Poll: Anyone else hate the Skyrim animal races?

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Mikeyfell

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I only ever play the animal races.
More than Half of my oblivion characters are Kahjiit.

I don't like the human races they seem redundant. Nords and Orcs, what's the difference. Who plays Breton when elf's do what they do better.

I was a little ticked off that there weren't any marriageable Kahjiit's in Skyrim.
(I know the marriage aspect was token and shallow, but still)
 

CharrHearted

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http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/comics/critical-miss/9225-Highlanders-Anonymous

That is all my friend.

Also, I like the anthro races myself.
 

Patrick Buck

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Zhukov said:
You made it so answering the question in the thread title gives the opposite result to answering the question above the poll. I hate it when people do that. Now you don't know which question people are answering in the poll.

Moving on...

No, I do not like the animal races in Skyrim. For one, they're rather uninventive. Dress it up however you like, they're just cat-people and lizard-people.

Secondly, they look ridiculous. Human models with different heads stuck on top and tails tacked on the back. Would it have been so hard to make and animate some proper bodies... oh wait, this is Bethesda we're talking about, never mind.

Lastly, the Argonian faces look derp-tastic.


Note to self: Do not run a google image search for "argonian" with safesearch turned off. Yeesh.
I was interested. So I did run a google search.
Now I have to find the brain bleach.
And it's put me off the bloody things now. Eurgh. :/
 

mechman123

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I don't have anything against them as this is a fantasy setting and from what i have read they do some explaining of why. I also think that the two races look a hell of a lot better in this game than in oblivion, particularly the argonians. That said i also feel that the creators of the series were a wee-bit on the lazy side or uncreative when i found out that the dwarves are really just elves that live underground, but hey i guess they didn't want to use the classical stout version of dwarves. I would personally really like to see some RPGs where there was more than just the standard fantasy races as character options, and more specifically i would like to see some diversity in the actual body types available. For example I wouldn't mind playing as a centaur type creature or some snake human hybrid that slithers. Something that is noticeably different. Yes that would likely causes some problems regarding physical actions they could preform or equipment they could wear or where they could go, but trying new paths and ways of playing is part of the RPG genre. Plus if you want to avoid the shoe problem on a race that doesn't wear shoes, there are always other alternatives. "Are you half horse? Use Horse shoes! Do you slither along the ground, here have a tail decoration! Both can serve the same function as a foot item slot."
 

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I'm sure this has been said in some capacity, but Bethesda didn't just throw them in there to placate the furries or something. They've been in TES since Arena, and if you actually want to get into the ridiculously complex backstory of the series they're very ingrained into the setting. Suffice to say their origins were explicitly magical, and they didn't evolve in the same manner the other races did.

That said, the devs could have gone above and beyond "cat-people" and lizard-people", considering the remarkable creativity shown in much of the setting. And I do wish we'd actually see a little more of the culture they supposedly have, because they've dressed and lived in the same way as all the other races in every game so far. They're pretty one-dimensional at the moment. Although now that Argonians are apparently a major power, perhaps we'll be able to see more of that.
 

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Lilani said:
I'm a Khajiit. Cha gunna do bout it?

I like the animal races simply because they take a step away from the traditional Tolkien-esque worlds and mix it up a bit.

OOH, an elf! SO ORIGINAL!

Although I do agree with you that they could add a few extra things, like different physiques/features.
 

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Kajhiits can go get hit by a car, every last one of them.

Argonians however are dinosaurs, they are my absolute favourites because dinosaurs.
 

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What's funny is that I made this same argument, but in reverse. I feel like the "animal" races are more interesting than the "pick random human with _______ features" that all the other races have. I mean, seriously. What is a major difference between Nord and Imperial besides allegiance? They're aesthetically the same.

Now, that being said, I wish the animal races were more...animal like and not just an animal skin on a human body. THAT would make them more radass, but even as they are, I prefer them to run of the mill regular humans.
 

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Are you asking why the aminals in Skyrim are humanoid but covered in fur? I'm going to say it's because Skyrim is a tundra.

Also, it would be really difficult and unnecessary to try to control an animal who walks on all fours when you're trying to use a sword and shield.
 

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I wanted to be a Khajiit for the enhanced sneak, but the weird cat feautures just threw me off of the class. I really cant stand how they and the Argonians look
 

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And to add some furry-perspective to it all, here comes I. (Disclaimer: furry as in likes anthropomorphic animal characters, I wouldn't be caught dead anywhere near a suit, unless I'm robbing a bank)
Khajiits and Argonians have been around since pretty much day one, long before there even were some sort of underground fur-lobby to placate to up the sales.
Yes, it's true they looked a bit more defined in Morrowind, and although I think it was a nice attempt... It just looked awful. Stick up the butt-awful. So reverting back to regularly jointed legs was probably for the best. It looks a bit less special, but... It doesn't look "special", either.

