAN I AM DONE HERE.