Poll: Architects launch crowdfunding to build Minas Tirith, Orcs launch Crowdfunding to destroy it

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Albino Boo

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A group of architects have launched a crowdfunding programme to raise the £1.85 billion (yes you heard me £1.85 billion) needed to build a full size version of Minas Tirith. https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/realise-minas-tirith#/story


This has caused the servants of the Dark Lord to retaliate and launch a crowdfunding programme of their own to buy shiny pointy things to destroy Minas Tirith.
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/destroy-minas-tirith#/story
 

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I would love to see it get built and then every year people can register to dress up and to either siege it or defend it. I think that would be pretty awesome to see and do. It would be expensive and never happen but still, would be cool to see and do.
 

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I'm with the Orcs, the movie version of the city was a terrible design. Especially the nice flat featureless plain surrounding the place for orcs to mass armies on.

Nobody thought to dig a ditch of put up some pointy sticks? For that matter, nobody tried growing any crops or anything?
 

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From the fundraising page:

Please only donate within your means, and in the knowledge that this project is a light-hearted venture with virtually no chance of succeeding.
Well at least they're being reasonable with their unreasonableness. Maybe they should have gone for a smaller scale replica that could have hosted Tolkien version Renaissance fairs and been a tourist attraction.

Also, poor Orcs. For 19 pounds all they're gonna be able to afford is a few prison shivs.

In all 'seriousness' the Orc counter fundraiser is hilarious and props to who ever came up with that.
 

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I wonder what happens if they actually reached their funding goals. I mean, they won't. Still, I'm curious if they would be under any obligation to finish it in the event they actually end up succeeding.
 

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If they both reach their goals, does that mean they don't have to do anything at all?
 
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TheFrost said:
I wonder what happens if they actually reached their funding goals. I mean, they won't. Still, I'm curious if they would be under any obligation to finish it in the event they actually end up succeeding.
I think that you could make a good argument for them committing massive fraud if they didn't go forward with it, especially as legal systems have a long history with real estate scams.

What I find funny is that for £100,000 you don't even get a residence in the city, only priority on property purchases. Though you do get a seat on the Executive Committee, so I guess you can use your horse-drawn carriage to commute (horses and carriage not provided). Meanwhile, for a mere £100 to the other project you get to command a unit of orcs, and for £100,000 you can ride on a Fellbeast.

Honestly, Evil has a much better benefits package.
 

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TheFrost said:
I wonder what happens if they actually reached their funding goals. I mean, they won't. Still, I'm curious if they would be under any obligation to finish it in the event they actually end up succeeding.
All you have to do to answer that question is look at Anita Sarkeesian, here we are several years after the anticipated finish date and she has yet to deliver on her initial promised episodes not even mentioning the ones promised by in the stretch goals.
 
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thaluikhain said:
I'm with the Orcs, the movie version of the city was a terrible design. Especially the nice flat featureless plain surrounding the place for orcs to mass armies on.

Nobody thought to dig a ditch of put up some pointy sticks? For that matter, nobody tried growing any crops or anything?
I like to imagine that on the far side of the mountain was a fertile plain, fed by clean rainwater and safe from the ash-tainted winds blowing from Mordor. On the pointy sticks question, it has been a long time since they were in a proper war (no previous defenses), Osgiliath seemed to be holding, and Denethor was crazy anyways and not a good commander.

Or maybe Jackson just wanted nice set-pieces.
 

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Brown_Coat117 said:
TheFrost said:
I wonder what happens if they actually reached their funding goals. I mean, they won't. Still, I'm curious if they would be under any obligation to finish it in the event they actually end up succeeding.
All you have to do to answer that question is look at Anita Sarkeesian, here we are several years after the anticipated finish date and she has yet to deliver on her initial promised episodes not even mentioning the ones promised by in the stretch goals.
Oh, can we not? Do you people seriously have to bring this into EVERY fucking discussion? They could make a thread about potato salad, and GG will find an excuse to complain about Sarkeesian. I seriously hope she becomes the advisor, producer, and script writer for every game you love.

If Sarkeesian is still in business, it's because no one cares. No one cares.

OT: I imagine the orcs are much more fun to party with. Beer and metal music for everyone!
 

