Poll: Are relationships a 99/1 kind of thing?

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Something Amyss

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Daystar Clarion said:
It's not a business transaction where you have to give X amount of Y to reach a quota.
But I demand reciprocation! It's unfair! Something something something friend zone.

But seriously: relationships aren't equatable. Relationships are messy and disorganised because they're interactions between two people. It's not a game, not a formula, and it doesn't "work" any specific way. If you want to be with someone, pursue them. It's really weird to complain that someone else isn't taking the reins in your interest.

And maybe she's just not interested.
 

O maestre

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Screw 50/50 women and men are equal but different. Almost 100% of the time they want to be chased they you have to be the instigator. Look at it this way birds and humans are a like in that it is the male who has to court the female. It may seem simplistic and "outdated" but it is true, confidence is key. Why should she follow you because of a tit for tat rule you invented. Attraction isn't bound to any logic far from it. Your friend is right, when you do feeder in a relationship then it becomes 50/50. Dates, calls, payment for food and goods, which makes sense since you are both officially invested in each other.
 

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You're not "stupid" about relationships, but, like so many things in life, when it comes to "I think this is how it should be" vs. "This is how it really is", "this is how it really is" almost always wins.

Likewise, as someone stated earlier, you can't look at a relationship as being business transactions, you can't say "well I asked her out last time, therefore she has to ask me out this time", and keep a running tally of who did what. If you truly want to be with the person and they truly want to be with you, both of ya'll should just be happy to be hanging out with each other, regardless of whom invites whom, and it'll all pan out in the end. If, after a while, you're noticing that they are NEVER asking you to do anything and you're the only one doing any inviting, then yes, I'd question them on it, but you shouldn't come at them with "the ratio of me inviting you to you inviting me is 7:1, and this is unfair".

And yes, I hate to say it, but it sounds like this girl either doesn't want to be with you, or just flat-out used you. Cut your losses and move on.
 

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If you don't have much experience, expect your first few relationships, or pursuits of women, or whatever, not to turn out the way you want. You're feeling things out, and nobody does things well the first time around. So learn from your mistakes.

What you can take from this, is that yes, you should show initiative if you're interested. And show it fast, before she writes you off (consciously or not) as a guy she might want to be with. She probably already did, through no fault of yours, and you weren't on the same wavelength when you told her how you felt about her. Being on the same page is most of what matters!
 

DrOswald

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Yes, relationships should be a collaborative effort. But there is a lot more to relationships than simple give and get. I have only one question: How much of this have you clearly communicated to the girl in question? If you don't tell her what you want out of the relationship and you don't know what she wants out of the relationship then you are doing it wrong. Talk to the girl. Don't talk to your friend. What the hell does he know about what this specific woman is thinking?

Also, while all relationships should be built upon mutual respect and equality it is foolish to think that every specific issue must be evenly split. To give a simple and applicable example, lets assume that this woman is interested in you still. Maybe she likes being pursued. Maybe that makes her feel good about herself so she likes it when you give the invites. In this case, if you really do like her and it makes her happy, maybe it is worth pulling a little extra weight in this area.

Extending the example, she may not realize that the fact she always waits for you to take the initiative has been negatively impacting your side of the relationship. Did you tell her? If you didn't then she had no way of knowing.

Of course, she might just not be interested in you and is trying to let you down nicely. Incidentally, I really don't understand why some people do this. I think it is infinitely more difficult and annoying (not to mention a huge waste of time for all involved) to go through a gradual break up than everyone being upfront about their intentions, but whatever. People do it. In this case you should, again, talk to her and discover her intentions.

Communication is the key to a good relationship. As a general rule if you have a problem in the relationship the solution lies in communications.
 

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Zachary Amaranth said:
But I demand reciprocation! It's unfair! Something something something friend zone.
Ugh, seriously, did this can o' worms have to be opened?

But seriously: relationships aren't equatable. Relationships are messy and disorganised because they're interactions between two people. It's not a game, not a formula, and it doesn't "work" any specific way. If you want to be with someone, pursue them. It's really weird to complain that someone else isn't taking the reins in your interest.
Quite true, it's a complicated thing, and the only thing that can uncomplicate it is communication. Though I do find it odd when people complain about "effort they put" into such stuff, after all, it's their effort to put into anything, and they can redirect it if it's not bringing the results they want...sunk cost fallacy is a really frustrating thing.

