Jusey1 said:
Snotnarok said:
You can play console games on the PC but you cannot play PC games on consoles. You cannot play console games on other consoles... Only time you can play one console games on another is normally something like PS1 on PS2 and PS2 on PS3. Xbox on Xbox 360 too... But they didn't did that for Xbox One or PS4 simply because THE CODING HAS CHANGED FAR TOO MUCH...
Which btw happens with PCs too... With most new PCs today, you need a special program to play oldschool games (FYI: DOSBox). Who to say that Sony and Microsoft wont make an update to the systems to allow them to play older games? *shrugs*... Plus I don't even want a PS4 or Xbox One so this the only "console limiting" I have is Xbox on Xbox 360 and PS1+PS2 on PS2... That's it. (All of my original Xbox games works on the Xbox 360. All of my PS1 games works on the PS2, though I play both on the PC now anyways cause fuck the PS2).
And only hope to play them later on? Are you someone who trade in old consoles or something? Dude seriously... Just keep your old consoles. They'll last for your whole entire lifetime if you aren't reckless with them and take very good care of them... Even dusting or repairing when and if needed.
As for digital downloads... For my Xbox 360, the ONLY digital download that requires an "always online" thing was a poker game, which I got for free (Got the demo to test). Minecraft, Castle Crashers, Rock Band Blitz, and all the DLCs I got do not require internet connection. I can play them freely right now!
There is really nothing wrong Xbox 360/PS3 gen... PS4/Xbox One gen, hell yes. I already have good bit of hate on them. 360/PS3 though? All fine for me with on forced internet crap or anything else like that.
As for advertising stuff... You are talking to someone who is always offline... No ads for me. When I am on, it is just like exploring the internet on Firefox or Internet Explorer really... Just have adverts. Idk how that is DRM related... Oh and about game sharing with Steam? I can do de' same thing with my Xbox and Playstation games so I don't get the argument there.
PS2 does allow mouse and keyboard. Not the Xbox 360 though... Idk about PS3. And I'm someone who do like controllers a lot... I like both controllers and a keyboard+mouse setup. Nothing wrong with either of them... Heck, I love controllers a lot and the idea for them... I mean, it is afterall part of the idea for a console... A game system which you can play on the couch. Can't really play on the computer while on the couch or anything like that... Yes?
As for wireless... You are talking about wifi internet, yes? Not wireless controllers? If so, most newer models of the Xbox 360/PS3 consoles and I think current models of the Xbox One and PS4 have built in wifi... No need for an adapter or anything. Just need to have wifi and your console can connect.
PS2/PS1/Original Xbox wise, no.
As for modding... That's always been a PC specific thing and that is understandable... A PC is more well built for modding and such. As for console modding, there are some forms of console modding which doesn't go against the warranty and cannot get me banned or anything... I do, afterall, have well over 100 Rock Band 3 CUSTOMS on my Xbox 360 and I've had my Skyrim save modded before... So it is possible to mod on the consoles without getting into trouble or breaking the warranty, just saying... Though, like I said, modding is more of a PC specific things for very big reasons... I do agree that is DRM but it is smart DRM.
Anyways... As to sum it all up... Consoles are DRMs, yes... But they are offline ones and made specifically for their services and they do what is on the tin, so to say... That all makes sense.
Steam is purely ONLINE DRM and the things which it can force on you will actually give power to Valve... I mean with my Xbox 360, all Microsoft can do is ban me from Xbox Live and I can just be like "Whatever" and continue playing Skyrim on my Xbox 360... With Steam, if you get banned... You literally are fucked and cannot play any of your games anymore, cause they have that power of you...
Ye' see, my biggest issue with Steam is it gives too much power to Valve. With my Xbox 360, no. I can flat-out say something like "Screw you Microsoft!" and they can't do anything that will ACTUALLY harm me (Since I'm a mostly an offline player. Rarely get online for things). Valve though, if I piss them off... I'm fucked. Which means, if I don't follow Steam's rules when they change for the worse, ye'h... I'm screwed. (And yes, I honestly believe Valve will eventually start changing things for the worse... Power does corrupt).