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thaluikhain said:
I'm with the Orcs, the movie version of the city was a terrible design. Especially the nice flat featureless plain surrounding the place for orcs to mass armies on.
But the walls are too strong! Nothing can breach it!

Grond will breach it.

Bring up the wolf's head!

Ah, nothing but good fun...Oh look, Anita comments...REALLY GUYS!?
 

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thaluikhain said:
I'm with the Orcs, the movie version of the city was a terrible design. Especially the nice flat featureless plain surrounding the place for orcs to mass armies on.

Nobody thought to dig a ditch of put up some pointy sticks? For that matter, nobody tried growing any crops or anything?
Eh, to be fair, about the only difference between book and movie versions of Minas Tirith is the first wall being pitch black and something like twenty feet higher and thicker. But of course the humies are too stupid to realize their gates are made out of balsa wood...

erttheking said:
thaluikhain said:
I'm with the Orcs, the movie version of the city was a terrible design. Especially the nice flat featureless plain surrounding the place for orcs to mass armies on.
But the walls are too strong! Nothing can breach it!

Grond will breach it.

Bring up the wolf's head!

Ah, nothing but good fun...Oh look, Anita comments...REALLY GUYS!?
Hey, it's crowdfunding and people are talking about them not being able to keep their goal promises, and in alot of ways, she's the posterchild for that. I mean, she is like three years overdue on her vids...Honestly it's sorta relevant.

Though there's also the Game Dev Hero thing from a few years ago that said it would teach you how to build a game while you played a game. But then again, that really didn't get nearly the same amount of exposure before or after the Kickstarter guys ran off with the money.
 

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Ugh, Sarkeesian? Can we like, not?

This thing will never get funded, but if it does I'm sure they'll make a stab at it. They may not finish it. (odd architecture projects are prkne to major cost blowouts, and unless these people are quite experienced, they'll have issues with a project this big).

I have certainly seen some kickstarters struggle after being funded, but I've backed some risky, expensive things, and everyone I backed delivered what they promised eventually.
(OK, so the enterprise D bridge restoration hasn't finished the actual bridge restoration yet, but they probably vastly underestimated the difficulty, and got sidetracked building a sci-fi museum with investor finance)

Complex projects can definitely happen. Crowdfunding is not doomed to be a rip-off...

Thunderous Cacophony said:
TheFrost said:
I wonder what happens if they actually reached their funding goals. I mean, they won't. Still, I'm curious if they would be under any obligation to finish it in the event they actually end up succeeding.
I think that you could make a good argument for them committing massive fraud if they didn't go forward with it, especially as legal systems have a long history with real estate scams.

What I find funny is that for £100,000 you don't even get a residence in the city, only priority on property purchases. Though you do get a seat on the Executive Committee, so I guess you can use your horse-drawn carriage to commute (horses and carriage not provided). Meanwhile, for a mere £100 to the other project you get to command a unit of orcs, and for £100,000 you can ride on a Fellbeast.

Honestly, Evil has a much better benefits package.
British property is expensive at tye best of times. Where I lived, you stood pretty much no chance of actually buying a property for less than 300,000 pounds...
And this is a pretty odd, and likely expensive site if it did end up being built...
 

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thaluikhain said:
I'm with the Orcs, the movie version of the city was a terrible design. Especially the nice flat featureless plain surrounding the place for orcs to mass armies on.

Nobody thought to dig a ditch of put up some pointy sticks? For that matter, nobody tried growing any crops or anything?
You mean the flat plains that provide absolutely no cover from catapults launched from within the safety of the city's walls? And that leave said army vulnerable to a cavalry charge from Rohan, who is honor-bound to aid in Gondor's defense? The one surrounded by the great wall of Rammas Echor, specifically designed to fend off invasion? ANNNND that lies between the river city of Osgiliath and Minas Tirith, meaning an army would need to conquer Osgiliath first (no easy task) in order to avoid being sandwiched by Gondor's army? THAT PLAIN???
 

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Kolby Jack said:
You mean the flat plains that provide absolutely no cover from catapults launched from within the safety of the city's walls? And that leave said army vulnerable to a cavalry charge from Rohan, who is honor-bound to aid in Gondor's defense? The one surrounded by the great wall of Rammas Echor, specifically designed to fend off invasion? ANNNND that lies between the river city of Osgiliath and Minas Tirith, meaning an army would need to conquer Osgiliath first (no easy task) in order to avoid being sandwiched by Gondor's army? THAT PLAIN???
Surrounding your city with pointed sticks and ditches does not help the enemy. That's why you keep seeing this done in reality. There's a very good reason why the stereotypical castle has a moat or ditch (or several) surrounding it.