Also, on the subject of the Argonian lassies. I haven't actually researched that, myself, but do they actually lay eggs? If they actually do, I can agree with their breasts being rather unnecessary. Or it could just be aestetics over sense, which is honestly a fair trade in fantasy for me.
And with that out of the way, let's go to what I suspect is the crux of the situation, one of the main irritations: the sexualization. And let's just get that out there. If the realization that someone might find something attractive bothers you, then you should really just delete Skyrim off your harddrive, along with most other games. And trust me, less people are going to be drooling over Ms. Lion as there are people drooling over Bretons and Nord lassies and whatnot. Hell, somewhere in this world of ours, someone is likely turned on by your coffee brewer, or your vaccuum. Such is our world, always has been and always will be.

And what does it matter? You've got dragons to kill and graves to rob!

AppleShrapnel said:
This one thinks the op needs to jump off a mountain. Khajiit could push you, if you wish... :3
Zhere'Khan will be down the valley to gather the loot, yes?

Yokai said:
That said, the devs could have gone above and beyond "cat-people" and lizard-people", considering the remarkable creativity shown in much of the setting. And I do wish we'd actually see a little more of the culture they supposedly have, because they've dressed and lived in the same way as all the other races in every game so far. They're pretty one-dimensional at the moment. Although now that Argonians are apparently a major power, perhaps we'll be able to see more of that.
Aye, that's my hope as well. While Elsweyr is a rather unlikely candidate (consisting of two Thalmor puppet-states and so utterly weird and messed up according to the fluff that it'd be -very- difficult to do justice in game-form), Black Marsh seems a rather inviting target.

Speaking of... Heh. I get a warm, big grin on my face each time I stumble into more Dunmer refugees. "See, ash-eaters?! That's how it feels like!!"
 

Char-Nobyl

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xPixelatedx said:
I was just showing an example of how those legs could work, I did not say that the beast races should necessarily become dinosaurs. I also don't think it's right to assume they would need to meet the exact same requirements to have two legs like that, given that dinosaurs were creatures of gargantuan mass.
...and why would that be? There are plenty of mammals with back-canted legs. So why don't humans have them, too?

xPixelatedx said:
Here is a better video.
I will admit, yes, that is a better video. But that's what people call 'damning with faint praise.'

xPixelatedx said:
I am actually surprised that the dog is able to even hop and skip, and dogs aren't even designed to do this.
Wow! It's almost as if living creatures are able to compensate for disabilities, which should in no way be confused with naturally being adept at doing something.

xPixelatedx said:
I would have loved the Kahjiit to be a bit more like this (technically they were in morrowind).
You'd have loved for them to walk like crippled dogs?

xPixelatedx said:
I do however acknowledge that an animal who has legs and walks like this probably would not be able to outright run this way. But if their overall body design is still very animal like, I don't see why they can't get on all fours and floor-it.
...right, here's the thing: that dog doesn't walk on two legs because it wants to. And did you notice how it never actually stopped and stood still? It was always walking, however slowly, and when it did stop it was to crouch or something. It never stood still and upright because back-canted legs are terrible at keeping things balanced and upright. At least sharks have evolutionary reasons for the 'never stop moving' thing. This dog? From the look of it, it was born without front legs, and the fact that it's alive today is the exact opposite of evolution in action.

xPixelatedx said:
Technically speaking, if that dog was somehow given working front legs, it could still walk upright if it wanted to, but then it would also be able to run alongside any other dog on all fours. That would have been a good design for Kahjiits.
It would be a terrible design. Here's a fun historical fact: Franklin Roosevelt was, as I assume you know, wheelchair bound for most of his life. As a result, it was observed that he had the upper body strength of a boxer, but his legs were unable to support him without steel braces.

Now apply that here. That dog can only reliably walk on two legs because it had a choice between learning to do that or dying, and even then, your average child has a better sense of balance than Faith does. In fact, take a look at that video, look past the adorable puppy and inspiring whatever, and ask yourself one question: in a state of nature, would Faith be good at being a dog?

The answer is a resounding 'NO.' She can't run, she can't hunt, she can't keep balance, and in general, she's what Darwin would call an evolutionary dead-end. Limbs that are good for running are rarely as good at manipulating objects, hence why our feet don't look like hands. And, oh, look, she doesn't even have hands, either.

So, remind me again: why would kahjiit evolve to walk upright with legs that aren't built for walking upright, and then still have forelimbs that allow them to run on all fours? And for the record, the body structure of a quadruped isn't interchangeable with that of a biped. You can't switch out arms for legs or vise versa and expect optimal performance in either. Quite the opposite, actually. You'd get horrific joint damage in a reasonably short time. As crass as it sounds, I imagine Faith has/will have quite a few medical bills pertaining to her hind legs.
 

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RamirezDoEverything said:
Lilani said:
I'm a Khajiit. Cha gunna do bout it?

I like the animal races simply because they take a step away from the traditional Tolkien-esque worlds and mix it up a bit.

OOH, an elf! SO ORIGINAL!

Although I do agree with you that they could add a few extra things, like different physiques/features.
Especially since the elves look like space aliens now. And apparently they only contributed their awesome magic genes to the Bretons, who ended up just looking like western Europeans instead of the half-elves they're often touted as.
 

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I think the Khajiit are ascetically pleasing _._
Good, because if you found them indulgently pleasing, we'd all point and laugh at you and call you a furry.

OT: Uncanny valley will not help the fuzzy-wuzzy scaly-waly monster hybrids as the graphics improve.