"The coding has changed too much" isn't an excuse for lack of backward compatibility, you can play PS2 games on a modest gaming system and that uses a very different processor type, you can play Wii games on PC too, AA, 1080p etc. It's just they don't want to pay coders to do it, they'd rather the company re-release it as a HD collection, collect the licensing fee and now everyone is happy. There's no money in backward compatibility for them, well now it is as Sony is making service around it.
You say requires dosbox like it's a thing, it's free and it's not an option around for consoles- Sony's idea of this is to make you pay a monthly fee to play classic games- What? Why? You bought them already. Other consoles don't even have the ability to play older consoles half the time unless you rebuy games in some HD kit, that's my point it's more money spent on a restrictive system that you claim is less open than PC.
Consoles are offline because you choose to have them offline, if you wanted to play a game online well you'd have to do a lot of updating for both the device and the game- and you CAN do the same thing with steam.
You're doing a lot of assumptions for the valve platform that's been around for the lifespan of 3 consoles and has had relatively the same policy that's only gotten more open while consoles have only gotten more closed, linux on PS3? Nooo sorry cant' do that any more it's a 'security compromise'.
No, they don't have that kind of power to ban you from your games, they have the ability to ban you from games on an engine to engine basis....Which is only if you are found to be a cheater. If you are caught cheating in a game using the Unreal 3 engine, you can't play Unreal3 games online, but you can still play them on either non VAC protected servers or single player.
Banning your entire account? When? I hadn't used my steam account in like 4 years and I was able to log in. Origin did that, but then turned it around because of a raging community, so no they really really don't have that power.
Activision just banned a bunch of cheaters on consoles and some were innocent, they will not turn it around and you cannot, in anyway play that game online on that specific console again, you have to rebuy it and all your DLC. Dad and kid casually playing CoD now have to either rebuy their copies and DLC or new consoles, why? Because activision said so.
Valve has the power, which is a good thing to have order over this, EA pulled Crysis 2 from Steam- now I know what you're thinking "See point proven they have too much power" wrong, if you bought the game already you still had full access to it, online features and whatever else, others couldn't buy it as all.
Valve is, at this stage are the guys setting the rules, so others can't abuse the user base or take advantage of things. A game got greenlit and users were saying it lied about features, they removed the game, people who bought it could get a refund.
This isn't about valve for me I really could care less, it's about I know there's someone laying down ground rules who's making sure many other companies don't fuck me with things I've bought. And again you can easily play your games offline, or without steam if you tweak some things.
Consoles have been pushing me away by making cheap hardware expensive, making things restrictive, having things 'on sale' if you're paying a subscription fee on top of it. Xbox one has a new port for it's controllers headset, sony has ditched mini USB and went with a phone USB. Hell WiiU has many defending it, yet if you buy a game digitally for that console? it's LOCKED to that console, so if you trade it into a store for a warranty toward another WiiU your game is LOST, it's hardware locked, same with the 3DS. <= this is shit that makes me avoid consoles because you, do not, in anyway own your digital stuff. PS3 is dropping support for all Grand Turismo 5 DLC so if you don't get it now, you can't get it ever.
I still have my PS3, PS2, PSOne, Saturn, Genesis, SEGA CD, Wii, Gamecube, SNES, PSV, PSP, 3DS, GBASP and they're all fun in their own right, but you telling me digital is restrictive with what console guys are doing is really crazy to me.
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I just want to stress here that I'm not like, this crazy PC moron trying to convert you, I'm just trying to discuss, and if at the end of the day you just prefer it, that's totally cool. I'm just a tech nerd who really does like talking geek way too much. But either way, it's been amusing and I don't want things heated and controllers being thrown, keyboards being smashed, mice being ...minced? :| Whatever, you get the idea.