Also, yes, they have to go through Osgiliath first. But they knew Osgiliath was at risk for some time, they didn't seem to do anything to improve the defences. Also, if they are so sure they won't be attacked, why are they building those giant walls and sticking catapults on them.
 

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Thunderous Cacophony said:
What I find funny is that for £100,000 you don't even get a residence in the city, only priority on property purchases. Though you do get a seat on the Executive Committee, so I guess you can use your horse-drawn carriage to commute (horses and carriage not provided). Meanwhile, for a mere £100 to the other project you get to command a unit of orcs, and for £100,000 you can ride on a Fellbeast.

Honestly, Evil has a much better benefits package.
£100k will just about buy you a building plot with planning permission to erect a dwelling. The UK has 64 million people living in roughly an oblong 800 miles long by 200 miles wide. Building land is very expensive.

TheFrost said:
I wonder what happens if they actually reached their funding goals. I mean, they won't. Still, I'm curious if they would be under any obligation to finish it in the event they actually end up succeeding.
They will need planning permission to build. Its very unlikely that they will get permission to build something on that scale. Typically new major settlements have come about after an act of parliament, the last being 40 odd years ago.
 

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thaluikhain said:
I'm with the Orcs, the movie version of the city was a terrible design. Especially the nice flat featureless plain surrounding the place for orcs to mass armies on.

Nobody thought to dig a ditch of put up some pointy sticks? For that matter, nobody tried growing any crops or anything?
There was a wall built for defence on the plains but Denethor's madness/corruption meant that it was in a poor state of repair and under-manned; as well the Pelennor fields were actually farmland in and of themselves. The film skipped a lot of the practical details of life in the various realms, largely focussing on the major cities/encampments.

"Many tall men heavily cloaked stood beside him, and behind them in the mist loomed a wall of stone. Partly ruinous it seemed, but already before the night was passed the sound of hurried labour could be heard: beat of hammers, clink of trowels, and the creak of wheels...Gandalf passed now into the wide land beyond the Rammas Echor. So the men of Gondor called the out-wall that they had built with great labour, after Ithilien fell under the shadow of their enemy. For ten leagues or more it ran from the mountains' feet and back again, enclosing in its fence the fields of the Pelennor: fair and fertile townlands on the long slopes and terraces falling to the deep levels of the Anduin. At its furthest point from the Great Gate of the city, north-eastward, the wall was four leagues distant, and there from a frowning bank it overlooked the long flats beside the river, and men had made it high and strong; for at that point, upon a walled causeway, the road came in from the fords and bridges of Osgiliath and passed through a guarded gate between embattled towers. At its nearest point the wall was little more than one league from the city, and that was south-eastward. There Anduin, going in a wide knee about the hills of Emyn Arnen in South Ithilien, bent sharply west, and the out-wall rose upon its brink; and beneath it lay the quays and landings of the Harlond for craft that came upstream from the southern fiefs.
The townlands were rich, with wide tilth and many orchards, and homesteads there were with oast and garner, fold and byre, and many rills rippling through the green from the highlands down to Anduin."

It goes on to mention the regions of Lossarnach, Lebennin and the fiefdom of Belfalas (Dol Amroth) - areas with which the city itself could draw levies and trade for food (and, again unmentioned in the film, troops).
 

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Superbeast said:
thaluikhain said:
I'm with the Orcs, the movie version of the city was a terrible design. Especially the nice flat featureless plain surrounding the place for orcs to mass armies on.

Nobody thought to dig a ditch of put up some pointy sticks? For that matter, nobody tried growing any crops or anything?
There was a wall built for defence on the plains but Denethor's madness/corruption meant that it was in a poor state of repair and under-manned; as well the Pelennor fields were actually farmland in and of themselves. The film skipped a lot of the practical details of life in the various realms, largely focussing on the major cities/encampments.
Sure, that's why I specified "movie version", Tolkien was very good with that sort of stuff.

The movie had the city in the middle of nowhere...at least when cars are invented they've got a giant carpark waiting for them.