And maybe she's just not interested.
It would be easy to get that point across to him. It would take, what, four words?
 

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Daystar Clarion said:
Relationships aren't about giving and taking.

It's about wanting to make the other person happy and feel loved, however, these feelings obviously must be reciprocated for there to even be a relationship.

It's not a business transaction where you have to give X amount of Y to reach a quota.
Why did we not end the thread here?

Keeping track of "concessions" you have made to your partner is a BAD IDEA. Always. You will always think you've made more sacrifices, just like you always think you're the hardest-working guy at your job. It's a relationship, not a budget sheet, spending two hours with your partner instead of going out to a movie with some friends does not entitle you to two hours of their "friend time". Buying them a $400 tablet does not mean they're forced to buy you a PS4.

Are you making your partner happy? (Hopefully, this is a yes)
Does your partner being happy make you happy? (If this isn't a yes, you may want to seek another relationship)
 

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I've been with my wife for ten years now and one of the reason it's worked so well is that it's roughly 50/50. She's weird though, in that our relationship didn't start out based on her helping herself to the contents of my wallet. While people are right, that your friend is right, about the state of the world, you are also right for wanting a relationship based on fairness. Don't listen to anyone else, because they're just trying feel superior to you.
 

Rariow

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There's a difference between the "should" and the "is". It SHOULD be 50/50. In reality, as long as you're not in a relationship, it's most definitely not going be 50/50, since one party's going to be more interested in wooing the other. Even when you are in a relationship, from my limited experience, it isn't usually 50/50 either because, as much as it sucks, and it's changing a lot recently, the male is expected to take the initiative more often than not.
 

DjinnFor

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I once heard it was a biological/evolutionary trait that men tend to be givers and women takers in relationships in all respects except that of sex, where it is inverted.

It takes a lot of resources to settle down and have a baby. All the time spent bedridden, the increased consumption of food, the potential risk of life or health in having a baby, and lastly the time spent raising the child, all add up to a large cost to (usually) the mother. It's tough to be productive in a hunter-gatherer society while you're pregnant. Thus, in ancient times, men tended to provide the resources and women tended to provide the babies, and the human race evolved biological tendencies to enforce that relationship which persist to the modern day.

As a by product, it was argued that men are more likely to feel comfortable with treating relationships as means to have sex, and women are more likely to feel comfortable with treating relationships as a means to get everything else.

Another corollary of this line of thinking is that women unconsciously tend to feel the need to wait until she feels a man is committed before she risks having a baby, even in today's age will all the potential for birth control. Thus, the men tend to have to entreat the women in relationships with signs that they will be committed fathers, while for women the sign that she's into you is her willingness to have sex. This kinda means the men feel the need to perform the initial "bone throwing" and most of the subsequent "bone throwing" until the relationship has been developing long enough for her to be comfortable having sex with you, which is something she's primed to do only when she feels the relationship will be long-term; meanwhile, the women feel no such need throwing any other bone to you other than sex.

This theory can explain the tendency to call women who sleep around sluts, and men who sleep around studs; for the women, she's throwing her biological "commodity" around willy-nilly, while the man is such an amazing guy that girls are throwing their commodities at him left-right-and-center. People are reacting to a biological tendency in them which considers a woman's fertility to be her most coveted resource. It can also explain the larger proportion and cultural acceptance of female homosexuality compared to male homosexuality. Men look to relationships for babies, which they can't get from other men; women look to relationships for resources, which they can get from other women. Similarly, the idea that men feel attracted to women of particular ages but women don't care as much about about age is related to female fertility. Another example is friendzoning.

Whether our brains actually do have the biological tendencies outlined above is open for empirical validation, but I think it makes sense in the context of history and given the examples outlined above. Now I'm not saying that things ought to be this way, or can only be this way. The recent rise of "cougar women", for example, represents a bucking of these biological tendencies. What I am saying is that these tendencies can explain a lot of weird or seemingly illogical facets of relationships in our modern world.
 

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Huh... Sounds to me she's not really interested. That's just the vibe I'm getting from reading your post though.

I've always felt both parties in my previous relationships have put fairly equal effort into it from the start, but I guess it depends on the personalities of people involved. I'm pretty shy at first and not likely to take the initiative, but will become much more involved as I get to know the other person.
 

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Daystar Clarion said:
Relationships aren't about giving and taking.

It's about wanting to make the other person happy and feel loved, however, these feelings obviously must be reciprocated for there to even be a relationship.

It's not a business transaction where you have to give X amount of Y to reach a quota.
This. A million times this. There are no "rules" for relationships. Sure, there are trends, and there are stereotypes, but at the end of the day all you can do is try to be the best person you can be for that other person. That's all there is to it. There's no formula. And yeah, a lot of the time that person isn't going to reciprocate. Life is full of disappointment. But then you wait, and you'll feel that way about someone else in the future, and then you give it your all once more. You just gotta put everything into a relationship, not just enough to reach some arbitrary goal like kissing or sex or even marriage. You just gotta go for it head first.
 

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It all depends.
There's a girl who's probably my best friend at this current point in time.
I've pretty much been in love with her for just about exactly 9 years, and she knows it. (FTR, I moved on and there have been other women in my life in the mean time, so don't get bogged down in that)

She's sort of...damaged..when it comes to having relationships. Her dad left her and her mom when she was 8 and as a result her record for longest relationship is like 4 months with an average of 2 weeks.
As soon as a guy gets close, she runs.

Recently, she and I have started hanging out very very frequently. Like, at an attending funerals and weddings together, and being there for each other in emergencies, etc-level of being each others' "go-to person" for hanging out.
But here's the thing. She is CRAZY super busy. I see her once or twice a week, and that makes me pretty much the only person aside from her mom that she sees outside of work a lot of the time.
She'll occasionally invite me places, but on the whole it's 90% me inviting her.

She knows how I feel about her(despite the fact that me directly mentioning it would probably make her withdraw awkwardly for a few weeks), and she clearly loves spending time with me when she can, but in our system it's kinda just "customary" that I'm the one doing the inviting.
She has so little spare time that I have to claim it if I want it, or else she kinda has to dedicate it to doing something she doesn't normally have time for....like ANYTHING else.
That's just kinda the system in place, and I don't think it occurs to her very often that she could invite me if she doesn't hear from me first.

Similarly, another girl is always the one to call me, and I'm always the one to invite her to do something.
I almost never call her, but when I do it's never her inviting me.

And then there was another woman I was with where it was pretty 50/50.

It all just kinda has to do with whatever the roles are that people fall into.
People establish a pattern and then kind of assume that that's how it works.
People get comfortable in patterns.
 

Treeinthewoods

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A strong, healthy relationship isn't 99/1 or 50/50, it's 100/100. Both parties need to be committed and give it their best to really experience the joy that comes from companionship. If someone truly loves you and gives their best to you shouldn't you do the same? If you love someone and give them your best don't you deserve the same in return? I actually got "100%" engraved inside my wedding ring for that very reason, marriage is not a compromise but a challenge to give your all and honor your spouse every day. Life's big challenges are so much easier when you and the person you love go at them together and both give your best!

Silly example, say there is a big pile of laundry that needs folding and my wife and I are working on it together. If one of us has folded half the laundry and there is still some left that person doesn't stop and say, "I did my half, hurry up!" We work together until it's completely gone.

Of course there come points when one must carry some weight for the other one but it shouldn't be the norm.
 

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BloatedGuppy said:
2. It doesn't sound like that girl likes you very much. I'd cut my losses if I were you.
I'm not much of an expert myself, but I can tell a lost cause when I see one. Maybe your context wasn't elaborated on enough, but you made it seem like she ditched you right after (as in causal relationship) you helped her out with her thesis.

Anyway, good luck with it, whatever you end up doing.
 

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The only rule to relationships is that there are no rules to relationships.

Ever hear the saying "All's fair in love and war"?

If you want to apply your dating procedure to all interactions with members of the opposite sex then by all means go ahead. Just realize that it only takes one party to veto a relationship. Maybe you'll find a significant other who agrees in your "tally" method, so I'm not going to say you'll never find somebody... just applying that standard to all relationships is YOU putting a limit on your dating pool, nobody else.
 
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There is a difference between being in a relationship and courting. In the former everything should be even or balance out over time in the latter one party generally puts in more than the other.